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Black English and a
Bad Saint Bernard

American Spectator, by Ross Kaminsky

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Posted By:StormCnter, 7/2/2013 6:14:47 AM

“A lot of people think Black English is just bad grammar, but that’s like saying that a cocker spaniel is a bad kind of Saint Bernard…” — Columbia University Associate Professor of English John McWhorter It’s true: some people on Twitter criticized last week’s courtroom testimony of Rachel Jeantel, a friend of Trayvon Martin’s who was speaking with Mr. Martin shortly before he died in a fight with George Zimmerman on the evening of February 26, 2012. Most of the criticism was about the content of her testimony and her aggressive behavior when being cross-examined, saying “Yes, sir”

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: provide, 7/2/2013 6:31:15 AM     (No. 9404715)

I´m sure Common Core will correct this short coming.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: mary Ellen, 7/2/2013 6:42:09 AM     (No. 9404728)

What most Americans don´t know is that cursive is not taught in schools anymore. Rachel didn´t say she couldn´t read, she said she couldn´t read cursive. I´ve wondered what would happen if someone was required to read or sign an important document - and now I know. What a pathetic educational system!

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Sfacheem, 7/2/2013 6:50:38 AM     (No. 9404740)

Black English.

Is that like White Hip-Hop?

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Reply 4 - Posted by: SpeedMaster, 7/2/2013 6:55:49 AM     (No. 9404742)

A very good article (must read?) that explores the "low expectation" black culture, which in my mind makes those blacks who buy into it the racists.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: TakeBackAmerica, 7/2/2013 7:20:06 AM     (No. 9404769)

Much of this tragic problem in America--and the Civil War--could have been avoided if James Monroe had succeeded in relocating blacks to Liberia in 1822.



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Reply 6 - Posted by: Kitty Myers, 7/2/2013 7:21:26 AM     (No. 9404772)

#2 Cursive is taught in our school district. My 5th grade grandson learned it this past year.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: steveW, 7/2/2013 7:25:41 AM     (No. 9404779)

Lowering standards for some inevitably lowers them for all. It is part of the ongoing Decline, intentional or not.

Low standards, in every aspect of life, is the necessary prerequisite for socialism, by the way.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: M2, 7/2/2013 7:29:23 AM     (No. 9404785)

Reading this article, it makes me wonder how long it will take for employers to be required to learn "black English" as sensitivity training.

An academic may see Black English as an equally valid language. Most of the rest of society sees it as a ball-and-chain whose wearers have attached it to their own ankles, who come in last in the race of life while asking onlookers to appreciate their eclectic fashion accessory.

How different is that from gays who want to be accepted, validated, appreciated, embraced and respected for their lifestyle, not realizing that you can´t demand these things -- they must be earned. Blacks who choose to continue speaking their patois or whatever it is, relegate themselves to their own culture, then cry racism when no one who can lift them out of their poverty will hire them.

When we moved from the DC area to the mountains of NC ages ago, it was very hard to understand the locals, but we learned because they were speaking English only with a VERY hard accent. Black English´s structure isn´t like that, though. It´s a whole different language, impenetrable by those who are not immersed in it.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Scottyboy, 7/2/2013 7:32:11 AM     (No. 9404786)

Sorry, when I have to deal with an adult that communicates using a mix of terrible grammar and baby talk, I just turn off and assume I´m working with an imbecile.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: pacman333, 7/2/2013 7:37:54 AM     (No. 9404794)

FTA: "An academic may see Black English as an equally valid language. Most of the rest of society sees it as a ball-and-chain whose wearers have attached it to their own ankles, who come in last in the race of life while asking onlookers to appreciate their eclectic fashion accessory."

Actually, the government has attached the ball-and-chain but the wearers willing go along believing the promises of better and more free stuff.

They are all, meaning government and the education system, so deeply invested in this experiment gone wrong that they will never be able to admit failure. So now all we get are excuses, excuses and more excuses.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: lakerman1, 7/2/2013 7:44:56 AM     (No. 9404804)

The Modern Language Association, which is the equivalent of the AMA, for English teachers, not physicians, declared in 1973 that standard English is no better than any other form of English.
The problem with Rachel/Diamond/DeeDee, is that first, she is clearly mentally retarded. Second, she is a game player. (she said that all of those texts to Saint Trayvon were not hers - they were from some of her friends who texted in her name, as a joke.) third, she is a liar.
So I am offended by black professors who claim she was simply speaking another form of English. But was truthful.
Finally, I doubt she can read any kind of writing. I believe she is functionally illiterate, a child who was left behind.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Rinktum, 7/2/2013 7:54:43 AM     (No. 9404814)

I am a huge proponent of teaching cursive writing. Look at the handwriting of people decades ago and it is beautiful. There is real pride and accomplishment there. Today, like everything else, handwriting is sloppy and practically unreadable. I guess I am old fashioned but it is a joy to see beautiful cursive. I appreciate the effort. Just like I appreciate the effort people make who dress up for church and special occasions. I remember times when people were polite, civil, and actually wore real hats. The language was G-rated and you didn´t hear profanity being spoken by men much less women and never by children. People were civil and manners meant something. Our society today suffers because of its loss and I miss it.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: jinx, 7/2/2013 7:57:55 AM     (No. 9404822)

She may just be a victim of our feel good society whereby no one is allowed to fail. She should not have been allowed to pass until she could read. I don´t think she can read much. This has nothing to do with cursive or a "language" barrier. Also, she and Travon ran with the same crowd of illiterate thugs. Stop giving them excuses for bad behavior.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: The Architect, 7/2/2013 8:03:22 AM     (No. 9404827)

Lets call it what it is. McWorter couldn´t be more wrong. It is not a separate language. It is a dumbed down excuse for innorance and laziness.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Bevan, 7/2/2013 8:03:58 AM     (No. 9404829)

I´ll believe its a separate language when the NY Times has a daily ebonics crossword puzzle.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 7/2/2013 8:16:44 AM     (No. 9404852)

"English" has rules of grammar. Black-English (aka ghetto rap) has none.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: BuckeyeRon, 7/2/2013 8:18:09 AM     (No. 9404854)

This 19 year old is Haitian and Dominican, raised in the South, and speaks three languages – Hatian Creole, Spanish and English…to say her language pattern is the common pattern among Blacks is insane…she would have been better off having a translator for clarity, as did the Columbian woman who followed her on the stand…

As with most opinion pieces, I spend a little time getting a snippet of their background, particularly if they begin an article quoting a homosexual communist author like James Baldwin, who was promoted by the homosexual communist literati of his day, but amounted to little more than a combination of Tyler Perry and Al Sharpton of this era.


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Reply 18 - Posted by: doctorfixit, 7/2/2013 8:19:50 AM     (No. 9404857)

Black English is a language of self-segregation. Its limited vocabulary reflects the lack of need for complex thought, nuance, or tone. For an educational experience in the Baltimore dialect, watch The Wire TV program.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: southernboy, 7/2/2013 8:22:18 AM     (No. 9404861)

When she used the word ‘cursive,’ and apparently knew what it meant, I suspect, at the very least, some tutoring has taken place.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: franq, 7/2/2013 8:25:27 AM     (No. 9404870)

Excuse me, stewardess. I speak jive.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Sanspeur, 7/2/2013 8:27:55 AM     (No. 9404874)

Ebonics part deux.. Just more "folks" buying it now..

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Reply 22 - Posted by: MDConservative, 7/2/2013 8:29:33 AM     (No. 9404878)

Exactly, #18. It´s time to call "black communities" what they are - Self-segregation communities. Maryland supports public universities that are perhaps the last bastions of sanctioned segregation. What happens when black racism is confronted with diversity? They´re called "historically black colleges." In that vein, how wrong was George Wallace in the schoolhouse door?

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Reply 23 - Posted by: PoliticalJunky, 7/2/2013 8:33:44 AM     (No. 9404888)

What a shame that people refuse learning, the key to getting out of the slums. It is partly to maintain good standing among their peers. It is partly just plain laziness. They would never do what my granddaughter did this past year. She often studied until midnight, set her alarm clock for 12:35, woke up and studied some more. She aspires to be a CPA.

I remember being in an apartment pool in GA. All the white kids could swim. One black girl, about 15 could not. A white girl asked her "why don´t you learn to swim?" The answer: "Too much trouble."

Nothing was too much trouble for Dr. Carson. May his tribe increase.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Arby, 7/2/2013 8:47:25 AM     (No. 9404904)

Two points. We all speak multiple languages, speaking differently to our friends than our mothers. Many of us even speak semi-private languages, e.g., folks in the military. However, we also have to be able to speak standard English in order to succeed, command respect, and, simply, communicate. The need to speak standard English (increasingly, the global language) is exacerbated and magnified in an information economy. Academics may celebrate aspects of Black English, but they frequently overlook the public, professional importance of standard English, seeing the latter as somehow racist. The inability to speak and write standard English ultimately condemns a person to second-class citizenship and, usually, poverty.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Felixcat, 7/2/2013 9:01:38 AM     (No. 9404922)

And so the Balkanization of America continues. I have worked with black African immigrants who spoke excellent American English.

As my late mother use to say: How come the English can teach their blacks to speak good English but not us Americans?

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Reply 26 - Posted by: controlfreak, 7/2/2013 9:02:10 AM     (No. 9404925)

Many years ago I taught English in a semi-rural high school. My black students did not speak Black English nor did they speak ebonics. Maybe they did so in their neighborhoods, but never when they were in my classroom. I agree that this is the dumbing down of our educational system. Either that, or just pure laziness.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Hobbiest, 7/2/2013 9:07:00 AM     (No. 9404933)

Interesting article. Those who speak Black English also seem to have acquired a screw you attitude that those who only speak Spanish seldom have. This attitude is also common among youth in the white underclass.

The inability to take instruction or feedback without acting as if you are being insulted is also a huge brake on employment prospects.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: krause, 7/2/2013 9:14:32 AM     (No. 9404947)

If you eschew a proper education, including learning proper English, you must learn to live with the consequences, which will mean very little prosperity, and a bit of scorn. And black leaders defend this ´black English!´ Is it any wonder the condition of the black community? You can only assume this is the way they want it. Uneducated people are easy to manipulate and control.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Hugh Akston, 7/2/2013 9:15:59 AM     (No. 9404951)

Sometime in the neat future when you call your Obamacare customer service rep on the phone to try and resolve/plead your case you will undoubtedly encounter plenty of people who/whom you can´t for the life of you figure out what they are saying, and speaking to their supervisor probably won´t be much better.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: maryc, 7/2/2013 9:20:42 AM     (No. 9404965)

Bad Saint Bernard is an oxymoron.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: TakeBackAmerica, 7/2/2013 9:25:08 AM     (No. 9404974)

It was bad enough twice electing this arrogant Marxist who may not have been eligible to serve as president, he has since fostered an insidious backwash of racial antagonism.

Net effect? Destruction of our once great republic.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: jimmiet, 7/2/2013 9:32:11 AM     (No. 9404987)

Why is that academics (read liberals) make excuses for our Black citizens that they do not offer for Asian or Hispanic groups. 2nd generation immigrants assimilate to the point 3rd generations often do not speak the language of their grandparents.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: bigfatslob, 7/2/2013 9:41:52 AM     (No. 9405009)

This is garbage and John McWhorter thinks he has the answer when all it is an illiterate dumb down tribal thing to reject learning the English language therefore isolating themselves from society. The girl friend of Martin is just plain illiterate and probably can´t speak any other language any better.
Will I see Hollywood produce movies with actors speaking English then put subtitles in Black English so the ignorants in the audience can understand the dialog on screen.
Watch The First 48 and the interrogations have subtitles to understand the jumbled language the blacks are mumbling.
I´m not buying the Black English thing as a substitute for lazy ignorants not being educated.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: Adam, 7/2/2013 9:43:56 AM     (No. 9405014)

oh not this idiocy AGAIN! Back in the 70´s you had this push for something called "Black American English" which sought to codify Super Fly Jive Ass talking as some sort of linguistic discipline. Guess who was behind it? Morbidly guilty white "intellectuals" and black race hustlers who saw in it a quick buck. And to be fair, the leading opponents were black teachers who saw in it more ghettoization of black people. It came back in the 90´s as ebonics. Guess they felt they could sell it better if it had an exotic name. Same cast of losers pushing it. And now, THIS. You know what I have about "progressives" (well, one of many things I hate about "progressives") all their ideas are SO OLD FASHIONED. They are by definition NEVER progressive. They are always reactionary.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: Immanuel Goldstein, 7/2/2013 9:46:22 AM     (No. 9405019)

I doubt that Jabba the Teenager could speak any language very well. Functionally illiterate,even within the black community she can probably barely hold her own. And bristling with hostility in the court room doesn´t help the late great Travon Marten get his justice. But boy does she expose the underside of black teenaged life, at least within certain communities in Florida.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: jhpeters2, 7/2/2013 9:53:28 AM     (No. 9405036)

Ms Jentell´s testimony reminded me of one of the worst movies ever released in this century. Besides a simple plot it was a train wreck of bad direction/editing/acting etc. But, it did have a promisingly funny idea - make a hero out of a incomphrehensible black man speaking in a patois that no one could possibly understand - sort of a Chauncey Gardiner, who was an inner city black. The movie was called Pootie Tang. After watching just a few minutes of that drivel you will see that blacks do enjoy trying to get one past whitey. And it has nothing to do with their "culture".

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Reply 37 - Posted by: Coy860, 7/2/2013 9:56:49 AM     (No. 9405041)

No excuse for ebonics except stupidity and stubborn refusal to assimilate.
And lest we forget, "press one for English" encourages yet another group to not speak proper English.
Time to do away with ballots in 46 languages, "press one" and every other bit of tolerance for those who would destroy the culture of AMERICA.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: gerty, 7/2/2013 10:22:22 AM     (No. 9405078)

I must be the only one who found reading this article a chore!

For all of the author´s knowledge of communication skills, someone forgot to teach him about the perils of ´run-on sentences´!

Good content; bad presentation!

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Reply 39 - Posted by: Chuzzles, 7/2/2013 10:32:01 AM     (No. 9405092)

The author and most of the comments here missed one thing. Most black youth do not learn decent English because to do so they are then accused of trying to be ´white´. It is some kind of sin in the ghetto community to speak well.

The actor Will Smith actually discussed this subject once in an interview. Blacks who speak well are disrespected by their peers.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: Dignitary Protection, 7/2/2013 10:34:28 AM     (No. 9405099)

Thank you #20 for the Barbara Billingsley reference. It made me laugh.

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Reply 41 - Posted by: RancherJack, 7/2/2013 10:47:55 AM     (No. 9405143)

Two cultures that don´t understand each other ...

What blather. I understand it 100%. Read a headline, get a clue, go downtown, it ain´t rocket surgery.

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Reply 42 - Posted by: Me?Opinionated?Nah!, 7/2/2013 10:54:38 AM     (No. 9405160)

What to say? What to say!

Black People [3 syllables]

The African-American Community [12 syllables]

The Negro College Fund [6 syllables]

The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People [19 syllables]

People of Color [5 syllables]

No wonder communicating is such a headache. By the time you figure out what’s appropriate for the situation, you’ve probably lost your train of thought.


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Reply 43 - Posted by: rock n robin, 7/2/2013 11:23:12 AM     (No. 9405219)

This article mischaracterizes John McWhorter. He is a superb teacher. If you have any serious interest in language, I recommend you listen to his lectures on language from the Teaching Company. As I recall, he is also a "conservative,"--as Ross Kaminsky points out near the end of his article.
Yes, he does argue that Black English is functionally a language. And he gives some rather good examples to prove his point.
What he doesn´t say is that a functionally illiterate,culturally-degenerate,incoherent, slovenly "woman," who can barely speak ANY language adequately represents those who speak "Black English." I´m sure most of us have experienced plenty of speakers of "standard English" who are just as inarticulate, and probably can´t read cursive; And understand that they don´t represent the class of "White English" speakers.
Furthermore, I don´t believe McWhorter ever argues that speakers of Black English need not be fluent in Standard English.


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Reply 44 - Posted by: smcchk, 7/2/2013 11:35:20 AM     (No. 9405243)

Cut all welfare benefits to any able-bodied person and this underclass would be straightened out within a month. They would even know how to speak regular English. If you don´t work, you don´t eat reality would clear and sharpen many minds. There is a permanent underclass because we pay them to stay there!

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Reply 45 - Posted by: bighambone, 7/2/2013 11:46:59 AM     (No. 9405271)

How would you like to wake up having a dire medical condition in a hospital and see that a Rachel was your nurse? With Obamacare that will probably happen to lot of people who don´t have the money to join what will be an exclusive private first class medical care delivery system for the rich, the famous, and the political class. Any trepidations that you may have will be defined as "profiling" and with some such nurses will be reason enough to pull the plug. Good luck!

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Reply 46 - Posted by: VIIIXV, 7/2/2013 11:47:51 AM     (No. 9405276)

Modern ´Black´ Family
Episode: The Trayvon Martin Trial

Prosecutor: "Now Miss Jeantel, while you were on the phone with Trayvon, did he tell you where he was when he first spotted Mr. Zimmerman?

Ms. Jeantel: (camera pans in to capture her confused look, as if she were just asked to find the center of gravity of a pencil). "No. Trayvon, no, Skittles, right to be there"

Prosecutor: "Yes, Trayvon had Skittles, and a right to be there, but did he give any indication of his first encounter with Mr. Zimmerman"?

Ms. Jeantel: "Wearing a hoodie, daddy´s house, stalk sidewalk, no u dn´t.

Prosecuotr: "I´d like to buy a vowel"

Ms. Jeantel: "NO SIR. He bought Skittles...and a tea...and he looks 12 in the picchure"

Prosecutor: "Ms. Jeantel, let´s move on to the letter you wrote, would you read it for the court please?"

Ms. Jeantel: (again, camera pans in, confusion abounds).

Prosecutor: "Ms. Jeantel, did you understand my question"?

Ms. Jeantel: "YES SIR"

Prosecutor: "Ok then"

Ms. Jeantel: "Cursive, curses, no cure, can u clue?"

Prosecutor: (camera shows him winking at Mr. Zimmerman) "No Ms. Jeantel, that is all, thank you for your testimony"

Enter talking heads to defend Rachel, exhibiting their soft bigotry of low expectations.

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Reply 47 - Posted by: cheeflo, 7/2/2013 12:37:08 PM     (No. 9405375)

#2 -- I work in the graphic arts industry and develop point-of-sale retail signage for a major garment manufacturer. For the women´s line, a cursive-style script font was used for some key words on the signage. One of our retailers, who liked the design, commented that his school-age daughter would not be able to read the script because it was cursive.

Hilarious, #20. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=190iqepL-G4

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Reply 48 - Posted by: cheeflo, 7/2/2013 12:51:13 PM     (No. 9405412)

#43 -- Agreed. McWhorter is an intelligent and learned man. But he does not identify as a conservative; he characterizes himself as a "cranky liberal Democrat." He voted for Obama and supports gay marriage. On the other hand, he does not embrace civil rights orthodoxy across the board. He has worked for the conservative Manhattan Institute and writes for the City Journal. Whether you agree with him or not, he seems to be a man who thinks for himself.



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Reply 49 - Posted by: cheeflo, 7/2/2013 12:52:50 PM     (No. 9405418)

#43 -- re: my prior comment -- "you," in a rhetorical sense, of course.

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Reply 50 - Posted by: nevernaught, 7/2/2013 1:01:39 PM     (No. 9405436)

A relative of ours sent her three children to out of district schools because local ones weren´t teaching cursive and other subjects she thought were important. She drove them to and from school each day, piling up the mileage.

If I remember right, they were teaching all letters in the first or second grade when I grew up (of course that was decades and decades ago).

USPS reads all of your envelopes whether they are cursive or not. I suppose other shippers do the same. The good deal about all of this is that if Postal workers open your hand written mail, they won´t be able to read the text.

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Reply 51 - Posted by: Tallgrass Palms, 7/2/2013 1:36:51 PM     (No. 9405495)

This article is pure BS. She doesn´t want to sound "white"? Yeah, sure, she couldn´t sound white if she wanted to. She doesn´t want to sound educated. I don´t mind ignorant people, it just bothers me when they are proud of it.

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Reply 52 - Posted by: Connor, 7/2/2013 1:46:49 PM     (No. 9405506)



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Reply 53 - Posted by: Rafter, 7/2/2013 1:49:23 PM     (No. 9405512)

Many blacks be clean and articulate...

They even be willing to open an inner city franchise location called... We "B" Toyz...

They inspired no doubt by outstanding success of dey role model...
The TAARP Baby...

We be so happy... we could jes´ &@$*%!
Don´t worry!
"B" happy!



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Reply 54 - Posted by: Connor, 7/2/2013 1:50:57 PM     (No. 9405516)

I learned years ago if I call a big company and somebody answers in any foreign dialect or black lingo, I hang up. Call back later and hopefully get a coherent person. That is a hassle too, I know.

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Reply 55 - Posted by: Skyliner, 7/2/2013 1:52:11 PM     (No. 9405518)

Best take on it Bevan #15.

Heh heh.

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Reply 56 - Posted by: Muncssister, 7/2/2013 3:25:09 PM     (No. 9405671)

Cursive is still taught here in NC in the second grade-- our new governor just signed a law requiring it. Let´s hope common core doesn´t challenge that.

I actually wrote two thank you notes today in full cursive just for fun since it has been in the news. I haven´t used true cursive since I was in elementary school in the 90´s. I hate to admit it, but my experiment was exhausting. I felt like I was in Downton; it took forever, I had to google the letter "I", and my right hand may never recover. But I´m proud I can still do it and am grateful to have learned it. The concentration involved in learning it was surely essential to my education. It´s a shame so many districts have done away with it.

Posted from my iPhone, please pardon any typos. (Oh, the irony!)

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Reply 57 - Posted by: lana720, 7/2/2013 4:07:05 PM     (No. 9405736)

Listen, I ran across a musician in a jazz club several years ago and I could have sworn he was Barbadian from his slight Brit accent.
Between sets, we spoke and I asked him where he was from. He responded with a small town in Mississippi. My jaw dropped and he offered, "My mother said we didn´t have to sound like that!"

As for writing, Cursive develops parts of the brain just like crawling in a baby develops parts that will help him to read well later on. Laziness in any form begets the same, laziness and slovenly behavior.

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Reply 58 - Posted by: SaguaroJack, 7/2/2013 5:03:19 PM     (No. 9405810)

I´ve no sympathy for this goofy woman who can´t read cursive, but neither will I dismiss anything John McWhorter says. He is a black professor who has spent his professional life fighting against affirmative action. His specialty is linguistics - not the same as languages - and he really does know what he´s talking about. There really is grammar and structure to the creole this silly girl uses. It´s very different from what we´re used to, and it´s no excuse for not knowing standard English.

McWhorter does have valuable expertise to offer here, but clearly many readers have no acquaintance with him. He´s one of the good guys, people, and he´s offering you an insight into something you know nothing about. Learn from him rather than dismiss him; you´re doing with him precisely what you´re condemning Jeantel for.

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Reply 59 - Posted by: MDMuskrat, 7/2/2013 6:30:41 PM     (No. 9405923)

FTA: "Or as Stacy Swimp of the black conservative organization Project 21 put it, ´Ms. Jeantel’s demeanor and language during her court testimony were “a clear manifestation of the cultural perversions that are normalized throughout many of our urban communities.´ [Amazing what a course in Sociology will do to your ability to communicate clearly. s/]

"Ms. Swimp offers a constructive suggestion: “I pray many of my conservative peers will be motivated by what I saw, to go and sign up to be mentors to young girls like Ms. Jeantel, to help them grow in literacy and personal dignity.”

Better still, if you´re inclined to mentor, spend your time on someone who´s worth it; don´t waste it on someone who thinks that learning to swim is "Too much trouble." [Thanx #23, good post.]

#38 Thank you. I thought it was me.

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Reply 60 - Posted by: jerrodmason, 7/2/2013 6:41:34 PM     (No. 9405949)

Amen, #58. I´ve learned a lot from McWhorter´s classes at The Teaching Company. FWIW, his quote only says that Black English is a "language" with a definable syntax; he´s not passing judgment on its value.

PS I live across from Saguaro National Park East. Near #58 perhaps?

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Reply 61 - Posted by: wsdiego, 7/2/2013 6:48:47 PM     (No. 9405957)

Socialism brings every thing to the lowest common denominator, every thing!

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Reply 62 - Posted by: Tianne, 7/2/2013 9:13:41 PM     (No. 9406160)

Black English is not a language. It has no structure, no form. It has no rules, no universality. It cannot be taught, it cannot be learned by instruction.

Again, Black English is not a language. It is a lazy and clumsy means of peripheral communicating.

Those who defend this bastardization of the English language leave themselves open to large measures of disdain and scorn.


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Reply 63 - Posted by: Ronaldus Magnus, 7/2/2013 9:36:24 PM     (No. 9406188)

A few years ago the Oakland, CA schools tried to get Ebonics classified as an official dialect, thereby empowering the ´Ebonics´ teachers with the Bilingual classification. It was not ´for the children.´ With tbe Bilingual title, the jive-talking teachers would receive an extra $5,000 a year stipend. ´Ebonic´ speaking black kids were funneled into bilingual classrooms, where only Spanish was spoken. Liberalism is a mental disease, and a cancer on America.

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Reply 64 - Posted by: M Stuart, 7/2/2013 11:19:27 PM     (No. 9406310)

#17 The annoying Santita Jackson brought Ms. Jeantel´s superior linguistic ability to our attention. I don´t believe it...SIR.


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Reply 65 - Posted by: Tianne, 7/2/2013 11:53:51 PM     (No. 9406345)

Sorry for 2nd post but had to recognize the sad but true (and very funny) parody of #46.

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Reply 66 - Posted by: KTWO, 7/3/2013 12:25:44 AM     (No. 9406374)

Think of a language as a tool Tools are used to ease some task.

We do not say pliers are bad, a saw is good, and a paint brush is best of all. But we would agree that each of those can be useful.

The Aztecs could not clearly discuss the details of the guns the Spanish used. But their language was adequate for war before that.

Jeantel´s language is an adequate tool for how she lives. To greatly change her life that language would not be the most useful tool.



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