Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) may have voted against the Senate’s “Gang of Eight” immigration reform bill last week, but he seemingly does not count himself among the conservative critics of the bill who oppose any and all forms of “amnesty” for illegal immigrants currently living inside the United States. In an interview with WNDtv, Sen. Paul took on the critics of so-called “amnesty” who oppose efforts to “normalize” illegal immigrants and absorb them into the United States. “Let’s get them work visas, let’s normalize them, let’s make them taxpayers,” he said of the 11 million undocumented immigrants
Comments: We have to begin with getting them registered, an ID card so everyone is in a database. Then we can sort out the various categories of visas, illegals, anchor babies, and put together a program to handle the problem. Citizenship can´t even be a factor, because illegals shouldn´t be given special paths. They can apply just like anyone else, but not with special consideration.
Paul´s dreaming if he thinks these people want to become normalized,let alone start paying taxes.The whole idea of being an illegal is to work the cracks in the system.All they really want is to not worry about getting deported and that´s what amnesty would do.
The concept that these people will be "taxpayers" is laughable. Most, unwilling to speak English, will join the ever expanding 47% who don´t pay taxes. Many will actually make money off the Federal tax system with Earned Income Tax Credits. Add in welfare, food stamps, Obamacare, and other programs - they will become net-negative, non-assimilated residents.
Yes, Rand, there are tons of them who live here and send their money back to their families. Maybe you should talk to them and not to some staff member. Or to those farmers who say no American will do the work. Of course, employers have to pay taxes on them. And Workman´s Comp, state taxes, vacation pay and.... That´s where the staggering cost comes in. And unemployment. That´s the money to pay your salaries, Rand, and free haircuts and lunches and junkets and trips and "Cadillac" healthcare and.... I have a single employee whose taxes, etc cost one third of her gross salary. When the illegals become legal, the cost of everything else will skyrocket, too because the cost of paying them will almost double, instantly. What then?
Some illegals will honestly tell you they have no intention of staying here. If you offer them the opportunity for government benefits, they´ll take them, though.
They send billions of dollars home weekly. Last Guatemalan I talked to he showed me the photos of his wife and four sons who will also be moving here. Do you think about that one? Are you going to only give him citizenship? So multiply your woefully low number of 11 million by another five or so, they´ll be right here too. You mean 55 million. Likely lots more of them.
Or they will continue to send those billions out of our economy. And leave when they get tired of "picking crops" like one fellow we knew did. He was saving up enough to buy a house back home.
These people don´t actually address what is happening. Sorry to know that Rand Paul is one of them.
If one looks at how much money Wal-Mart is processing in money orders being sent to Mexico and Latin America, it would quickly become apparent that illegals see US employment as a temporary way to earn money to raise their standard of living in their home country.
They have no interest in becoming US citizens as paying taxes and fees would cut into their bottom line.
My son was in an evening class with what MA calls undocumented workers (sane people call them illegal immigrants). They had nothing but contempt for the students who were working and paying their way through college. They considered their lifestyle and intellect far superior to the idiot American citizen. With that attitude, do any of us think this is going to end well? And only a select group (the idiot dem voter)thinks this is in any way altruistic of our politicians.
So, if we could tax bank robbers we could give them amnesty and normalize them. Or if we could tax the drug dealers, we could normalize them. Oh, if only there was a way to normalize drunk drivers! We could make a fortune off them.
No sir. It is not about normalizing anything. It´s about lawbreakers getting blanket pardons in the millions
#7 is all over it!Also build a border down South. i don´t care if its a fence..a wall...a moat (the Hawaiian suggested that I think)....poison ivy...solar powered electric fence..just do it. Throw the visa overstayers out. How can Fed Ex track hundreds of millions of packages a day in real time, and we can´t find people who overstay their visa. Its ridiculous! NONE OF THE ELITES (D/R/OR I) WANT TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM! Ask yourself why.
Those who have read my posts know that I totally agree with OP on this. However, the ID must apply to everyone. Otherwise, how do you know to ask for ID without profiling? I know this makes some (including me to some extent) uncomfortable, but I´m yet to hear a specific viable alternative. If you look into the details of e-Verify at www.uscis.gov/e-verify (and Bush´s Real ID law to a lesser extent), they are effectively a national ID. Your Social Security card is a defacto national ID with no safeguards and blatant abuse. Time to formalize this and add some Constitutional safeguards for citizens and stiff penalties for abusers.
As to Rand Paul´s take: I don´t think we owe these scofflaws or their children anything. They can remain in the "shadows" of Home Depot in perpetuity, as far as our "obligation" is to them. As to their children: there are many children throughout the world who are born into unfortunate circumstances through no fault of their own. They are their parents´ responsibility. Helping them is charity, not duty. In that respect I´m a bit of a Darwinist. Furthermore, I disagree with SCOTUS´ "anchor baby" interpretation of the 14th Amendment.
“Let’s get them work visas, let’s normalize them, let’s make them taxpayers.”
Then let´s begin with registration involving real documentation. And let´s see their tax papers, and audit any employer to ensure local, states and Feds got what was coming. Let´s also find out whose SocSec accounts were effectively hacked, and make those right with reparations to the victim -at least repayment for any expenses incurred.
´´And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand[palm print?] or on their forehead [retina scan?], and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.´´
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rod reese, 7/2/2013 11:35:27 AM (No. 9405244)
Concentration camps works for me. Here in Houston Texas we are overrun with illegal aliens. My wife is an immigrant from Portugal, we hired an attorney, did everything properly and now she is here. Illegal aliens prefer not to wait so they just break in. No citizenship. Saying there is no solution is not a solution.
No Rand, send as many home as we possilby can and prevent them from coming back and new ones from coming in. We we get them alll? No. we we get most of them probably. When they got here and how long they´ve been here is of no consequence.
No, Rand, I prefer they be rounded up and dropped on the Mexican side of the border. NOT the US / Mexico border, mind you, but the border between Mexico and guatemala!!! Let them walk the distance twice if they are so determined to return after being kicked out!!! And then repeat the process for however many times it takes for them to get the message that they aren´t welcome without standing in line first like other LEGAL immigrants.
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