Today I rescind all association with the Republican Party. I will no longer allow my vote to be taken for granted by an entity whose interests have diverged so far from my own over the past quarter-century. I will never again vote for a Republican candidate simply because he or she is less evil than his or her Democratic counterpart. I´m tired of compromising my principles to support a party that has none. Don´t try to feed me the line that "I´m just playing
I believe a large number of conservatives followed that line of thinking in the last election. I wonder how many would have to do it before it would make a difference? I spend a lot of time wondering if ANYTHING will make a difference.
Someone is a closet L Dotter. Many of the phrases and ideas he uses were posted in this hallowed forum just last year in our discussions during the primaries. Good. Maybe someone really is listening (besides the NSA).
This article very succinctly expresses my frustrations and future intentions regarding the Republican Party.
One perfect statement FTA:
"We often criticize black voters for their undying allegiance to the Democratic Party, which has operated counter to their interests for decades. By giving the same measure of allegiance to the Republican Party, we conservatives are no better. It´s like battered wife syndrome: they promise us they won´t do it again, and we keep supporting them and coming back for more."
From beginning to end I agree fully. I´m not voting in the next elections until a third party is formed. Supreme court judges run the country, we don´t need congress or the president. Judges can overturn elections and the will of the people. The nation is broken. I´m am going to say that one person will get me off my couch/recliner to vote...Ted Cruz.
There are major parties. Have I mentioned that before? A splinter protest party doesn´t have a snowball´s chance. If you don´t vote for the major party which most nearly reprrseents your views, the other party will win.
Eschew nuttiness. Forego idiocy. Beware of people who won´t vote fot this or that. Forget Rino attacks. Welcome anyone who will oppose the evil Democrats.
"If your don´t vote for the Republican, you are helping the Democrat!" That sort of stupid thought got us to the desperate place we are today. I will never (and I do mean NEVER) vote for a Bush-Dole-McCain-Romney Republican.
Never again will I vote for the lesser of two evils.
I came to the very same conclusion just last night. The RNC sent me a fund raising letter that asked if I had given up because they haven´t received any donations lately? I´m mailing the response today --- YES!
All too often Republican leadership has said, "We have to do X in order to be in a position to do Y." The problem is X gets done, but they never get around to Y. Republican politicians need to start living by the first part of the Hippocratic Oath, "First, do no harm."
I´m starting this year. I REFUSE to vote for the traitor Christie who appointed Chiesa for a mere 6 months and allowed a special election at a cost of $24 million. Chiesa´s first vote was for the immigration bill.
Dream members of the new "America" Party. Cruz, West, Carson, Palin, Lee, Paul, Bachmann are a great start. Feel free to add to the list!
I plan to visit my representative´s local office personally to tell him I will not support him in 2014 if he votes for immigration. I don´t care what bill they come up with. Table the discussion, period!
Clearly the Republicans have currently shown little interest in promoting the values of Conservatives. Hence this Conservative will show little interest in further supporting Republicans. The ideological demarcation line separating a D from an R has become gray, fuzzy and rapidly fading. I see little chance of it becoming clearer.
My my but aren´t the babies who want to take their marbles and go home out in force today.
Get real. This a two party system. The only legitimate choices are to change one party from within or to opt completely out of participation in politics. Third party support is almost the same as opting out. Those who decide not to participate have no standing to complain.
In 2007, the last time John McCain pushed amnesty, I left the GOP to become an independent.
Getting out of any relationship where one is not respected is a healthy move. The GOP is so obsessed with getting Hispanic votes in the future, it no longer respects its own conservative base today. But there is a remedy.
Walk out of the one sided relationship. One can always go back to the GOP, but for now it needs to be pressured. As an independent, I still vote for the GOP ticket. But it can´t take me for granted.
Bill Clinton became president because Ross Perot split the Republican vote. Obama won a second term because all those who thought Romney wasn´t conservative enough sat out the election. Just exactly how stupid are you people? You cant change anything until you win. You cant win by staying home. Why do you complain about Obama when you elected him by not voting. You lost the election. Thats why you are called losers.
I took this oath after the 2000 election. Nothing will change if we all fall in line with the latest RINO selection. The Dem´s, GOP elites and the press will do what they can to defeat any true conservative before the voting begins. We´re eager to take Culter´s or Rove´s choice. We fall for the, you don´t vote for our guy is like voting for the enemy.
Yes, blame everything on those who "sat out the last election". But it didn´t HAVE to be that way. The smartyboots "mainstream" Republicans were warned that that would happen, but they just had to have things THEIR way. They insisted on playing chicken with their base, and now they snarl and snivel because they got exactly what was promised. When did they ever face having THEIR resolution beaten down and bullied into compliance? Never! They were hell-bent on having Romney, and they just blurred the consequences to themselves. I guess they figured that their fellow party-members could be bought or bullied into submission. Well, the smart set wasn´t so smart after all. But they´re still too high and mighty to tolerate playing second fiddle to those right-wing nobodies who played it straight, so they want everyone to pretend that their plans weren´t stupid and that they really were entitled to win after all.
It is because of people such as #25 that I am now a member of the Constitution Party. The GOP is full of 25s. I reckon they want to get rid of Conservatives to make room for more middle of the road, fence walking, lessor of 2 evils, RINO, low-moral, non principled voters. Ya all keep losing elections but you won me over to the Constitutional Party. Thank you.
So because of the Republicans who voted for the bill, you are giving up on the rest of them who didn´t? The Republicans who didn´t vote for this need all of our help but that´s right - you´re going to show them by quitting the party? That´ll show them! The only thing it will show them is that when it gets tough, you quit.
Who is the bigger fool? The wife who leaves an abusive relationship because she is tired of being beaten up, spat upon and treated like dirt, or the one who stays because at least she has a house and some measure of financial security? Its an individual choice based on personal values and priorities. Some think its worth it to stay, some think it isn´t. I have been an indy for a year now.
"The Republicans who didn´t vote for this need all of our help..."
Help to do what? Lose in comfort? Losing is losing, no matter how big or small the number of people patting you on the back in consolation. Face it, sometimes a plane goes into a dive that it can´t recover from. That´s where the Republican Party is now.
I never thought that I´d say it, never, but yeah, I´m out, at least as far as presidential politics go. The Ruling Class Republicans can shove their party. Besides, they make out just fine no matter who is in there. We don´t.
The only difference between GOP and Dems, False hope vs. No hope. Ted Cruz, Trey Gowdy, Sarah Palin and the few other courageous repubs only get the hopes of conservatives kicked in by the likes of Rubio and McCain. America has been a once in forever but now it too is gone.
Amen Marcus. I´m tired of voting for candidates who reject the majority of what I believe. If they´re afraid to embrace conservatism when they´re running, they will abandon conservatism if/when they win.
Me too. I´m done. Didn´t vote for my guy Romney? I will never vote your choice either. I live in one of the reddest of red states. I´ll be fine. It´s so much more fun carping on the sidelines anyway. Besides, think of all the money I´ll save when I no longer max out on campaign contributions.
The writer and most of the posters here seem to overlook one key thing when complaining about recent GOP presidential nominees. And that is, WE ARE CONSTRAINED BY WHO DECIDES TO RUN.
Sorry for the cybershouting, but please, get real. No one forced any nominee down anyone´s throat. McCain and Romney were not the products of some furtive RINO conspiracy at the RNC. They were just the two left standing after all the unelectable niche players and not-ready-for-prime-time bunglers fell out. What is the GOP as a party supposed to do about that? Force somebody to run? Create a perfect virtual candidate on a computer?
So stop feeling sorry for yourselves. Support worthy conservative candidates where you can, but understand that the world does not revolve around any of us and we´ve got to make the best of what is available. We can hope for a better group of aspirants next time around, but in the end (IMO) we all have a duty to perform.
Thank you, #40, #41, #42, and #43. I´m deeply sick of all the paranoid conspiracy theories. To paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld, we go to the polls with the candidates we have, not necessarily the ones we want.
Since 68 members of the Senate voted for the immigration bill (that would include 14 Republicans and 2 Independents), Liberals already have a large majority in the Senate. Only a liberal could vote for a bill legalizing criminality. That also meant that those people are in complete agreement with Obama.
I´m sure that more than a few liberals from conservative states would have also voted for the bill if it wouldn´t have cost them their political careers.
I take issue with those who say conservatives stayed home in the last election. The truth is that conservatives generally always vote in elections. I think RINO´s stayed home last time. They lack staying power and their ideals, or lack of them, have created a 68 vote majority count in the Senate.
The House is a different matter. Those politics are local within districts and members are alert to how fragile their status is if they wander from their stated path. I will vote for those people who stand by constitutional principles. Vary from those and you are gone. The GOP as a viable party doesn´t exist anymore.
Earlier posters have said it well. I hope I don´t miss any with whom I agree: #20, 32, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, Bravo!
Ok, so your candidate didn´t make the cut or didn´t try. Why are the rest of us supposed to grieve with you forever? So, you want to go third party. Go! I´ll hold the door for you because your attitude is a detriment to any effort to change things by the rest of us. You´re voting independent? Fine. Of course the rest of us understand that voting "independent" frees you to cast your vote for the Democrat without feeling guilty. You are waiting for Sarah Palin? Good luck to you persuading her to put out the effort. The rest of us will vote for a person who wanted and was willing to work for our vote. You hate Jeb Bush? That´s your privilege and right, but I´m not sure why it has to be repeated on every thread, even threads that aren´t about Jeb Bush. You don´t want to be guided by Karl Rove? Again, that´s certainly your privilege, but please stop wailing about it. Romney wasn´t your pick? Then you must have preferred Barack Obama if you refused to work for or vote for Romney/Ryan. You have your "RINO" darts ready to fire at anyone who sets a single toe outside your rigid line? Then every one of our guys will eventually disappoint you, because it´s impossible for each of us to demand the same standards in the same degree.
As for me, I´m going to do what I can to help the good guys prevail in 2014 and 2016. You can sit back and watch and whine and complain, but please remember that you could have done your part, too, but declined.
I am so disgusted with the RINOs who are the Big Givernment Progressive Republicans. Yet I do get a chuckle out of the great distrust of the much vaunted Karl Rove by the Left and the Right. What a coil we are in.
Still dumping the Republican party. Enough is enough. Changing my voter registration today.
We are doing our part, #46, we´re just not taking yours. But thank you for your kind permission to go out and do what we know is right.
#43, I disagree that all the other primary candidates - or potential primary candidates - were inadequate. After being so ill used by her own party, I can understand why Sarah Palin might have chosen not to run under the Republican flag. And after watching the treatment Palin received, I can hardly fault Herman Cain for withdrawing when the same Republican Party began to undermine him, rather than support him, when the Democrats decided to take him out.
If either of these people had been given the support of their chosen Party, they most certainly could have been worthy conservative candidates. But you can´t fight a battle on two fronts. This is where I stand right now. Several posts on this thread make it quite clear to me that if I am not willing to follow the prescribed highway - theirs - then I am obviously an idiot who wants Obama to succeed and I am neither welcomed nor wanted.
It is true, we are constrained by who decides to run. That is why the founding fathers warned us about the dangers of political parties.
There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.
The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension... is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty
But here we are, doing the best we can with what we have. Some of us are just hoping we can have something better. Perhaps it is to late to save ourselves, but some of us would rather try to swim to shore than ride the ship down.
Sitting back and hoping for something better is exactly the problem. If you have a candidate or if there are candidates you like, SUPPORT them. Send money, make phone calls, volunteer to help. If there is a cause you are enthusiastic about, get out and work for it. No one is telling anyone which direction to head in. That´s an easy copout for those who save all their energy for complaining after the fact.
Ah, so the party didn´t sufficiently "support" Herman Cain or Sarah Palin. Cain was certainly embraced and touted in the beginning, at least. I guess I missed it when Palin announced a candidacy for which she should have been supported. It´s always a disappointment if someone we like isn´t translating into electable popularity with others. I´ve been there a lot more times in my long voting history than I care to list.
#48/49, I am not among those who criticize fellow conservatives for staying home or not doing their part. I think accusations of that kind are shoot-from the-hip uninformed. Now the history lesson is interesting, but the fact is we in the modern day are stuck with political parties, and there are only two capable of serious competition.
Now, as to Palin and Cain: Palin, as you know, didn´t run for president in 2012 and was not an option. I agree with you that she was treated terribly in ´08 but that is neither here nor there today. As for Cain, he is a very gifted guy but what could anyone have done when the reports of his personal life began to come out? Should all of the other candidates have gotten together to make a joint statement assuring the country that none of it was true (when, of course, none of them had any idea)? Should the RNC have run an ad to the effect that "Clinton got away with it, so why can´t Herman?" That would have gone over really well.
And even without the personal baggage Cain had serious deficiencies. He had never held public office - a no-go with most voters, unless your name is Grant or Eisenhower - and his whole pitch was built around that easy to shoot down 9-9-9 proposal.
I am convinced that had we nominated anyone but Romney we might well have lost the House as well as the presidency.
Bottom Line: please work within for conservative change.
Great posts, typical respectful L.dotters we are, trying our best to sort out the mess that is the GOP. We have all been so brainwashed to believe that never, ever, ever would a 3rd party be possible. I used to agree believing such stupidity was unworthy of discussion. Now, I see whose interest it is to KEEP us believing we are stuck with the elephant and the elephant alone. Also, one word - Perot. The GOP will not, will not change until they are scared we will REALLY not vote for these wimpy guys. As Marcus said here, conservatives and blacks are treated the same by their respective political parties. We are also kept on the plantation (or have been until now) using the very same tactics.
I love the fantastic post of others who have finally said they have had enough.
No matter how much the Republican Cheerleader Squad pooh-pooh and tut-tut their derision at anyone who has openly said they have had enough, they are a dying breed. They, who I will bet you have family and friends who are feeding of the government taxpayer teat are only concerned with keeping access to the money and how dare you decide you wont help them do it.
Rather then trying to reach out to the Tea Party and other conservative groups, they have decided instead to assist the democrat party in granting criminals access to your money, services, and elections praying that this will help them retain power.
No one owns your vote. Its yours. It is not on loan to be given back whenever they demand it. It should be earned and not just given away. That attitude is why we are in the mess we are in now.
I left a long time ago..... When Bush had the House & Senate and they did NOTHING to CUT CUT CUT the size of Govt....now look where we are - the end is near and I am glad I am getting old so I dont have to watch the collapse of the USA
#55, thank you for your kind words. We on this board ought to be able to constructively argue among ourselves because we do have more in common than divides us. And in the end, with our country headed in the direction that it is, we´ve really only got our families, close friends and like-minded fellow citizens to turn to.
For my part I am glad that you are here, too. Take care.
Do your part? Support your candidate? How does one do that? By curiously, simultaneously posting, and if need be, congratulating like minded posters for thinking as you do, for parroting the same Rove provided garbage? Or is it time for some objectivity, intellectual honesty and clear eyed evaluation of the motives, goals and track record of those who reflexively meme the standard RNC points for the day? Its clear to all by now that some have chosen to use the salon: 1. To denigrate and trash Palin at every opportunity. 2. To deny the existence, or failing that, to deny the influence of the T party as an antiestablishment republican alternative. 3. To promote at every opportunity the establishment´s chosen candidates---- since 2009 there was a steady dose of Romney ( and antiPalin) posting, and those who challenged such propaganda where challenged, bullied and squelched. You´re not stupid, neither are we.
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