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Senate Agreement to
Bolster Border Security

ABC News, by Jim Avila

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Posted By:M2, 6/20/2013 8:25:27 AM

Early Thursday morning, the bipartisan “Gang of Eight” senators will announce an agreement to strengthen border security. ABC News has confirmed that the Senate “Gang of Eight” has reached an agreement to strengthen border security provisions in their bill that they hope will deliver the 70 crucial votes needed for the measure. According to a high ranking Senate aide, a formal announcement is expected Thursday morning.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Blackeagle, 6/20/2013 8:27:24 AM     (No. 9384986)

Guess they thought that it was time for a fig leaf.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Keekng, 6/20/2013 8:37:51 AM     (No. 9385007)

The border needs to be secured. Amendments=appeasement, totally inadequate.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: neanderthal, 6/20/2013 8:38:20 AM     (No. 9385009)

In 1948 East Germany and Russia (both flat broke from WWII) decided to build a fence dividing East and West Germany. They fence was 818 miles long and went through swamps, mountains, forests, farmland. It was built to keep millions of people cooped up in East Germany. In it´s worst year (before it was completed) 1500 people got across. After that, the maximum number in one year was 125.
Now, I want to know why, if two broke countries could build such a fence 818 miles long, why the richest country in the world can´t build one to stop 5000 aliens from crossing every day. I know the answer: Nobody in Washington wants the flow to slow down. We have to get taxpayers from somewhere to replace the 81 million we have killed since 1973.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: MattMusson, 6/20/2013 8:46:16 AM     (No. 9385021)

Lipstick on a pig.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Not your typical New Yorker, 6/20/2013 8:54:20 AM     (No. 9385041)

Both sides will tell you anything you need to hear to work THEIR will.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: TrueBlueWfan, 6/20/2013 8:54:51 AM     (No. 9385042)

I don´t need to read the article to know this is a con. I certainly hope any ´fence-sitting´ senators don´t fall for this. Everyone knows or should know that democrats lie, and will absolutely lie about border security to get what they want. Vote NO!

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Iraengneer, 6/20/2013 9:04:30 AM     (No. 9385060)

Sigh. Yes, Democrats lie. True. Bht Obumble, bad as he is, inherited much of this. He´s made it a bit worse, but several nominally Republican presidents have refused - not ´failed´, REFUSED - to either or to require interior enforcement. How long have Obumble´s illegal alien aunt and uncle been infesting the place at our expense? So there is bipartisan guilt.
A pox on all of them


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Reply 8 - Posted by: John c, 6/20/2013 9:30:15 AM     (No. 9385103)

Nothing to see here, a promise to beef up security.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: StormCnter, 6/20/2013 9:33:01 AM     (No. 9385112)

#3, in theory, you´re right. But in reality, just take a look at the stretch of fence that was supposed to prevent illegal crossings into San Diego County, California. Ask the border patrol about the air-conditioned, reinforced tunnels they discover on a regular basis, where not only humans but drugs are smuggled under. In addition, in Texas, the border is the river. Ranchers should not have to give up their water access and some of their acreage for a fence that will not stop anyone.

And last, no one in our country is willing to shoot to kill if someone tries to get over the fence.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: stablemoney, 6/20/2013 9:36:41 AM     (No. 9385119)

Mark Levin went over the 1984 legislation which provided for border security. The government refuses to enforce that. So why would adding the same language to a new bill add anything. Neither party is going to enforce border security, regardless of what a new laws says. If they are, then enforce the law already on the books. This new legislation is nothing more than new amnesty.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: mc squared, 6/20/2013 9:50:15 AM     (No. 9385155)

I don´t believe anything this steaming bunch says. The money for the fence has already been authorized.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: chillijilli, 6/20/2013 9:52:25 AM     (No. 9385160)

The problem is *not* the fence or the few poor idiots who tunnel under or climb over it. The problem is the thousands who come across the border daily in their cars and trucks---LEGALLY---on a shopper´s visa ($55) or to visit relatives in the states. They have *no intention* of returning to their own countries, despite what they claimed on their visas. Once they cross the border, they rely on complex networks to spread out across America. They do this bc they know we have no way to track them one they´ve *legally* crossed the border. NEITHER party wants a solution: Jon Kyl once told me the GOP wants the cheap labor and John Edwards (yeah, him) told me the Demos need the votes. There ya go, in a nutshell.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Iraengneer, 6/20/2013 10:04:30 AM     (No. 9385185)

Forgive double post.
But must respond.
If we are not willing to shoot invaders of the natiol territory, then what is the DEW Lline and similar efforts for? Why bother to have a military? Border crossers are no less invaders than would be a division of the Russian army. I think we would shoot at them.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: StormCnter, 6/20/2013 10:56:06 AM     (No. 9385275)

No, we´re not going to shoot border crossers on sight.

However, it is my opinion that the answer to illegal crossings is some variation on the old Bracero program. When people could legally cross with a card in order to work, they returned home. Illegal crossings in the fifties and early sixties dropped to almost nothing. Card carrying guest-workers wouldn´t have access to federal assistance, but could still provide the labor required in our food, resort and landscaping industries. Both parties seem to resist any form of guest-worker and I don´t know why. Is it the unions?

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Reply 15 - Posted by: sgtfox of the jarhead clan, 6/20/2013 11:28:33 AM     (No. 9385363)

Well why not just post the border with Spanish NO TRESPASSING signs ? That would work , right ?

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Reply 16 - Posted by: chillijilli, 6/20/2013 11:48:27 AM     (No. 9385397)

But, #14, if they crossed legally "to work"---HOW could we insure that they´d go HOME each night? We have no way to monitor them once they cross into this country. Why would they go through the hassle of traveling hither and yon when instead they can just stay here unemployed and collect numerous benefits?

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Reply 17 - Posted by: bighambone, 6/20/2013 12:41:45 PM     (No. 9385529)

They say that the immigration bill will expand legal immigration up to 46 million alien workers coming here over the next ten years. That means that just about every Mexican who wants to come to the USA to work will be able to sign up for a visa and come here with his or her family.

Since there will be essentially "open borders" why do they need all the enhanced border security? The liberal Democrats will water it down to ineffectiveness anyway as soon as the amnesty starts, and in any case Obama will ignore it and refuse to enforce it.

What they are doing with this so-called border security amendment is essentially moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic to fool enough outside the beltway conservative rubes, so that the wimpy Republicans can give the liberal Democrats enough political cover to pass their long-term voter expansion plan.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: StormCnter, 6/20/2013 1:36:31 PM     (No. 9385633)

Last comment. #14, of course in the fifties and sixties, there weren´t computers to track the Braceros. Now, there are. To get a Guest Worker card, they would be entered in a computer, then their travels and exits would be in the computer, too. The cards are, or used to be, for six month periods. We cannot get control of anything at all until we come up with a method of getting a database of who is here, where they are and what they are doing. A combination of programs will be necessary, too, but we have to be able to track them at least until they are naturalized. Naturalization is not citizenship.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: StormCnter, 6/20/2013 1:36:57 PM     (No. 9385635)

#16, not 14.

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