The IRS hadn’t spoken four sentences about its targeting of conservative groups before it blamed “our line people in Cincinnati.” Those were the words of Lois Lerner on May 10, when she acknowledged the misconduct in an answer to a question planted at an American Bar Association conference. In a phone session with reporters later that day, she famously admitted that she is not good at math. It turns out that she is not good at geography, either.The locus of the IRS scandal, it has steadily emerged, is not in Cincinnati but in Washington, where lawyers and supervisors
These ´low level employees´ in Cincinnati should not be let off the hook so easily. There are some audio clips floating around of conversations between them and some tax exemption applicants that do not make them look either neutral or professional. And why didn´t they report this, even if anonymously? Doing the bidding of people above you knowing it is at best unethical and at worst illegal and unconstitutional does not make you a victim. It makes you a co-conspirator.
I used to live in a town that had a huge IRS facility courtesy of Robert "Sheets" Byrd. Every single person I knew who worked there was a lib. Those underlings in Cincinnati etc, were " just following orders".
Time to abolish the IRS and institute a consumption tax. Just think of all the $ that would bring in from illegal aliens, drug dealers, welfare queens and all the rest of the 47%.
I tend to agree w/ #1. Be reminded that Arthur Andersen was full of ethical, competent professionals with a handful of problem employees. The government shut down the entire company of tens of thousands. And the government´s case was even over-ruled at the Supreme Court.
It doesn´t matter if "rogue agents" in Cincy were targeting. What does matter is this:
It means that Washington was involved from the very beginning. As director of Exempt Organizations, and someone who knew about the targeting and was involved in the targeting years ago, this shouldn’t have been a surprise to Lois Lerner...For now, the initial line of defense at Cincinnati is in ruins.
It isn´t news to anyone with a cogent thought that orders come from the top. If not direct orders, implicit orders by virtue of the ideology of the people who are hired at IRS.
Let´s not forget that Lois Lerner and the Deputy Treasury Secretary had a meeting in Washington to decide how to handle the news of the IG report and how "to get in front of" the story. That is when they decided to get Lerner´s friend to ask the question at the bar conference in May.
When you ignore evil, you are complicit in evil. When your income comes from that entity, turning a blind eye becomes easier. Our society has become so embraced the concept of situational ethics, right and wrong is pushed to the side. Justification of wrong doing for whatever reason is still wrong. It may be out of fashion but right and wrong are still absolutes that trump political ideology.
Still.. have to wonder why Lerner had the question planted in the Q/A at a conference. She knew this would start a huge outcry. Has anyone seen this asked? I think it was to get the focus off Bengazi, but instead they have overestimated the complicity of the lapdogs for a change.
When the MSM talks about the IRS scandal they still refer to rogue Cincinnati employees. It is just stunning to me that when the Obama Administration is flying apart because of scandal after scandal, the media is still there to carry his water. His media won´t ask the simplest questions that a first year journalist student would ask. America is doomed when the free press won´t do their job, and not because of laziness or incompetence, but rather they have to protect their side at all costs.
The IRS targeting is the direct result of Obama policy. Remember that in response to Abu Ghraib, Al Gore falsely said.."In Iraq, what happened at that prison, it is now clear, is not the result of random acts of a few bad apples. It was the natural consequence of the Bush Administration policy." Other Democrats made similar ridiculous comments.
If you know how the IRS is structured you know the idea this was the result of a few rogue agents is a transparent lie. The Cincy Service Center was the convenient administration scapegoat simply because all the applications for tax exempt status are sent there for initial processing. Policy is always made in DC, not at the Service Centers.
An aside. The huge IRS facility known as the Cincinnati Service Center hasn´t actually been in Cincinnati for some time now. The actual facility is across the Ohio River in Covington, KY but everyone still refers to it as the Cincinnati Service Center.
The entire body of government employees are 95% Democrat. Every department. They have been acting this way for decades. It´s just that under Obama it increased enough to become apparent even to the MSM. But they will soon forget it and consider the issue settled.
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Hard Nard, 6/14/2013 10:43:22 AM (No. 9375826)
Here´s a thought that I haven´t seen discussed:
Were the parents of the little girl needing the lung transplants registered as Republicans? Could they have been denied due to their political leanings? Can it be that this administration is so cold as to deny a little girl the gift of life because of her parents voting record?
Maybe I´m paranoid, but as things are going now I don´t think we can rule it out.
Why hasn´t Lois Lerner been brought back before the House Committee and made to answer the questions? Why is she being paid by the taxpayers to sit on her butt at home. If she was a conservative you can bet Michael Moore would have a group outside her house protesting her.
FTA: "The locus of the IRS scandal, it has steadily emerged, is not Cincinnati but in Washington, where lawyers and supervisors were aware of and directed the special scrutiny of tea party groups applying for 501(c)(4) status."
What we have here is not a problem in: (A) Rocket Science (B) Quantum Mechanics (C) Thermonuclear Physics or (D) Brain Surgery...It´s called "The Chain Of Command."
EXHIBIT "A": Private Beetle Bailey does not set policy for Camp Swampy. That´s the job of Brigadier General Amos T. Halftrack, Camp Swampy´s Commanding General.
All of these scandals and the actions of the entire Obozo administration, and the LACK of any real action by the Republican party, just drives home the point that the only way that the cesspool of corruptness that is Washington, D.C. will NEVER get clean up until and when drastic action is applied. And that will have to apply to every man and woman in the federal force. This type of government has been slowly growing like a cancer and the only way to cure it is with drastic surgery. I don´t think that even clean and honest elections (and even that´s not possible in today´s atmosphere) will do the job. The choice is ours.
#17 - Probably 95% of Repubs/Conservatives don´t want to be in government. It´s not their mindset nor their life´s ambition. It´s why we need as little gov´t as possible to minimize opportunities for those types that want to be gummint employees.
IRS is run as top down, strictly controlled as Stalin´s KGB and Hitler´s elite SS. Everything IRS is in the book, no exceptions and all that is needed is one, any one, or two whistleblowers to recite and show those portions of that massive book. Nobody moves without orders from above. No exceptions. Our soft hearted, basically gutless and pre instructed (or shall we say pre-intimidated) Congressional investigators will only go so far and will take months to proceed at a snails pace until attrtion stops it from being news. A whistleblower, under the threat of death, like Salmon Rushdie (remember? him?) is the only timely answer to reveal the truth and abolish this evil controlling all working citizens.
We will not do away with the IRS. Someone has to collect the taxes and make sure those paying the taxes follow the rules.
Those of you that believe a consumption tax will solve our problems need to rethink that view. Who is going to pay the tax? Who will collect the tax? What happens if the sellers collect the tax and don´t pay it to the "government"? Someone has to make them pay.
Time to ban all federal and state employees from being able to unionize. Stop them from making union political contributions.
To Reply #5, LZK; When you work for the Government, you either do what your supervisor tells you to do, or better just resign, because you will never have a day´s peace at work after you refuse, or file a grievance., THAT is the way the Government works. It does not matter how right YOU are , how ethical you are, how moral you are, how illegal the request may be, you either perform the task orsuffer the consequences. Did you notice the Benghazi whistleblower was DEMOTED ? after long years in service. That is the reality of your Government.
We will never be rid of this problem until two things happen: term limits on congress; a balanced budget amendment. Congress uses the tax code to reward those who support them, and once they get elected, they are so enamored by the power and favored position they have that they will continue to dole out favors via the tax code. A balanced budget requirement would hopefully stem the tide of an insatiable appetite for more and more tax revenue to dole out to voters.
#11 - Well I guess I´d better cut back some more on what I spend. The King and Queen want a 100 million vacation and Lois Lerner needs to sit at home and get paid for doing nothing..Robert Muller of the FBI needs to get paid for knowing nothing, Holder needs to get paid for knowing nothing and so on and so on. I need to pitch in and pay my fair share. /s
This place is fundamentally transformed all right. The NSA program was originally meant for terrorists and now Obama and crew find it all too convenient for peeping on their political opponents - forget the terrorists like the Boston murders and forget Muslims in general. It´s the dang Christian constitution loving patriots who have to be destroyed.
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