That didn’t take long. The official who leaked top-secret information about the National Security Agency’s surveillance programs to fight terrorism has now come forward in the pages of the Guardian to revel in his role “as one of America’s most consequential whistleblowers, alongside Daniel Ellsberg and Bradley Manning.” Edward Snowden is described as a 29-year-old high school dropout who worked (ironically) on computer security for the CIA before becoming a highly paid contractor at Booz Allen, making a reported $200,000 a year working for the National Security Agency in Hawaii. The Guardian story presents him as a martyr
I also work in a similar Field as this young man and must say I agree with many of his comments whether Max does or not. Letting the Obama Gang listen in on communications from political leaders after what the IRS did using audits, passing privacy information to political enemies, bullying donors and on and on, clearly rigging an election should be fare warning. There are many times I watch Republican Pols do and say stupid things and have to ask myself who is blackmailing them. McCain, Gramnesty and now Rubio to name a few. This kid is giving us fare warning.
I could not disagree more. This is just another lame attempt by another media leftard to change the subject. It will not work. A total fascist has been exposed, and no distraction will change that fact.
You fail to address most of the rationale Snowden has for disclosing the NSA overreach. A blanket vacuuming up of all phone and Internet communication clearly violates the fourth amendment. The fact that the program was not only secret but unreviewed by our legislative branch and rubberstamped by the FISA court demonstrates not only how far our civil liberties are compromised but also increases the likelihood that they will not be restored. This is a debate that we should´ve had long before such a mammoth program was put in place.
I´ve been wondering the same thing #3. Why do some GOP members do the things they do? Why did Romney back off last fall? Why do the lefties in Hollywood continue to not only verbally support this president, but also financially support him? Lastly, why are the Democrats ALL supporting his agenda, even to their own political detriment? Could it be that this administration knows who likes little girls and who likes little boys? Disgusting thoughts, but I just can´t shake the feeling that it isn´t Mr. and Mrs. America they´ve been spying on, but rather their own people to make sure they are kept in line.
Whether the whistle blower is a hero or even whether the story about him is the truth are secondary matters at this point. To focus on how the leak happened and the motives of the alleged leaker is to miss completely the main question: why is such a gigantic surveillance operation supposedly necessary? What is really going on here? Who is the enemy? What is the threat? Who has access to all this data? What else might it be used for besides thwarting terrorist attacks? For that matter, what terrorist attacks has it thwarted? Even if the disputed claim about a possible NYC subway attack being prevented is accepted as true, is that the ONLY positive accomplishment of this massive enterprise?
Someone needs to explain to the American people precisely why such a vast, intricate, intrusive internal surveillance project is deemed necessary for our safety and national security. It would seem that someone in the government thinks we are at greater risk than we realize or have been told.
All of this effort, expense and violation of privacy of all Americans just to prevent attacks by radical Muslims who refuse to accept the well-known fact that Islam is a religion of peace that does not condone violence? Talk about Islamophobia! If the NSA domestic surveillance network is really just to protect Americans from rogue Muslims, perhaps senior NSA personnel should be required to attend some cultural sensitivity and diversity seminars and get some lectures on the true teachings of the Koran by CAIR and other groups who assure us we have nothing to fear from Islam.
The fact that working for NSA scares it´s employees about the future of their country is credible with me. Some government employees seem to have lost their ability to discern right from wrong. I am glad there are people who want us to know what is going on when the people we usually trust to protect us prove untrustworthy. (Congress) Mr Boot sounds slightly hysterical. He speaks of a country that once was, but as we have observed over the past four years may be gone forever. Wake up Mr Boot, I have always respected your opinions, on this I disagree. I may agree this young man could have chosen a better place for refuge. I am glad we are learning the truth about our government, no matter how unpleasant that truth may be.
I see a lot of knee-jerk reactions on the threads regarding this revelation. I submit that this young man´s actions and his motives are very worthy of serious and unbiased reflection. Whether he is a hero or a traitor can be determined later after all the facts are known.
But at this early stage, I must say that what he has revealed is definitely worthy of exposure. It is difficult to comprehend how any court or FISA judge could possibly have thought such extensive data mining of virtually all US citizens was constitutional. It clearly violates the 4th Amendment, no matter how beneficial it was to individual terrorist cases.
More importantly it establishes a truly Orwellian society in which the government has, without any suspicion of wrongdoing, obtained an aggregated an immense amount of private communications which could be used in the future against any citizen. Snowden is exactly right. This is NOT the kind of society our founders envisioned. And it most certainly is not the kind of society I want to live in.
I take back my caution...this young man, regardless of motive, IS a hero.
Well than didn´t take long for an establishment hack to try and change the subject from all pervasive surveillance to the person of the leaker the moment he drops his anonymity. The questions #11 asks are more important than slurs on this whistleblower. So what if he was bored in high school he has achieved a lot since then. Calling him stupid is just a slur. He is making a sacrifice to do this and that should be respected.
Max Boot is a commie pinko. I say that ´cuz he sure isn´t an American with principles grounded in rugged individualism and the Constitution. Clearly, he believes those things take a back seat to whatever the government says is necessary.
There may be a few holes in the story; I´m not totally buying it. He takes refuge in China, with its many internet restrictions and intrusive electronic surveillance. He says he thinks maybe Iceland could be a good place to end up. Why didn´t he go to Iceland first instead of China if it´s so ideal? Whom does he think will pay his Hong Kong hotel bills? So easy for the US to cut off his credit cards, and then what? Did he take cash with him? Infrared cameras would pick up if he had more than $10,000. with him. Money goes fast if you´re staying in a "posh hotel." And why is he staying in an expensive place instead of one less costly? Money is bound to be a problem unless somebody is in the background to support him. Who? The Chinese government? Some US person or organization that is backing him? I don´t believe he acted alone. Maybe more will come out on this.
It will be a BIG surprise, to me, if Ed Snowden really is in Hong Kong.
I´ve been reamed by Ldotters for my insistence that John Boehner is being blackmailed by the Obama administration. Think NOW I may be right?
I disagree with the author of this story. Unlike Cpl. Manning, who stands in front of a Military Court for his release of top secret documents, I think Mr. Snowden did a brave thing.
Of course, I´ve urged Speaker Boehner to come clean, also. Millions of Americans have given their lives for this country. Is it too much to ask the Speaker of the House to give up his political life for his country?
A lot about this I am not getting. How can a high skool drop out get a security clearance from the ultra ultra secret secret NSA? If true, then how proficient, worthy and smart are the NSA morons at grabbing my emails and phone records? And If it was this moron Snowdon who was grabbing my emails and phone calls then I am really really insulted. And oh by the way, why wasn´t the super smart and clever NSA snooping on Snowden from the jump? The whole thing smells of incompetence and that paranoid LDotters makes me nervous. On the other hand the whole story sounds fishy to me.
I´ve read it, too, and am not sure what to think. Max Boot is a conservative with whom I´ve always agreed, so I can´t dismiss him so easily. On the other hand, Snowden tells his story so fluently and seems sincere, in an apolitical, yuppie sort of way.
As for the idea of Hong Kong as refuge - it could go either way. First of all, his characterization of HK is not unfounded. Yes, China has gained at least nominal administrative authority over it. On the other hand, for the moment its citizens still enjoy a surprising degree of freedom. They can still, for example, freely demonstrate and march on behalf of Tibet - which is getting away with a great deal in terms of China. And it certainly seems a place to hide, given its vast warren of hotels - and where the government might indeed not be as quick to cooperate with the U.S. government as somewhere in Europe. Plus, he can afford it.
On the other, other hand - it could be seen as rather too close to China for comfort, and who really knows what he´s up to. I hope he´s for real and assume that he is as he is young, and with much to lose.
He´s in Hong Kong because China will not extradite him even if the US asks, whereas Iceland or other countries might. In fact, Chinese intelligent agents might already be protecting him.
We should assume that government has the technological ability to snoop not just on telephone records but also has limited but improving ability to scan electronically through voice transmissions for trigger words & phrases which flag conversations for further review by a human agent.
The only problem, as highlighted by this corrupt Obama regime, is that all these powers are being given to fallable human beings with little or no accountability. The movie, "This Means War", is fun in fiction, but reprehensible in reality. The characters use state-sanctioned means to spy on each other for personal reasons giving rise to comedic results, but I´m sure that when this occur in real life, the results are likely to be extremely damaging to personal liberty, especially if ideological "true believers" who lack the concept of boundaries of acceptable behavior are in control.
This article appears to be from Barack Obama´s mouth (or rather teleprompter) to Max Boot´s ears -and pen. What a lame attempt to discredit a brave individual whose action may go down in history as the True Patriot Act.
Why is such a gigantic surveillance operation supposedly necessary?
The answer to #11’s central question is self-evident. It has nothing – NOTHING – to do with the safety or security of the nation. The surveillance operation is necessary because, above all else, the current regime must protect and perpetuate itself. The enemy is anyone and everyone who isn’t a part of the regime, and our very existence is the threat.
The same holds true for why “someone in the government thinks we are at greater risk than we realize or have been told.” The only “we” here is the government itself, and the only risk it faces is the possibility that a sufficiently large number of Americans will finally say “enough” – and back up their words.
On the somewhat brighter side, the paranoia of the Left, ever since its spawning in the French and Marxist-Leninist Russian revolutions, ensures that the revolution will eat its own – usually sooner rather than later.
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