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NSA Leaker Is No Hero
Commentary Magazine, by Max Boot

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Posted By:Dreadnought, 6/9/2013 4:01:21 PM

That didn’t take long. The official who leaked top-secret information about the National Security Agency’s surveillance programs to fight terrorism has now come forward in the pages of the Guardian to revel in his role “as one of America’s most consequential whistleblowers, alongside Daniel Ellsberg and Bradley Manning.” Edward Snowden is described as a 29-year-old high school dropout who worked (ironically) on computer security for the CIA before becoming a highly paid contractor at Booz Allen, making a reported $200,000 a year working for the National Security Agency in Hawaii. The Guardian story presents him as a martyr

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Johnny Angle, 6/9/2013 4:13:28 PM     (No. 9367867)

Yes he is, you neocon warmongering trash.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: bighambone, 6/9/2013 4:14:00 PM     (No. 9367869)

No doubt this was all planned to come out about a day before President Obama was scheduled to talk with the President of China about Chinese hackers stealing a lot of secret US information.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: eoddad, 6/9/2013 4:20:48 PM     (No. 9367874)

I also work in a similar Field as this young man and must say I agree with many of his comments whether Max does or not. Letting the Obama Gang listen in on communications from political leaders after what the IRS did using audits, passing privacy information to political enemies, bullying donors and on and on, clearly rigging an election should be fare warning. There are many times I watch Republican Pols do and say stupid things and have to ask myself who is blackmailing them. McCain, Gramnesty and now Rubio to name a few. This kid is giving us fare warning.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Kurto, 6/9/2013 4:34:00 PM     (No. 9367887)

I could not disagree more. This is just another lame attempt by another media leftard to change the subject. It will not work. A total fascist has been exposed, and no distraction will change that fact.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Carver Chilcott, 6/9/2013 4:34:38 PM     (No. 9367889)

You fail to address most of the rationale Snowden has for disclosing the NSA overreach. A blanket vacuuming up of all phone and Internet communication clearly violates the fourth amendment. The fact that the program was not only secret but unreviewed by our legislative branch and rubberstamped by the FISA court demonstrates not only how far our civil liberties are compromised but also increases the likelihood that they will not be restored. This is a debate that we should´ve had long before such a mammoth program was put in place.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: MirJoy, 6/9/2013 4:49:58 PM     (No. 9367907)

What a joy to meet anyone in today´s culture who is an altruist rather than a narcissist. Hope the video of his interview with Guardian goes viral - assume it will or already has.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: geoguy, 6/9/2013 4:57:35 PM     (No. 9367918)

The whistleblower, Snowden, demostrates real courage. Very brave man.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: pearlyjo, 6/9/2013 5:02:55 PM     (No. 9367924)

I´ve been wondering the same thing #3. Why do some GOP members do the things they do? Why did Romney back off last fall? Why do the lefties in Hollywood continue to not only verbally support this president, but also financially support him? Lastly, why are the Democrats ALL supporting his agenda, even to their own political detriment?
Could it be that this administration knows who likes little girls and who likes little boys? Disgusting thoughts, but I just can´t shake the feeling that it isn´t Mr. and Mrs. America they´ve been spying on, but rather their own people to make sure they are kept in line.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: cdunnrun, 6/9/2013 5:05:50 PM     (No. 9367928)

Yes he IS you loser!

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Bad Dog, 6/9/2013 5:09:42 PM     (No. 9367929)

#8.....Bingo

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Teleologicus, 6/9/2013 5:11:10 PM     (No. 9367931)

Whether the whistle blower is a hero or even whether the story about him is the truth are secondary matters at this point. To focus on how the leak happened and the motives of the alleged leaker is to miss completely the main question: why is such a gigantic surveillance operation supposedly necessary? What is really going on here? Who is the enemy? What is the threat? Who has access to all this data? What else might it be used for besides thwarting terrorist attacks? For that matter, what terrorist attacks has it thwarted? Even if the disputed claim about a possible NYC subway attack being prevented is accepted as true, is that the ONLY positive accomplishment of this massive enterprise?

Someone needs to explain to the American people precisely why such a vast, intricate, intrusive internal surveillance project is deemed necessary for our safety and national security. It would seem that someone in the government thinks we are at greater risk than we realize or have been told.

All of this effort, expense and violation of privacy of all Americans just to prevent attacks by radical Muslims who refuse to accept the well-known fact that Islam is a religion of peace that does not condone violence? Talk about Islamophobia! If the NSA domestic surveillance network is really just to protect Americans from rogue Muslims, perhaps senior NSA personnel should be required to attend some cultural sensitivity and diversity seminars and get some lectures on the true teachings of the Koran by CAIR and other groups who assure us we have nothing to fear from Islam.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Starlady, 6/9/2013 5:13:37 PM     (No. 9367935)

The fact that working for NSA scares it´s employees about the future of their country is credible with me. Some government employees seem to have lost their ability to discern right from wrong. I am glad there are people who want us to know what is going on when the people we usually trust to protect us prove untrustworthy. (Congress)
Mr Boot sounds slightly hysterical. He speaks of a country that once was, but as we have observed over the past four years may be gone forever. Wake up Mr Boot, I have always respected your opinions, on this I disagree. I may agree this young man could have chosen a better place for refuge. I am glad we are learning the truth about our government, no matter how unpleasant that truth may be.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Pros7767, 6/9/2013 5:16:24 PM     (No. 9367937)

Let´s hope the choice he made wasn´t in vain. I have no faith in the leadership on either side of the aisle.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Wetlandz, 6/9/2013 5:20:41 PM     (No. 9367940)

Big difference between this guy and private manning, I´m thankful for one.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: bullhead, 6/9/2013 5:29:40 PM     (No. 9367947)

From a Guardian column on Snowden regarding why he chose to flee to Hong Kong, after his whistle-blowing action.

"He [Snowden} chose the city [Hong Kong} because ´they have a spirited commitment to free speech and the right of political dissent.´"

This makes me very skeptical about Snowden.


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Reply 16 - Posted by: planetgeo, 6/9/2013 5:30:34 PM     (No. 9367949)

I see a lot of knee-jerk reactions on the threads regarding this revelation. I submit that this young man´s actions and his motives are very worthy of serious and unbiased reflection. Whether he is a hero or a traitor can be determined later after all the facts are known.

But at this early stage, I must say that what he has revealed is definitely worthy of exposure. It is difficult to comprehend how any court or FISA judge could possibly have thought such extensive data mining of virtually all US citizens was constitutional. It clearly violates the 4th Amendment, no matter how beneficial it was to individual terrorist cases.

More importantly it establishes a truly Orwellian society in which the government has, without any suspicion of wrongdoing, obtained an aggregated an immense amount of private communications which could be used in the future against any citizen. Snowden is exactly right. This is NOT the kind of society our founders envisioned. And it most certainly is not the kind of society I want to live in.

I take back my caution...this young man, regardless of motive, IS a hero.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: happy conservative, 6/9/2013 5:31:27 PM     (No. 9367952)

He may have gone to Hong Kong to assure he´d live through this exposure.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: keekng, 6/9/2013 5:31:31 PM     (No. 9367953)

Bam Bam will declare Snowden a terrorist and have him shipped off to a place unknown.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: OhMy, 6/9/2013 5:31:59 PM     (No. 9367954)

Well than didn´t take long for an establishment hack to try and change the subject from all pervasive surveillance to the person of the leaker the moment he drops his anonymity. The questions #11 asks are more important than slurs on this whistleblower. So what if he was bored in high school he has achieved a lot since then. Calling him stupid is just a slur. He is making a sacrifice to do this and that should be respected.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: jerseytomato, 6/9/2013 5:33:01 PM     (No. 9367956)

Snowden is a true patriot.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: EQKimball, 6/9/2013 5:44:40 PM     (No. 9367967)

"Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one." Benjamin Franklin

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Reply 22 - Posted by: reefdiver, 6/9/2013 5:46:23 PM     (No. 9367969)

Enemy of the State? Or is it The State is Our Enemy?

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Spidey, 6/9/2013 5:46:55 PM     (No. 9367971)

Him leaking his story to the Wash Post should have been a tip off he was shady.It could be this and the other scandals are nothing but wag the dog stories to get people away from Benghazi.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: bkt23, 6/9/2013 5:47:09 PM     (No. 9367972)

Max Boot is a commie pinko. I say that ´cuz he sure isn´t an American with principles grounded in rugged individualism and the Constitution. Clearly, he believes those things take a back seat to whatever the government says is necessary.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: judy, 6/9/2013 6:07:06 PM     (No. 9367985)

Please allow the people to decide if he´s a hero, not the DC elites.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: Chief1942, 6/9/2013 6:54:05 PM     (No. 9368026)

Sorry Max,
Couldn´t disagree more with your position. Someone much more insightful than you said" Anyone who would sacrifice freedom for security, deserve neither". I stand with that person.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: MirJoy, 6/9/2013 7:06:46 PM     (No. 9368038)

#23 Mr. Snowden leaked the story to The Guardian - guess he did not feel safe leaking it to the American media. He was right................

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Reply 28 - Posted by: god of irony, 6/9/2013 7:34:13 PM     (No. 9368051)

Our government VIOLATED the 4th Amendment guarantee of every single American. This guy is a hero!

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Reply 29 - Posted by: jar, 6/9/2013 7:34:29 PM     (No. 9368052)

There may be a few holes in the story; I´m not totally buying it. He takes refuge in China, with its many internet restrictions and intrusive electronic surveillance. He says he thinks maybe Iceland could be a good place to end up. Why didn´t he go to Iceland first instead of China if it´s so ideal? Whom does he think will pay his Hong Kong hotel bills? So easy for the US to cut off his credit cards, and then what? Did he take cash with him? Infrared cameras would pick up if he had more than $10,000. with him. Money goes fast if you´re staying in a "posh hotel." And why is he staying in an expensive place instead of one less costly? Money is bound to be a problem unless somebody is in the background to support him. Who? The Chinese government? Some US person or organization that is backing him? I don´t believe he acted alone. Maybe more will come out on this.



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Reply 30 - Posted by: Bur Oak, 6/9/2013 7:40:52 PM     (No. 9368058)

The NSA is the TSA of cyberspace. Welcome to 1984.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: littleorby, 6/9/2013 8:27:20 PM     (No. 9368085)

It will be a BIG surprise, to me, if Ed Snowden really is in Hong Kong.

I´ve been reamed by Ldotters for my insistence that John Boehner is being blackmailed by the Obama administration. Think NOW I may be right?

I disagree with the author of this story. Unlike Cpl. Manning, who stands in front of a Military Court for his release of top secret documents, I think Mr. Snowden did a brave thing.

Of course, I´ve urged Speaker Boehner to come clean, also. Millions of Americans have given their lives for this country. Is it too much to ask the Speaker of the House to give up his political life for his country?

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Reply 32 - Posted by: zorba, 6/9/2013 9:10:59 PM     (No. 9368108)

I wonder how much the Chinese and/or the terrorists are paying this traitor? Chalk up another victory for the bad guys.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: steveracer, 6/9/2013 9:33:12 PM     (No. 9368124)

disclaimer: I have read the article.

A lot about this I am not getting. How can a high skool drop out get a security clearance from the ultra ultra secret secret NSA? If true, then how proficient, worthy and smart are the NSA morons at grabbing my emails and phone records? And If it was this moron Snowdon who was grabbing my emails and phone calls then I am really really insulted. And oh by the way, why wasn´t the super smart and clever NSA snooping on Snowden from the jump? The whole thing smells of incompetence and that paranoid LDotters makes me nervous. On the other hand the whole story sounds fishy to me.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: Lalo, 6/9/2013 9:57:31 PM     (No. 9368147)

I´ve read it, too, and am not sure what to think. Max Boot is a conservative with whom I´ve always agreed, so I can´t dismiss him so easily. On the other hand, Snowden tells his story so fluently and seems sincere, in an apolitical, yuppie sort of way.

As for the idea of Hong Kong as refuge - it could go either way. First of all, his characterization of HK is not unfounded. Yes, China has gained at least nominal administrative authority over it. On the other hand, for the moment its citizens still enjoy a surprising degree of freedom. They can still, for example, freely demonstrate and march on behalf of Tibet - which is getting away with a great deal in terms of China. And it certainly seems a place to hide, given its vast warren of hotels - and where the government might indeed not be as quick to cooperate with the U.S. government as somewhere in Europe. Plus, he can afford it.

On the other, other hand - it could be seen as rather too close to China for comfort, and who really knows what he´s up to. I hope he´s for real and assume that he is as he is young, and with much to lose.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: philemon1967, 6/9/2013 10:06:37 PM     (No. 9368150)

He´s in Hong Kong because China will not extradite him even if the US asks, whereas Iceland or other countries might. In fact, Chinese intelligent agents might already be protecting him.

We should assume that government has the technological ability to snoop not just on telephone records but also has limited but improving ability to scan electronically through voice transmissions for trigger words & phrases which flag conversations for further review by a human agent.

The only problem, as highlighted by this corrupt Obama regime, is that all these powers are being given to fallable human beings with little or no accountability. The movie, "This Means War", is fun in fiction, but reprehensible in reality. The characters use state-sanctioned means to spy on each other for personal reasons giving rise to comedic results, but I´m sure that when this occur in real life, the results are likely to be extremely damaging to personal liberty, especially if ideological "true believers" who lack the concept of boundaries of acceptable behavior are in control.



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Reply 36 - Posted by: L.A. Guy, 6/9/2013 10:12:57 PM     (No. 9368153)

Sorry Max, you can not blunt heroism, no matter hard as you and the libs try.

His comments and points are right on target.

This may be the one thing that blunts America from being taken over by a Marxist Mob.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: ketchuplover, 6/9/2013 10:47:30 PM     (No. 9368178)

This article appears to be from Barack Obama´s mouth (or rather teleprompter) to Max Boot´s ears -and pen. What a lame attempt to discredit a brave individual whose action may go down in history as the True Patriot Act.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: bob913, 6/9/2013 10:47:40 PM     (No. 9368179)

Too convenient that he came forward at all. He could have stayed silent. I bet this was just a diversion from Benghazi.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: bob913, 6/10/2013 12:13:52 AM     (No. 9368222)

What does Max say about obama?
Besides committing one criminal act after another, he left men to die and is setting up the deaths of millions thru obamacare.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: mfm, 6/10/2013 12:24:25 AM     (No. 9368229)

#38, thank you..

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Reply 41 - Posted by: StuartL, 6/10/2013 1:08:34 AM     (No. 9368248)

Why is such a gigantic surveillance operation supposedly necessary?

The answer to #11’s central question is self-evident. It has nothing – NOTHING – to do with the safety or security of the nation. The surveillance operation is necessary because, above all else, the current regime must protect and perpetuate itself. The enemy is anyone and everyone who isn’t a part of the regime, and our very existence is the threat.

The same holds true for why “someone in the government thinks we are at greater risk than we realize or have been told.” The only “we” here is the government itself, and the only risk it faces is the possibility that a sufficiently large number of Americans will finally say “enough” – and back up their words.

On the somewhat brighter side, the paranoia of the Left, ever since its spawning in the French and Marxist-Leninist Russian revolutions, ensures that the revolution will eat its own – usually sooner rather than later.


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Reply 42 - Posted by: Ida Lil, 6/10/2013 2:54:32 AM     (No. 9368295)

Add another truth--if this whistle blower aka leaker is acting in good American faith it becomes sad that so many posters are so anxious to in effect Kill The Messenger.

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Neurosurgeon Ben Carson says the White House wanted him to apologize for “offending” President Obama after he famously delivered a conservative message at the National Prayer Breakfast last year. Carson, the former director of pediatric neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins Hospital, recalls the events surrounding his 2013 speech in his new book, One Nation: What We Can All Do To Save America’s Future. The Daily Caller obtained an advance copy of the book, which is set for release May 20. “He did not appear to be hostile or angry,” Carson writes of Obama, “but within a matter of minutes after the conclusion of

Megyn Kelly and the
Sandberg Head Shaker

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American Thinker, by Richard F. Miniter    Original Article
Posted By: magnante- 4/15/2014 9:16:05 AM     Post Reply
Megyn Kelly’s "Kelly File" is a great news show. She’s incisive, informed and customarily handles the toughest guest with aplomb. But her lengthy interview of Facebook C.O.O. Sheryl Sandberg about her second book in the Lean In series Lean In: For Graduates was a head shaker. Amazing that she of all people allowed Sandberg to restring the same old, same old, shamed, and shopworn feminist myths about women and girls and then jangle it in front of her viewing audience like something new out of the box. Indeed Kelly all but genuflected in front of this woman. Kept her on thru

Why You Should Be Sympathetic
Toward Cliven Bundy

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Powerline, by John Hinderaker    Original Article
Posted By: Toledo- 4/15/2014 8:40:58 AM     Post Reply
On Saturday, I wrote about the standoff at Bundy Ranch. That post drew a remarkable amount of traffic, even though, as I wrote then, I had not quite decided what to make of the story. Since then, I have continued to study the facts and have drawn some conclusions. Here they are. First, it must be admitted that legally, Bundy doesn’t have a leg to stand on. The Bureau of Land Management has been charging him grazing fees since the early 1990s, which he has refused to pay. Further, BLM has issued orders limiting the area on which Bundy’s cows can

Biden Tells Boston Bombing
Survivors, ´It Was Worth It´ (Video)

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Breitbart´s Instablog, by Debra Heine    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/15/2014 9:28:18 PM     Post Reply
Less than a minute into his speech at the Boston marathon bombing memorial on Tuesday, Vice President Joe Biden went tragically off script and told the crowd of Boston bombing survivors that "it was worth it." After expressing how impressed he was with the tribute, he said somberly, "let me say to those ´quote survivors,´ my God, you have survived and you have soared. It was worth it. I mean this sincerely - just to hear each of you speak. You´re truly, truly inspiring." The audience sat in stunned silence until Biden declared, "I´ve never heard anything so beautiful than

Which Actor Portrays The
Best James Bond?

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American Spectator, by Jonah Goldberg and Taki Theodoracopulos    Original Article
Posted By: Drive- 4/16/2014 11:20:22 AM     Post Reply
Look, everyone loves Sean Connery, particularly Sean Connery. That’s why he plays Sean Connery in every movie he’s in. People love that Scottish brogue so much, they don’t mind that he has it when he plays Juan Sánchez Villa-Lobos Ramírez, an immortal Spaniard in Highlander. The guy even won an Oscar for playing an Irish cop with a Scottish accent. Talk about sexist double standards: Meryl Streep has to master foreign dialects to get her golden statuettes. Connery just has to show up on time. In economics you devalue a currency by printing too much of it. In film you

Casual marijuana use linked with
brain abnormalities, study finds

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Fox News, by Loren Grush    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/15/2014 6:12:53 PM     Post Reply
Casual marijuana use may come with some not-so-casual side effects. For the first time ever, researchers at Northwestern University have analyzed the relationship between casual use of marijuana and brain changes – and found that young adults who used cannabis just once or twice a week showed significant abnormalities in two important brain structures. The study’s findings, to be published Wednesday in the Journal of Neuroscience, are similar to those of past research linking chronic, long-term marijuana use with mental illness and changes in brain development. Dr. Hans Breiter, co-senior study author, said he was inspired to look at the effects of casual

White babies just 15 months old show racial
bias when picking playmates, study found

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Daily Mail (U.K.), by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/15/2014 10:23:35 PM     Post Reply
Toddlers show racial bias when picking playmates, a study reveals. They also take account of how fairly others behave. Researchers tested the reaction of white 15-month-olds as toys were distributed. Two white adults divided the toys, one equally and the other unequally. Seventy per cent of the toddlers chose to play with the researcher who distributed the toys fairly. But in a second test, when one researcher favoured a white recipient over an Asian one, they picked the ‘fair’ researcher less often, the journal Frontiers in Psychology reports. And the babies are more likely to help those who share the same ethnicity, which is known as

Atlanta Braves flooded with Hank
Aaron hate mail: He’s a ‘s*****g’

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Washington Times (D.C.), by Cheryl K. Chumley    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/15/2014 3:23:19 PM     Post Reply
Hank Aaron’s recent comments about the need for America to realize that racism is still very much alive and thriving — only now due to those who wear “neckties and starched shirts” rather than KKK hoods — has sparked an angry backlash and many fans are turning the tables, calling the baseball legend himself a racist. “Hank Aaron is a s*****g piece of [expletive] [racial slur],” one man said in an email to the Atlanta Braves’ front office, one of the teams Mr. Aaron used to play for, CBS News reported. “My old man instilled in my mind from a

White is not right: Campus admins ask
for help weeding out white people

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Daily Caller, by Robby Soave    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/15/2014 7:47:18 PM     Post Reply
Western Washington University sent a questionnaire to students asking them for advice on how the administration could succeed at making sure that in future years, “we are not as white as we are today.” The question notes that WWU’s racial make up does not perfectly reflect the nation at large, and asks students to consider strategies that other universities have used to focus on skin color as the paramount indicator of a student-applicant’s worth. The president of WWU has stated that his explicit goal is to reduce the white population on campus, according to Campus Reform. “I’ve said before and I’ll say it

If a nuclear bomb exploded in downtown
Washington, what should you do?

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The Week, by Marc Ambinder    Original Article
Posted By: MissMolly- 4/15/2014 4:51:46 AM     Post Reply
Funny question in the headline, yes? But since President Obama worries more about the threat of terrorists´ improvised nuclear device going off in a major American city than anything Russia can throw at us, I was wondering if the government had deigned to share with us citizens any tips for, you know, surviving something their own intelligence points to as the likeliest unlikely Black Swan event. Well, no. And yes. No — very few people in Washington, D.C., who work for the government have any idea what they would do if a 10-kiloton nuclear device exploded at the intersection of 16th and K

Obama taps gay bishop to wrap Easter
Prayer Breakfast with invocation

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Washington Times, by Cheryl K. Chumley    Original Article
Posted By: jackson- 4/15/2014 9:25:28 AM     Post Reply
When President Obama needed a preacher to fulfill the closing prayer duties at the annual White House Easter Prayer Breakfast, he turned to none other than the Episcopal Church’s first openly gay bishop — who said he was as shocked as anyone at the appointment. The Right Rev. Gene Robinson said in a tweet, accompanied by a photo of Mr. Obama behind a podium at the event: “POTUS ‘preaches’ at the Easter prayer breakfast. Then, out of the blue, asks ME to close with prayer. OMG!” Newsmax said he also emphasized that the words he chose to close the breakfast

Progressive Insurance
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National Review Online, by Victor Davis Hanson    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/15/2014 10:08:10 PM     Post Reply
How do you ensure that you won’t be ostracized, denounced, or fired if you are a media celebrity, captain of industry, or high public official? For some, sexist banter is certainly no problem. Stand-up comedian Bill Maher called Sarah Palin a c–t and a tw-t, but suffered no ill consequences. David Letterman joked on air that Sarah Palin’s 14-year-old daughter had had sex with Alex Rodriguez during a New York Yankees game. There was no downside to that either. President Obama tosses around “sweetie” as he wishes. No problem with that. No one believes Barack could be condescending to women.


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