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Getting The IRS Out of Obamacare
Breitbart´s Big Government, by David Bossie

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Posted By:LittleHoodedMonk, 6/9/2013 5:07:54 AM

As the IRS scandal continues to take shape and the massive overreach of one of the most powerful agencies in Big Government becomes even more apparent, it becomes frightening to think this same agency will soon be heavily involved in your personal healthcare situation. Remember folks, as the United States Supreme Court said nearly a year ago, Obamacare is a tax and thus falls under the jurisdiction of the IRS. (Snip) Georgia Congressman Tom Price has introduced the Keep The IRS Off Your Health Care Act of 2013 (H.R. 2009). The recently introduced legislation already has

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I may be the only LDotter who believes that Chief Justice Roberts made the right call on 0bamaCare. Congress was both foolhardy to believe the false promises [outright lies] that 0bama made and derelict in NOT reading the bill before they passed it. To believe that one vote alone from what is suppose to be a "non-partisan" Supreme Court judge is responsible for their mistake is ludicrous. However, we are finally seeing our elected officials stepping up to use their power to attempt to stop these illegal power grabs by the 0bamaNation.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Trigger2, 6/9/2013 6:03:19 AM     (No. 9367203)

It wasn´t ´Congress´ as a whole who foisted this POS death bill on the public. It is wholly owned by Demonrats.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Udanja99, 6/9/2013 7:23:26 AM     (No. 9367242)

Thanks for the reminder, #1. Though most of us here remember that super important piece of info, there may be some here who have forgotten or never knew. As the whole fiasco gets worse and worse, we need to keep shouting it from the rooftops - not one single Republican voted for the Obamanation health care bill.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Rinktum, 6/9/2013 7:39:16 AM     (No. 9367254)

Obamacare is an abomination and it is coming to light just how expensive, unwieldy and intrusive it will be. Chief Justice Roberts called it a tax when Obama´s lawyers were arguing it was NOT a tax. I have to wonder if he ever has second thoughts about his decision because he certainly has opened Pandora´s box. "His court" is going to have a humdinger of a legacy. Our government has failed us every step of the way.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: RancherJack, 6/9/2013 8:02:56 AM     (No. 9367279)

No one has any business being all up in my business.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Dodge Boy, 6/9/2013 8:22:12 AM     (No. 9367301)

"Getting the IRS Out of Obamacare".

I got a better idea. Getting Jug Ears out of the WH (you, too, Bite Me),then get Obamacare out of the IRS,then get the IRS out of Washington, then get the dims out of Congress who forced this lousy farce down our throats in the first place.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: LZK, 6/9/2013 8:22:43 AM     (No. 9367302)

Spot on -- poster #1 -- it was the demorats.....

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Reply 7 - Posted by: bubby, 6/9/2013 8:32:21 AM     (No. 9367321)

If the IRS can´t be done away with altogether then at a minimum take away their guns, right to seizure, their tax court, their you are guilty unless you prove us wrong and we determine that and all their enforcement procedures. Make them more like Postal employees. If not the IRS will continue to be used as sledge hammer against "we the people" who want fewer taxes, regulations and a smaller government. The IRS is corrupt beyond repair.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: lil dotty, 6/9/2013 8:43:02 AM     (No. 9367328)

Yes, not ONE Republican voted for this Frankenstein. And yet mulatto son calls it a bi-partisan effort. A lie...from THIS administration..GASP!! When passed a good many of us here on Ms Luci´s commented that after SC ruling it is a TAX the bill must have originated in HR not Senate. Even following the rules of our Constitution, the dims must cheat. Old hairy pulled his slight of hand and resurrected Teddy K to ghost write a tax bill. Gypsies tramps and thieves... pappa would do whatever he could.
The end always justifies the means.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: chiller, 6/9/2013 8:58:41 AM     (No. 9367353)

I do believe -- with all the wonderful things we´ve learned about the IRS lately-- this will be a difficult vote for dems with any interest in reelection.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: lylacat, 6/9/2013 8:58:49 AM     (No. 9367354)

The IRS has proved again and again that it cannot be trusted; they targeted anyone who they thought could be a threat. They spent precious taxpayer dollars going to expensive, lavish and luxurious retreats, and making silly movies. The IRS has become a joke and cannot be trusted, so why would we allow 0bama to hire 16,000 more of these thieves to run our healthcare. Be afraid, very afraid. And, let us not forget how Lois Lerner who authorized much of the corruptions and targeting came before congress and proclaimed she did nothing wrong, but then she would not answer any questions or be honest and forthcoming. These people are vile and corrupt. Lois Lerner was put on leave, but she still collects her $200,000 salary. Amazing, huh?

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Reply 11 - Posted by: bigfatslob, 6/9/2013 9:03:48 AM     (No. 9367359)

Obama is the king and Pelosi is the queen along with all the liberal democrat communists who own this monstrosity. Let it hand around their necks like a millstone.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Ida Lou Pino, 6/9/2013 9:13:46 AM     (No. 9367381)

Even Sarah Palin never realized - - that it would be the IRS running the Death Panels.

Give that some thought - - if you want to frighten yourself witless.

And to think - - the lefties tried to mock Sarah when she expressed concerns about the Death Panels!

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Reply 13 - Posted by: FoulBill, 6/9/2013 9:38:51 AM     (No. 9367418)

The plan that Obama and his left wing henchmen have for America should be crystal clear at this point. It´s also clear the Harry Reid will succumb to no pressure to alter the path. There is one remote hope, and that is the 2014 mid-term election. There are 21 Democrat seats up for grabs in the senate. If in the outside chance that the Republicans could grab all of those seats they would clearly hold he power to pass legislation to repeal ObamaCare and fix the tax code (up to, and including abolishing the IRS). However, the 66 seats would not be enough to overcome Obama´s veto. The key election is the upcoming Massachusets special election. If Gabe Gomez wins, and the Republicans were to win all 21 seats next year, we could stop this steamroller. Of course the odds are nearly zero that the Republicans could win all 22 seats, and probably nearly zero that they are really willing to make the changes. But it´s a good thought, and one worthy of promulgating.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Silly Old Me, 6/9/2013 10:00:06 AM     (No. 9367445)

That bill has rung too many times.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: papasparky, 6/9/2013 10:15:43 AM     (No. 9367466)

The acoustics of this blog far exceed the best concert halls of the world.

The reverberation (reiteration echo) time for reply 13 comment is 21 days and still counting with no loss of volume - amazing!

Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Problem resolved.
(P.S. We are a news forum, not a blog). LCom Staff.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Arby, 6/9/2013 10:22:42 AM     (No. 9367474)

Time for a flat tax or fair tax or VAT w/o personal income tax . . . something simple and straightforward that obviates the need for an IRS.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Lalo, 6/9/2013 10:38:41 AM     (No. 9367494)

Forget it, #13 - Gabe Gomez is a RINO, RINO RINO RINO RINO RINO RINO and hence we might as well have the Dem and Obamacare. /s

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Reply 18 - Posted by: HisHandmaiden, 6/9/2013 10:42:30 AM     (No. 9367499)

Fixed the headline:

Get the IRS Out.

Hasn´t Ted Cruz introduced legislation to do this...

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Coy860, 6/9/2013 11:31:41 AM     (No. 9367564)

Sorry, but Roberts gets no pass from me.
He twisted like a pretzel, turning a penalty into a tax.
He above all knew this was not Constitutional..and appeared to be against it and changed his mind at the last minute.
WHY? Did Obama cronies tap his phones? His email? In today´s world, we cannot afford to have a Supreme Court accountable to no one. Much harm has come to We the People from faulty decisions from a Court that is 1/2 socialist/communist.
Our right to own our property is no longer valid. (Kelo)
Our right to be responsible for ourselves (Obamacare)
Neither of these decisions square with the Consitution.
What about Freedom OF Religion? We are being ordered under LAW to violate our faith
to provide birth control and abortions at taxpayer expense.
Then there is Roe vs Wade..privacy rights for pregnant women, but not for all of us under Obamacare.
The list is long. There is NOT ONE Branch of Government today that stands for the People and the Constitution. The danger is grave.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: lakerman1, 6/9/2013 11:46:56 AM     (No. 9367586)

The Obamacare law, as written, requires not only that a person have health insurance, but has a large number of requirements for that insurance to contain.
So I don´t know what other agency would enforce the goofy law, other than the IRS.
It is, according to Roberts, a tax, and tax enforcement is done by the IRS.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: OhMy, 6/9/2013 12:09:32 PM     (No. 9367628)

This is really only symbolic and it will go nowhere. It would be a pity if it became a distraction from doing something effective. Pass a bill ( again ) abolishing Obamacare and then have no increases in the debt ceiling until Obama signs it into law. If there is any delay then up the ante and pass a bill abolishing the IRS along with all government programs that are doubtfully constitutional or carrying forward the progressive agenda and insist on it!

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Butch59, 6/9/2013 12:37:48 PM     (No. 9367668)

#8 rang a bell in my mind. I thought that I had heard about a lawsuit being filed about that fact that all tax bills must originate in the House and obamacare was originated in the Senate. Does anyone have any information about that?

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Reply 23 - Posted by: AutumnJoy, 6/9/2013 12:48:29 PM     (No. 9367686)

If some coalition of libertarians and repubs don´t seize this opportunity to RUN on abolishing the IRS, it will be one of the greatest abdications of political savvy known to Americans. That one issue campaign promise is a sure winner, across the board. I do not know one person, no matter what political stripe,(or none at all), who supports the IRS.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: dkrieb, 6/9/2013 1:56:26 PM     (No. 9367748)

Roberts decision to call the law a tax was brilliant. It will make it that much easier to repeal the law and as a matter of fact since the bill is a tax is should have originated in the House which it didn´t which should render the bill unlawful.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: NotaBene, 6/9/2013 2:46:49 PM     (No. 9367799)

Chief Justice John Roberts stuck it to the American people. Shame on him.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: Ida Lil, 6/9/2013 3:43:43 PM     (No. 9367843)

We can hope the law of death panels will grasp that Harry Reid is now about 80 years old and remove him from office.He should not be allowed to block bills that protect citizens from tyrants.
He must walk with all the unnecessary seniors and take Nancy with him for she also has reached that magic age.
When one congress critter can stay in office over 58 years the original purpose of a representative government is compromised. The natural tendency to believe they are superior sucks all reason from their brains and they decide they own everyone.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: peterfleming, 6/9/2013 4:25:15 PM     (No. 9367877)

Communist medical and the KGB don´t work without a Gulag. We have a thriving prison industry, but so far no endless thousands of miles of filthy camps for traitors. Yes, that´s Obamaou´s dream. IRS out of Commie medicine. Don´t forget, IRS out of cancer provoking income tax. Sales tax only. Fire most IRS worker bees. Prevent them from killing more American spirit. Commiekare and IRS KGB gone. That would be an improvement for all. Cowardly Congress can end the IRS. Tell them not to be cowards.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: O.G.´s Mom, 6/9/2013 5:44:14 PM     (No. 9367966)

In the immortal words of Obama and his buddy Ram it to ´em Emanuel.......never let a good crisis go to waste.

Abolish the IRS and Abolish Obamacare!!

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Reply 29 - Posted by: bluefindad, 6/9/2013 7:36:24 PM     (No. 9368053)

Putting the IRS in charge of Obamacare was a bad idea wrapped in another bad idea.

Too great a portion of this nation´s history has been molded by men of grand vision but little wisdom. Income tax was a bad idea. It did not take exceptional understanding to realize that the power to pry into everyone´s business and to use enforcement power to take savings and belongings would be used poorly. The ´Great Society´ was started by men of good intentions but little understanding of human nature.

It did not take exceptional foresight to understand that Obamacare would result in death panels (or did it?).

Coupling the IRS and Obamacare represents a doubling-down of pig-headed ignorance.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: Charactercounts, 6/9/2013 8:40:54 PM     (No. 9368088)

#20, yes, there are a long list of requirements for the insurance we must have. The ironic thing is that when your plan includes all those requirments, as does the one we have from an employer, it costs a lot--and then it´s considered a "Cadillac Plan."

When you have a "Cadillac Plan," there is a tax that must be paid on the amount that the plan costs above $10,200 for individuals, and $27,500 for families. This is to force employers to offer LESS generous plans and have them seek to control medical costs.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: Crosscut, 6/9/2013 9:00:03 PM     (No. 9368096)

Democrats own Obamacare. I will despise Democrats forever for what they have done to America. They have successfully overthrown our government and have turned this nation into a socialist third-world rabble dominated hellhole.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: mod, 6/10/2013 12:59:25 AM     (No. 9368244)

#22 - Matt Staver of Liberty Counsel gave oral arguments on May 16 with one of the points being that a tax bill must originate in the House. No decision there yet, but you can track this at libertycounsel.org.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: Lalo, 6/10/2013 11:43:06 AM     (No. 9368809)

#32.. libertycounsel.org is still under construction at the moment, but thanks for the glimmer of hope.


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Reply 34 - Posted by: Hazymac, 6/10/2013 12:21:17 PM     (No. 9368881)

There are several ifs involved, but I hope and pray that OP is correct that Chief Justice Roberts made the right political--certainly not legal--call in upholding the ACA, and letting it proceed to its painfully expensive and deadly objectives, enforced by the most obtrusive and despotic federal agency of all: the IRS.

A chess grandmaster can "see" many moves ahead and anticipate what his opponent is going to do, planning in advance to counter the moves he expects to be made against him. If he anticipates correctly, he can force checkmate or resignation.

The future of medical insurance is beginning to come into focus, and the picture is not pretty. Premiums which Democrats promised would become more affordable are rising alarmingly high, especially for healthy young people. Bureaucratic action is easing us onto the path of denial of medical care and death panels. The best medical insurance policies are about to be tagged with a confiscatory 40% tax. Democrats´ political allies in unions and favored businesses have been exempted from the law. As always, Congress gets special treatment; the law doesn´t apply to them. The infernal complexity and prolixity of the ACA makes it, like the tax code, subject to "expert" interpretation. You know where that leads.

If Roberts thinks like a grandmaster--and if he is correct--this categorically terrible legislation will cause so much pain and disruption, and cost so much, that it will, if played correctly by the Republicans, cause a sea change in voters´ preferences, fatally wounding the Democrats and the despised IRS. That´s a lot of ifs, though. Is Roberts that smart? I wouldn´t bet on it.

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Look, everyone loves Sean Connery, particularly Sean Connery. That’s why he plays Sean Connery in every movie he’s in. People love that Scottish brogue so much, they don’t mind that he has it when he plays Juan Sánchez Villa-Lobos Ramírez, an immortal Spaniard in Highlander. The guy even won an Oscar for playing an Irish cop with a Scottish accent. Talk about sexist double standards: Meryl Streep has to master foreign dialects to get her golden statuettes. Connery just has to show up on time. In economics you devalue a currency by printing too much of it. In film you

Elizabeth Warren whines about coverage
of her fraudulent Indian claim

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Daily Caller, by Patrick Howley    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/16/2014 9:54:52 PM     Post Reply
Democratic Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren wrote in her forthcoming book that she was “hurt” and “angry” by 2012 reporting on her fraudulent claim to Native American heritage. “What really threw me, though, were the constant attacks from the other side,” Warren wrote in her book “A Fighting Chance.” “I would almost persuade myself that I was starting to get the hang of full-throttle campaigning and then — bam! Out of left field, the state Republican Party, or the Brown campaign, or some blogger, would launch a rocket at me,” Warren wrote, adding, ”I was stunned by the attacks.” This reporter (blogger?) reported extensively

Former US president joins
opposition to Keystone XL

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Houston Chronicle, by Jennifer A. Dlouhy    Original Article
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WASHINGTON — Former President Jimmy Carter joined fellow Nobel laureates Wednesday in opposing Keystone XL, insisting that approving the pipeline would trigger “more climate upheaval” around the globe. In an open letter to President Barack Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry, Carter and the nine other Nobel Peace Prize winners bluntly warned the leaders: “Your decision on the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline will define your climate legacy.” The missive, published as an advertisement in Politico, represents the first time Carter has taken a position on the $5.4 billion project and makes him the first former president to come

Analysis: Obama Celebrates
Eight Million ´Enrollments,´
Again Declares Debate ´Over´

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Townhall, by Guy Benson    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/17/2014 8:56:28 PM     Post Reply
President Obama addressed the White House press corps today, announcing that with the final numbers in, Obamacare´s exchanges have attracted eight million sign-ups -- 35 percent of whom are "under the age of 35," he said. Several elements of his comments were misleading: (1) At first blush, the 35 percent stat is both significant and impressive. As recently as last month, the share of "young invincibles" signing up for plans was struggling in the 25 percent range, far short of the actuarial target of nearly 40 percent. A leap into the mid-30´s, while still shy of the goal, would constitute a major step, and would bode well for the risk pools'

Kim Novak responds to post-
Oscars ridicule: ‘I was bullied.’

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Washington Post, by Soroya Nadia McDonald    Original Article
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After presenting at the Academy Awards this year, Kim Novak didn’t want to leave her house. The Hitchcock screen siren, 81, was too humiliated to venture from her home near the Rogue River in Oregon. She read the cruel posts and Internet snark about her appearance, and it was just too much. “It got to me like it gets kids and teenagers,” she told the Associated Press. The “Vertigo” actress, considered one of the great beauties in her day, posted a note on her Facebook wall Thursday, acknowledging that she’d gotten fat injections in her face and addressing her halted

Fox News Poll: Many voters say Obama lies
to the country on important matters

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Fox News, by Dana Blanton    Original Article
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About six in ten American voters think Barack Obama lies to the country on important matters some or most of the time, according to a Fox News poll released Wednesday. Thirty-seven percent think Obama lies “most of the time,” while another 24 percent say he lies “some of the time.” Twenty percent of voters say “only now and then” and 15 percent “never.” Click here for the poll results. President Obama has been accused by political opponents and media fact-checkers alike of telling falsehoods. Frequently cited: His repeated claim that under Obamacare “If you like your plan, you can keep

Rev. Al Sharpton’s Easter message:
Politically ‘crucified’ Obama has risen again

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Washington Times, by Jessica Chasmar    Original Article
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With Easter soon approaching, the Rev. Al Sharpton on Wednesday drew parallels between the resurrection of Jesus Christ and the resurrection of President Obama’s political career. Joining the “Tom Joyner Morning Show,” Mr. Sharpton said that his message for this Easter is that “no matter what the world may do to you unfairly, no matter how you’re crucified — nailed to the cross at home, or in your personal relationships, or on the job — that you can rise if you don’t lose yourself during the hard times and the challenges.” The reverend went on to say that Christ endured so much humiliation and unearned suffering leading up to his death,

Wendy Davis will undergo neck surgery
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Star-Telegram [Fort Worth TX], by Anna M. Tinsley    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/16/2014 4:02:34 PM     Post Reply
FORT WORTH — Democratic gubernatorial candidate Wendy Davis will undergo neck surgery today, her campaign said Tuesday. “After experiencing shoulder and right arm pain in recent weeks, Sen. Davis will have a routine surgical procedure to remove bone spurs and degenerative discs that are creating compression on the nerves in her neck,” campaign spokesman Zac Petkanas said in a statement Tuesday. “This is a common issue experienced by runners and endurance athletes,” he said. Davis, of Fort Worth, will undergo the outpatient surgery at the Fort Worth Brain and Spine Institute. Dr. Thomas Ellis will perform the

The Folly Of The Bundy Ranch Rebellion
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The Federalist, by Grace Olmstead    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/18/2014 4:21:46 AM     Post Reply
It’s the stuff of Westerns: a showdown on the desert plains, the big bad government against an underdog farmer. Though the story has only grabbed national headlines in the past several days, rancher Cliven Bundy has illegally grazed cattle on the Nevada land surrounding his farm for over 20 years. He hasn’t paid grazing fees since 1993, and refuses to renew the necessary grazing permit.(Snip)Rather than using the avenues and pathways presented to him, Bundy has staunchly declared his own law and allegiances. Unfortunately, reality doesn’t work this way. If only it did—we could rebel for paying stupid taxes, refuse to


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