Fans of Glenn Beck are complaining about what I wrote yesterday about his speech at the National Rifle Association convention, where he used a giant image of Michael Bloomberg photoshopped into what appeared to be an image of Hitler with his arm raised in a Nazi salute and wearing an armband. The Beck crowd now tells me that it wasn’t Hitler’s picture into which the New York mayor was transposed but that of Communist leader Vladimir Lenin. They say that means I owe Beck an apology along with the Anti-Defamation League and others who were also outraged by it.
Comments: Glenn Beck is the poster boy for "loose cannon".
#1, while liberals have no room for complaint about this, conservatives should still reject such crass emotional arguments. We should make our case clearly without relying on judgment clouding emotion. The whole core of the conservative argument is that liberal ideas fail when evaluated in the cold light of reason. And if we stay away from purely emotional appeals, we can then use logic to show how ideas promoted by people like Bloomberg eventually lead to totalitarianism.
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Fiesta del sol, 5/9/2013 6:42:00 AM (No. 9317642)
I don´t listen to Glenn Beck and didn´t see his NRA speech. But isn´t it easy to caricature and ridicule Nanny Bloomberg without using Hitler imagery? The libs and their totalitarian fantasies speak for themselves.
It´ s a free country, theoretically. And if a politician crosses the line you let him have it. Beck´s opinions and do not interfere with anyone elses freedom. Bloomberg is a pocket tyrant who should have been shut down YEARS ago.
Sorry, I´m not with Tobin on this. Free speech applies to both sides of the aisle and as much as Tobin rails against Beck´s brand of hyperbole, the point was made.
But comparing this infringement on personal liberty to mass murder, whether committed by Nazis or Communists, is not a rational or reasonable argument. At best, Beck’s stunt could be called hyperbole. At worst, it is the sort of demonization that undermines public discourse in a democracy.
Beck wasn´t comparing Bloomberg´s "infringement" to mass murder; he was comparing Bloomberg´s attitude about his fellow man, that he is within his rights to tell them what to eat, how to drink and how to live, is not Bloomberg´s to apply to the rest of us, as Lenin and Hitler did.
But knowing Beck, he will probably apologize. He´s a good guy and we need whistleblowers like Beck more than we need tyrants like Bloomie. Give Bloomie and inch and, as we have seen, he will take a mile. But give him another mile, then another, and he will take all you (and I) have. Bloomie is far more dangerous to a free society than Beck is.
To the poster who called Beck a loose cannon, I couldn´t disagree more. He does his homework, studies incessantly, digs for information non-stop, will defend the Constitution to the death and doesn´t make accusations that turn out to be false. He does make uncannily accurate prognostications, though. But a "loose cannon". It´s just the reverse.
Funny how only the left is allowed to use such imagery.
And don´t forget that Doomberg tells us we need a new interpretation of the Constitution. He is as dangerous as any communist dictator. It is past time that the truth is continually shot out of the figurative "cannon".
The "sensitive centrists" would probably also consider the Benghazi whistleblowers to be "loose cannons".
I´m pretty sure I read not too long ago that Bloomberg wanted to control doctors´ ability to prescribe pain meds. His thinking was that patients should endure more pain (he told citizens they would suffer a "little bit") so addicts they´ve never met won´t illegally acquire and abuse the drugs.
Now you tell me... that´s barbarity in the name of an unachievable greater good. The fact that he wasn´t ridiculed by the media for crossing that line tells me all bets are off.
I find this hilarious. Bech posts a picture of Bloomberg giving the nazi salute and the incredibly ignorant journalists automatically assume it is a picture of Hitler with Bloomberg´s head, instead of the murdering socialist, Lenin.
Depends on whose ox is being gored, now doesn´t it Toby? Didn´t hear much of an outcry about Bush being portrayed as Hitler. Tyical lib, can dish it out but can´t take it. Time to pull up your big girl panties.
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god of irony, 5/9/2013 7:58:22 AM (No. 9317719)
I guess Tobin hasn´t read the Rules for Radicals. Isolate your target and humiliate him to make him ineffecive. We are in a culture war and playing nice as in the past will cause us to lose as it has in the past.
Here, let me fix this headline: Does a Line Need to be Crossed? Yes.
It is not only Glenn´s right. He considers it to be his duty to assail these communists. For those that are afraid to fight the left with their own tactics, you can watch CSPAN archives of Graham or McCain speeches, instead.
The left is morally inferior, but accorinding to the corrupt press, the left is vastly superior which gives them licence to engage in the lowest forms of political attacks, including character assassinations wrapped up in filthy lies. We can´t win no matter how cleanly we play the moral superiority game. So why wring hands over imagery presented by Glenn Beck?
Tobin gets the basic facts wrong, then doubles down on his criticism. Bloomberg is a would-be tyrant. He only looks ridiculous because the remnants of our constitution and governing structure still serve as a modest check on maniacs like Blomberg.
One of Bush 43´s biggest mistakes was not responding to criticism. An effective means of criticism is the Alynskyite tactic of ridicule.
Plus Beck gets to make the point that while the left condemns Hitler, they seem just fine with communist monsters like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and Che. Beck gets a twofer and Tobin is wetting his pants.
More PC baloney. No one, but no one, is to refer to Hitler or anything related to the Holocaust in any political discourse. It´s sacred. It´s holy. Stalin might be fine, but stay away from any reference to Hitler.
Yet the "p!ss Christ" and Mary covered in manure are simply free expression.
Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Barry Goldwater
Look.......The liberals effectivly use over the top, crass and outrageous arugements to win debates. They appeal to emotions, and frankly, it works on the low information voters. It´s the only way they win and all you have to do is look to 2008 and 2012 to see the evicence. Liberals do not use logic because using logic is impossible in the face of facts and reality. But yet they keep winning. And truethfully, scare tactics work.
If we wish to win, we too must appeal to the low information voters. And if it takes outragesous statements and extreme arguements to get their attention, then we have to do it. When we play by the "rules", we lose.
I feel that free speech is hanging by a spider web thread, so go for it Glenn. As long as we have the right of free speech today, use it before we lose it. Every day in every convoluted way possible, the American Left manipulates whatever is at hand to chill and shut down Free Speech.
Furthermore, there was not one mention of the tv talking head who spits out the word Nazi multiple times on each episode of his mainstream "news" opinion show. The word Nazi is continually aimed at the Right by Hissy Chrissy.
No way I will criticize Beck on this. The difference between what Bloomberg is doing and trying to do and mass murder is only a matter of degree.
Telling someone that they have no right to self defense is not very far from actually killing them, the end result for those that are attacked and cannot defend themselves effectively is the same. The only real difference is LUCK, whether you are actually attacked or not.
Tobin may argue that Becks tactics are less effective if he wants, but there is NO LINE.
#2 is right. Conservatives have facts, figures, logic and the onward flow of history on their side. They don´t need to rely on this. Having said that, the common thread here "I know what is good for you better than you do (and will make you pay dearly if you don´t fall in line)" is common to Nazis, Bolsheviks and Liberals. That point cannot be denied.
Boys and Girls or Men and Women (as appropriate)--it is a war now insofar as keeping this country or what´s left of it and Glenn Beck is on the front lines--not always right but he´s fighting. You don´t play fair with Demonrats; you have to have no mercy as they will never show you any and lie while they are doing their evil dismemberment of our country.
"Civility" and "reasoned discourse" can only be effective with an informed electorate, and when both sides play by the same rules. That train left the station a long time ago. Who do you think has more influence today, Glenn Beck or (e.g.) George Will?
Thank you #2, I agree completely. The left wants us to sink to their level, it´s the only way they can win an argument. Last time I looked Nanny´s ideas on guns, soda, etc weren´t playing well outside of NYC. Don´t seem to be playing well in NYC. Conservative ideas trump theatrics.
I guess I´m a dullard. Is that a type of duck? Or it that a Willard.
I´m sorry, folks, but I´m sick of people (including multiple posters here) saying that we should not go down to the lie-berals´ level and get mud on us.
To Hell with that. This republic was dealt a fatal blow last November. We are one SCOTUS seat being flipped away from total anarchy. Years of ´´playing nice´´, while the lie-berals masterd fighting dirty, brought us to this point.
No more playing nice. If the lie-berals throw mud, we throw poop back. If the lie-berals call names, we blast back worse ones over loudspeakers.
This nation is on it´s death bed. Playing nice will only speed up that process. No more!!!!! Patriots in the American Revolution invented guerilla warfare. It´s time for modern patriots to realize that we are at an even more dangerous point in the life of our republic, and start fighting back by ALL MEANS NECESSARY!!!!!!
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