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Is there anything related
to Benghazi that could get
the president impeached?

American Thinker, by Rick Moran

Original Article

Posted By:magnante, 5/7/2013 8:45:51 AM

Short answer - not yet. For all the words spread around recently about impeaching Obama over Benghazi, there is a curious ommission made in every single article and blog post I´ve read that advocates or predicts that Obama will be impeached. They all seem to be missing the words "high crimes and misdemeanors." Yes, I know - that silly Constitution seems to get in the way of our fun. But in order to impeach a president, you can´t just connect a few dots and proclaim conspiracy. There must be proof - hard proof

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: hershey, 5/7/2013 8:51:01 AM     (No. 9314296)

Does anyone really think that a Democratic controlled Senate will ever bring articles of impeachment against zippy?

It isn´t likely....

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Reply 2 - Posted by: BarryNo, 5/7/2013 9:08:51 AM     (No. 9314325)

Mr. Moran, Obama was absent during a time period in which military authorization was required at his level of Authority. He essentially abandoned the bridge of the ship of state during a time of conflict. In the old British Navy, this would get him court-martialed and hung in chains.

He abandoned his post. Any lesser officer of the military (and he is the ONLY elected military officer as CIC) would be facing the death penalty.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: locarno, 5/7/2013 9:20:19 AM     (No. 9314343)

Expect to see more of these articles coming out. Though surprised to see it in AT. This constant poo-pooing about the lies Presidents tell and the press that love them. Rick, this was an intentional and deliberate cover-up of the facts carried out by the highest levels of our government in full cooperation with the leftist media. All for the express purpose of getting Obama reelected.

Now, if you want to claim we don´t have enough evidence to impeach Obama at this point, you´re probably right. We could call it criminal negligence if there were no coverup. But the truth is they are hiding something, and something very very big. If this were a Republican administration, we´d have wall-to-wall 24x7 coverage of it in the press. As it is, we have to slog and fight for every scrap of truth we can find about Benghazi with the media and Obama administrations throwing up roadblocks at every turn.

The last thing we need is another ´move along, there´s nothing to see here´ article and thats what we seem to be getting more of.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Hugh Akston, 5/7/2013 9:26:42 AM     (No. 9314355)

#1 - The House brings forth the Articles of Impeachment. The Senate then votes whether to convict, or not. Clinton was impeached by the House, not convicted in the Senate, but he was impeached, just not removed from office.

Misdemeanors has nothing to do with minor legal infractions, it deals with demeanor - character - or lack thereof.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Salt5792, 5/7/2013 9:41:09 AM     (No. 9314388)

Is being abrasive and obnoxious a high crime?

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Reply 6 - Posted by: LadyVet, 5/7/2013 9:42:55 AM     (No. 9314395)

This article says what I have been saying all along. Obama is a sorry president and a sorry commander-in-chief. However, the constitution gives him authority to conduct foreign policy. So if he is an incompetent foreign minister and surrounds himself with mediocrities like Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Janet Napolitano, and Tom Donilon, he is foolish but not unconstitutional. Elections matter. Election fraud matters.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: LadyVet, 5/7/2013 9:56:26 AM     (No. 9314424)

Additional thought: to find a violation of the constitution, Congress needs to find that that to be in Libya in the first place he violated the War Powers Act and the Constitutional provision that he should have gotten a declaration of war. Obama has exceeded his constitutional authority when he sent special ops troops to the country without approval of Congress in the first place.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: RKfree2b, 5/7/2013 10:14:59 AM     (No. 9314458)

Can anyone say COVERUP?!!
Nixon was impeached for less and with less proof.

Can anyone remember the intentional lies about an offensive anti-islamic video being the cause of the Benghazi attack?! This lying went on for weeks after the attack!!

So, again, a coverup caused the downfall of Nixon´s presidency...and no one died from what Nixon was trying to cover up. In the case of Benghazi, an American diplomat was murdered, along with other Americans, and it wasn´t about an offensive video!!!!!

Impeach Obama!

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Reply 9 - Posted by: preciosodrogas, 5/7/2013 10:23:39 AM     (No. 9314477)

Mr. Moran needs to come to a better understanding of the "high crimes and misdemeanors" language of the Constitution. Dereliction of duty, violation of oath, and abuse of authority are examples of such. Impeachment is not a criminal proceeding and it is not based on violation of statutes per se, although they could include them. It is the failure of a public official to uphold his office. Think of it in terms of the military with its conduct unbecoming of an officer violations. Mr. Moran is wrong and his thinking sets a dangerous mindset.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: nerdowell, 5/7/2013 10:39:50 AM     (No. 9314518)

I recall hearing Obama declare that Bhengazi was his responsibility. It sounded so--presidential.

As I recall, this was during the Crowley-Obama tag-team debate match against Romney.
Of course, since this was stated during a campaign, it may not be binding.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Zarin, 5/7/2013 10:59:46 AM     (No. 9314552)

I just want The Truth to get out to all of America - especially the low information voters. Don´t jump the gun.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: SoCalGal, 5/7/2013 11:02:15 AM     (No. 9314557)

Those who drafted the Constitution added high crimes and misdemeanors because they believed that "treason" and "bribery" were insufficient. That other "dangerous" grounds needed to be covered. The meaning is still a subject of debate.

Here is an interesting essay on this from the Bubba days:

http://www.claremontmckenna.edu/salvatori/publications/impeachment_essay_042500.php

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Reply 13 - Posted by: SoCalGal, 5/7/2013 11:04:31 AM     (No. 9314565)

(cont´d)
From that essay:

Given this history, it is hardly surprising that scholars and politicians continue to disagree about the meaning of the phrase "high crimes and misdemeanors" as it was written into the Constitution of 1787. At best one is left with a few broad, albeit important, principles: first, consonant with the separation-of-powers principle, the standard for impeachment was not so low as to encourage Congress to make impeachment a routine means for checking the president; second, "high crimes and misdemeanors" included offenses that were not, strictly speaking, illegal; and third, "high crimes and misdemeanors" were generally associated with violations of a public trust and, in the major impeachment case of the time, involved actions which in some fashion undermined or ran contrary to the fundamental norms of sound rule. But what history does not provide is a coherent, code-like catalogue of what constitutes "high crimes and misdemeanors."

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Reply 14 - Posted by: earlybird, 5/7/2013 11:06:09 AM     (No. 9314569)

Re #12 and #13, sounds as though Moran needs to go and read that essay.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: earlybird, 5/7/2013 11:11:06 AM     (No. 9314580)

BTW, the drafters of that Claremont essay came to the conclusion that Clinton deserved impeachment. That his offenses rose to the level of "high crimes and misdemeanors".

That essay is so important - and fits Obie even more than it does Clinton - that I recommend you take the time to read it. It´s not that long and very worthwhile.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 5/7/2013 11:21:22 AM     (No. 9314603)

1- The big ´smoking gun´ hearing hasn´t happened yet.

2- The last hearing had only the testimony of State Dept. Toadies who were there to continue the Susan Rice comic opera.

3- Millhouse resigned.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: EQKimball, 5/7/2013 11:32:10 AM     (No. 9314616)

Dots are rarely connected in the circus atmosphere of congressional hearings, where members of Congress ask "questions" in the form of speeches, as they proceed round-robin style, never staying on the same subject. To connect the dots, the committee majority members must defer their own questions to a single interlocutor, i.e. a staff lawyer with significant prosecutorial experience, and let the Democrats make the speeches. But that´s no fun, and that´s why this could be a waste of time.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: DoktorFranken, 5/7/2013 11:42:20 AM     (No. 9314632)

#2 has the perfect retort to this article´s main question.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: DoktorFranken, 5/7/2013 11:43:55 AM     (No. 9314635)

#* - Nixon WAS NEVER Impeached. He RESIGNED.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: DoktorFranken, 5/7/2013 11:44:27 AM     (No. 9314636)

Sorry - I meant #8, NOT number asterisk!

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Reply 21 - Posted by: St. Pitbull, 5/7/2013 11:54:47 AM     (No. 9314650)

#6 - sounds about right. We are going to start down the path that obama or his underlings made a decision - and it was a bad decision, but it was based on the information that they had at the time (and there are going to be all sorts of people who will say, "I told him _______"). We will also be told that we should not expect to get the truth for matters of national security. It will get synthesized down to whether we impeach a president for a bad decision and then his efforts to protect national security. I think that its total BS and would like nothing more than to see the a-wipe impeached and imprisoned - but it won´t happen based upon what´s out there now. IMO

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Reply 22 - Posted by: dman, 5/7/2013 12:49:11 PM     (No. 9314766)

Nothing will happen with the "representation" - or lack thereof - the weak-kneed Republicans are providing in Congress. That is why they must be replaced by people with spines. With the GOP firmly in Establishment hands, a new party is the only way.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: earlybird, 5/7/2013 1:18:29 PM     (No. 9314821)

Re #16, on the last hearing (October 10, 2012), there was compelling testimony from Eric Nordstrom (who will testify again in the current hearing) and the Special Forces security officer whose name escapes me. The State Department "toadies" were exposed for being just that. Useless bureaucrats. The testimony of the other two made the toadies sound absolutely incompetent.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: earlybird, 5/7/2013 1:24:57 PM     (No. 9314838)

To refresh our memory on the October 10, 2012, hearing:

Although two high-ranking State Department officials—who had not visited Libya—defended the security arrangements in place there, two whistleblowers, who had been deployed to Libya to provide security to American diplomats, strongly argued that more resources should have been allocated to bolster security in an increasingly threatening environment.

Ambassador Patrick Kennedy, Undersecretary for Management, and Charlene Lamb, the Deputy Assistant Secretary responsible for diplomatic security, maintained that security arrangements were adequate. Lamb said, “We had the correct number of assets in Benghazi at the time of 9/11 for what had been agreed upon.” She denied that budget cuts had affected decision making on security arrangements, as some had charged.

But Lieutenant Colonel Andrew Wood, who had been deployed to provide security in Libya, testified that “diplomatic security remained weak” and that requests for additional security forces were denied by officials in Washington. “We were fighting a losing battle. We could not even keep what we had,” he said.


http://blog.heritage.org/2012/10/10/house-oversight-committee-probes-security-arrangements-at-libyan-diplomatic-mission/

Eric Norstrom, Regional Security Officer, concurred with Wood and gave powerful testimony that ran counter to Kennedy´s and Lamb´s.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: earlybird, 5/7/2013 1:25:44 PM     (No. 9314840)

Eric Nordstrom.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: mickturn, 5/7/2013 2:03:48 PM     (No. 9314923)

How about Treason...his Ambasador was giving weapons to our enemies with Obie´s full permission. Something went wrong...I suspect other terrorists got wind of the weapons deal and were peeved they weren´t included...hence the attack!

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Call it the million-worker mystery. A large chunk of American adults are no longer in the labor force. That has left economists divided over how many of them are voluntarily not working-or even looking for work-because they wanted to retire, go to school or take care of family members, versus how many have been forced out because they couldn´t find a job. (snip) Shierholz estimates that there are currently more than 5 million missing workers who are not included in the unemployment rate because they are neither working nor looking for work, but who might be if the job market

Bryan Cranston of ´Breaking Bad´:
Obamacare ´is fantastic´
despite ´growing pains´

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Washington Examiner, by Paul Bedard    Original Article
Posted By: AltaD- 4/7/2014 11:01:59 AM     Post Reply
Add Bryan Cranston, the star of TV´s recent hit "Breaking Bad" and a new Broadway play about former President Lyndon B. Johnson, to Team Obamacare. In an interview with Yahoo News “global anchor” Katie Couric, the actor called Obamacare the highlight of President Obama´s legacy. “Now’s the time to stake a claim to leave your legacy,” he encouraged Obama. “I personally believe that his health care program is fantastic. Yes, there are problems. Anything worth while is going to go through a growing pains period. But this is his legacy and I think it’s a great one because I don’t


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