“You can live in your little dream world.” That’s Glenn Beck‘s advice for anyone who didn’t see the similarities between the lockdown in Boston earlier this month and Nazi Germany. On his radio show today, Beck reflected on time he spent at Auschwitz and how the police going door to door to search for the Boston Marathon bombing suspect reminded him of how the Nazis searched for Jews during the Holocaust. The “frightening looking” photo that inspired Beck’s rant was originally posted on (where else?) Alex
As I watched the occupation of Boston unfold on TV, I felt very uncomfortable with the heavy handedness of the govt, the illegal searches, and the easy compliance of the populace. And afterwards they cheer it, and call themselves brave and "strong". All for one wounded teenager. I thought my curmudgeon side had gotten the best of me. It seemed I was the only one who felt this way.
The Gestapo never had all the neat gear that our paramilitary police have today - full autp rifles, body armor, armored cars, drones, no-knock warrants, cool "tactical" sunglasses, kneepads, Glocks.....
Unfortunately it takes so long for the paramilitaries to get dressed up in their costumes that the bad guys have plenty of extra time to get away.
Now that the terrorists have been run to ground some of us feel free to nit pick those involved in the pursuit. We could have been more polite, moved more slowly and having to answer for the terrorists bombing Times Square. Well done, all concerned! Thank God we had one smoker that was concerned about his boat!
Thank you # 2. I agree. I like Beck and used to watch him on Fox but somewhere along the line he stepped off the reality train. I think he misunderstood our appreciation for what he´s doing as our love of him, instead.
I sort of see his point; but it is hard to imagine Nazi Germany and the SS while looking at the Massachusetts State Police, "Staties", as they are called. A few were fit, but most of them looked 50 pounds overweight. How they pass the fitness test is tribute to union negotiations, to get the standards lowered; 5-hour Energy, to get them across the finish line; and Dr. Scholls, because they all look like their feet hurt.
I agree with #2 and kind of suspect that people would have been more discontent if the police (and other authorities) had taken a casual attitude to this situation. If this terrorist had taken someone hostage and was trying to lay low inside their house, the police would have been remiss not to uncover that situation.
In any case, I think to be able to truly judge how this was handled, I think I´d need to have been on the scene.
I watched that clip where the platoon of SWAT people in full battle regalia rousted people out of their house, hands up, and ran them down the street for further frisking and searching, and all I could see were scenes from Nazi Germany with Jews being treated exactly, EXACTLY MIND YOU, that way. People, this government is doing its best to acclimatize us to this kind of treatment. A TSA moron fumbling with our genitals just so we can travel. Random road block at all hours of the day and night. Random locker searches in grade schools. "Don´t step outside" edicts. Quasi martial law. Warrantless searches. Drones looking down our shorts. Military exercises (we just finished with marines practicing vertical insertion training via Osprey last week) on domestic civilian territory. If you think all this is just good clean para military fun then you ARE living in a dream world. I prefer to see it as a creeping infringement on the freedoms I used to enjoy as a US citizen. History tells me that this is not going to a good end. Wake up America!
And if bomber #2 had not found safe haven in that boat,
he may have been in one of those searched houses with an arsenal of bombs and guns and a knife or two,
may have killed the man/men of the house and may have been ready to start killing the women folk one by one,
until his demands for a fast bullet train to NYC had been granted.
Just what were the cops supposed to do? Get a search warrant for each and every house in Watertown?
AND: If this dirtbag was in one of those houses holding a knife to the throat of a 9 year old daughter when the cops knocked on the door, do you really think that the parent who answered the cops request for entry to search would have granted access.
This is not a Civil Rights or Forth Amendment issue. Its just some heads stuck where the sun don´t shine right beside Glenn Beck´s head!
I believe this issue has been through the courts enough times that no one in Boston is going to go to jail over it.
The cops were in effect, “In Hot Pursuit” of the subject even though they had lost sight of him at the shoot-out.
PS: Beck has made this into an issue because he has a new book due out this week.
PPS: Did you all know that every call into Beck´s radio show is a scripted and rehearse act?
I have trouble defending The extent of the police/military response when I see the pictures of folks being forced from their homes, at gun point, hands in the air, roused from bed and still partially clothed.....
I´ll secure my own house, thank you very much, officer. We´re fine here. No warrant? Move along.
#9 I saw the same video and was appalled. What if I wanted to stay in my house with my own gun and protection? Sorry. Barney Fife with with the full auto M4 and full body armor gives me the ultimatum to leave or be taken out forcefully and charged.
Reminds me of Katrina. Law abiding citizens had their only means of protection stolen from them by the same SS clowns.
In neither case was Martial Law ever legally enacted.
I would like to have seen someone take Joe Biden´s advice and simply sent a shotgun blast through the front door when the SS goons came knocking.
Poster 2 - it is the ease with which the citizenry acquiesed to the government "militerized"-up police that is alarming to people who understand the constitution. These are the sheeple who vote democrat, who love the government hand outs, who are NOT ALLOWED to own a gun in the city of Boston or the surrounding towns. How do I know? I have a family member there. These are "sanctuary cities"
These are the people who gave you Obowtomao for a second reign. Their common cry is "the government owes me", "the government needs to take care of me!" and then when it is all over these morons run out beat their chests and crow about "don´t mess with us!!!!" and get tattoos that say "BOSTON STRONG".
It was and is a sickening display by an ignorant electrate who probably know NOTHING about what happend in Germany and Europe in the 30´s.
Not sure if the nazi comparison is appropriate, however, anyone who does not believe we are turning into a police state is obviously living in a dream world. Cameras everywhere, police as well armed as our military, drones in the skies, computer snooping that knows everything about your purchases and banking and internet activities, black boxes in your cars, tsa groping grandma. Need I say more? Did I forget a few things?
I´m not sure if Glenn Beck is a sincere idiot or a cynical propagandist. His likening Nazis hunting down Jews to imprison and murder, to our cops and feds hunting down a murdering Islamofascist terrorist is obscene.
Yesterday on his radio show Beck said that when a corporations stock price goes up, the corp gets more cash to fund R & D. Then a caller corrected him, and he and his two hooting chimp sycophants heaped ignorant derision on the caller. Beck either doesn´t know the first thing about finance, or he ha a rel contempt for the intelligence of his audience.
The core attitude is the same. Both the Nazi government and the U.S. government believe that federal power is supremely important. At the slightest provocation the federal government illegally abandons the Constitution.
It would not take much to overnight turn the U.S. government into a death-camp-running totalitarian nightmare.
I still remember the incident where men dressed in gear and rifles breaking into a private home to rip a little boy away from relatives to return him to Cuba. Remember? This happened under a Democrat President.
Remember Reno? I am extremely uneasy with this type of manuver. It is scary. Advising people to stay inside and seek safety seems more civil.
Professor Beck´s observations have some merit. Let´s turn back the clock this morning and review again what our undocumented Marxist POTUS, holder of a social security number issued in the State of Connecticut, had to say during his first presidential campaign:
"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we´ve set. We´ve got to have a civilian national security force that´s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."
Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama Boulder, Colorado July 2, 2008
The similarity is not in the rounding up of people for extermination; it is in the violation of the basic right--enshrined in our Constitution--to be free from government intrusions into our homes and private property. What right did the police have to make law-abiding citizens come out with their hands up? What would have happened if someone had refused to come out? Would they have been shot? Where was the probably cause? I think Beck is right.
I don´t watch or listen to Beck ... I do think his remarks about Nazi Germany are off the wall. Having said that I also think the posse of armed swat teams and vehicles were appalling. The posse was also ineffective in capturing the lone fugitive.
I might add that those in charge seemed unable to do much more than issue a lot of misinformation.
Here´s my question. If law enforcement knew who they were looking for, then why, as citizens were exiting their homes, could they not just say, ´Nope, not this one´, and why were they required to go down the street to be searched? Searched for what?
Beck´s point here was about the uniformed thug standing in an urban assault vehicle pointing a rifle directly at a person with the temerity to stand a his window observing the jack-booted thugs rousting citizens from their homs at gunpoint. When the SS came to round up the Jews, Gypsies, Catholics, evangelical Christians, etc., the neighbors NEVER looked out the windows under direct fear of their families deaths. The Nazis only had to do it a very few times before the populace was bullied into compliance. The sheeple of Boston learned quickly too. This was Beck´s point and if you can look a pictures of what happened in Watertown and not get it-you are dense.
Say what you will about Beck, but he usually turns out to be right and prescient. Go back and look at what he was saying a few years ago that sounded crazy and you´ll find that you´re living it right now.
Any way you look at it, America is in a world of hurt. No matter what, America will never be the same. Voting will not change what is happening to us. It was "our side" that started Homeland Security. It was "our side" that started the bail-outs. It was "our side" that called citizens protecting our Southern borders vigilantes. Suck it up and try to be as self reliant as possible.
The situation in Watertown is a perfect example of how the police (local and/or state) react to crime - they rarely ever prevent it. That one 19 year old wounded man could, in effect, hold an entire community hostage says a lot about all the billions of tax dollars wasted (IMO) in the so called war on terror.
Interesting to read the comments on the Mediaite website. What you would expect from regular viewers of Chris Matthews.
Gangs of swat teams in full military gear shutting down a major US city for a day and a half, marching residents out of their own homes at gunpoint with their hands over their heads and these squishes think it is completely acceptable and even something to be admired!
We are teetering on the edge of the abyss and everyone seems to tbink it is a fun ride at Disneyland.
I agree entirely with Beck. There´s nothing in the 4th Amendment that allows an exception to search a private home without a warrant. Regardless of the nobility of the cause or the noble intentions of the police/guard, they needed search warrants. Pointing guns at people with their hands up who are obviously NOT the perpetrator was totally out of line.
The issue of local, state, and federal police acting on orders from their respective chains of command, taking it upon themselves to suspend well enshrined 4th amendment rights due to their definition of exigent circumstances begs to be discussed calmly and openly. By inserting the Nazi analogy, however descriptive and appropriate, Beck becomes the lightening rod, thus rendering further discussion subordinate to one´s ideological predisposition.
Keep in mind that the tactical units had a large presence of federal law enforcement officers, particularly FBI and ATF. Individual FBI agents, well versed in 4th amendment restrictions on their authority, chose to follow the suspension of 4th amendment restrictions without question. No one said, "this isn´t the way we do things in America." Further, SWAT units rely on force of action. Their very training and common employment justification (get known bad guys based on good intelligence) is antithetical to going door to door in a neighborhood where tactical intelligence is sorely lacking.
The issue is deserving of well informed debate. Doing this in a Boston suburb, where the party ID is overwhelmingly of the pro-big government ilk is one thing. Had this been a suburb of Dallas, Houston, OKC, LR, Nashville, KC, Omaha, Rapid City, Louisville, Charlotte, or Tallahassee the outcome could have been tragically different.
#10, before I join you in writing that blank check for law enforcement I have to wonder about a few things. There were multiple levels of LEOs with every homeland security gizmo they could fit into the streets. All of their training and tactics resulted in over 200 shots fired and neither suspect was put down. Then in the midst of the standoff a 19 year old could attempt to run them over and drive through the ´roadblock´ and travel for 5 blocks without pursuit from land or air. OK, it was dark and maybe none of the SWAT types had night-vision or thermal or a decent scope. How does a shot up SUV drive away? Then where is the dog to find the escapee? Smell the seat, run him down. He was bleeding as the boat owner saw when he checked his boat. No dog could find that trail?
Someone should be demoted, but that won´t happen. Instead sheeple will applaud any new laws to give LEOs even more power. Most of the Mediaite fans think they will only go after gun owning Republicans. So, it will probably work out great.
I watched the video; taken from someone´s front room window. It was stunning. At one house a little girl answers the door and finds armed thugs pointing guns at her. (anyone remember Elian Gonzales) The next pix shows her family being ushered down the steps of the house with guns trained. Another one is a guy who doesn´t answer his door in a timely manner and is dragged out of his house and commanded to put his hands in the air. Teams were dressed in military type uniforms. Others were dressed as police. Some had smiling faces. I recall the FBI at Ruby Ridge taking pleasure in shooting Mrs Weaver. How about the torching of the Branch Davidians. Some of these people are boot legged thugs and seem to take great pleasure in intimidating innocent people. Boston et al are wusses.
Thank you, #11 and #20! The abuse that the Boston PD inflicted on its citizens is a violation of constitutional rights. That citizens allowed their homes to be trampled through by those thugs, makes me sick. Now that the precedent is set, does that mean those folks can expect other police searches when Walgreen´s reports a shoplifter on the loose? Or what about someone who is delinquent on parking tickets? Where does this stop?? I can tell you that I´m ready to cooperate with anyone with a warrant. But if anyone shows up on my doorstep wanting a free tour of my house, they better be prepared to leave with a belly full of lead. God bless, Glen Beck. He is one of the few leaders we have who tries to educate and protect us.
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