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Surveillance’s dark downside
New York Daily News, by James Warren

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Posted By:FlyRight, 4/28/2013 7:15:42 AM

Admit that you were transfixed by surveillance video of Boston’s brother bombers. It was quintessential “Gotcha!” for the noblest of causes. Testament to technology trumping wrongdoing, it gave cause for relief. Knock on wood, too, that the cops could track the cell phone left in the Mercedes SUV hijacked by one bomber. And those Google Maps aerial shots of the boat were pretty neat, right? The same technology, of course, can catch your everyday non-terrorist running a red light, parking illegally at a Dunkin’ Donuts or smooching with someone not your spouse.


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Rinktum, 4/28/2013 8:02:36 AM     (No. 9300050)

Just because we can do something doesn´t mean we should. I am sure we all agree that surveillance is great when it helps catch the bad guy. It gets dicey when it is used for entertainment by the those who operate the camera or worse when it is used by a malevolent government. Human nature being what it is, it could easily be abused for either reason.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: OhMy, 4/28/2013 8:07:15 AM     (No. 9300055)

The dark downside of surveillance is that it´s application is political. The gubmint had lots of information on the Boston Bombers but refused to use it because it was politically incorrect. Read today´s Clarice Feldman about how the military and FBI manuals are cleansed by muslims of references to muslim threats and how it is a career ender for an agent to follow a muslim threat. Yet the government uses the bombing to set up more surveillance. If they start to use this to harass any citizen they could make any law abiding citizen look bad. Real threats are ignored and law abiding people are targeted. Is this not unreasonable search and seizure? There should be no more surveillance until the government uses the information they have to hunt down the real threats!

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Reply 3 - Posted by: chumley, 4/28/2013 8:28:11 AM     (No. 9300075)

Thankfully I live in the country where such intrusion is not yet common. I cannot imagine living in one of the peoples republiks (like New York or LA) where your every move is seen and recorded, and it is so common you no longer think about it.
Yet, muggers and drug dealers can continue on as always. Why is that? I thought these cameras stopped crime.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: chipper, 4/28/2013 9:03:24 AM     (No. 9300112)

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Reply 5 - Posted by: chipper, 4/28/2013 9:06:06 AM     (No. 9300113)

And remember, the surveillance did not prevent the crime and for that matter it did not catch the criminals. The two guys admitted to the SUV owner that they were the perps and he, for all intents and purposes, caught them.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: LoneVoice, 4/28/2013 9:16:21 AM     (No. 9300134)

If you live in the country you´re not immune from surveillance.
That´s what drones are for.
If you do anything online you could be monitored by NSA.
If you have a cell phone you can be tracked by its built in GPS.

On the other hand most of us are not interesting enough for the government to bother with monitoring.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Dodge Boy, 4/28/2013 9:27:17 AM     (No. 9300147)

Aside from distrust of the Obie administration, spying on our own people is the very reason I am not a facebooker.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Chuzzles, 4/28/2013 9:29:18 AM     (No. 9300149)

Dittos to posts #1 & #2.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: MDConservative, 4/28/2013 9:41:03 AM     (No. 9300166)

In the wake of 9/11 there were many, many posters here advocating more surveillance. Typically their posts ended with "I don´t care because I´m not doing anything wrong." Don´t see them much these days. Information about individuals is taken everytime you go on the internet. We give away scads of personal information, and the government buys it rather than collects it. Then, when the time comes, it can be used - no warrants necessary. That´s not tin hat crazythink - that´s the way it is. Start with your credit report. Combine that with your public records, from birth to death, drivers license, traffic and criminal records, voting records, tax records, and the list goes on. And you got nothing to hide...we´ll see. You trust your government, too.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: LZK, 4/28/2013 9:41:08 AM     (No. 9300167)

I agree 100% with poster #1....

Obviously WE have the surveillance at this point to pin/point these bombers. So why add more?


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Reply 11 - Posted by: M2, 4/28/2013 10:29:58 AM     (No. 9300238)

In the hands of venal and vindictive people like our POTUS and his Administration or in the hands of liberals in general, the technology is very scary. It´s necessary in these times though.

That said, it wouldn´t BE necessary to the degree it is were we as tough on crime as, say, the Israelis. If we actually kept criminals behind bars or at Gitmo, if we actually enforced our laws, little such surveillance of the general public wouldn´t be needed.

As for me, I´m not doing anything wrong except being a conservative, which is a crime in the eyes of the "guards" doing the guarding.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: mc squared, 4/28/2013 10:34:54 AM     (No. 9300241)

If Chicago has over 10,000 cameras why is it the murder capitol of the country?

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Reply 13 - Posted by: chicodon, 4/28/2013 10:57:02 AM     (No. 9300269)


This is just the beginning. There is going to be facial recognition via higher resolution coming next. At the next Tea Party gathering (if there is one) folks better keep their eyes to the skies and smile.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: RancherJack, 4/28/2013 11:24:49 AM     (No. 9300320)

Security, Privacy, Convenience

Chose two

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Reply 15 - Posted by: stryker714, 4/28/2013 12:19:40 PM     (No. 9300399)

#2 has the correct idea. What is up with this ridiculous flow chart of the government that we give up privacy for security? Sooo we have all these cameras in metro cities, email surveillance, Texting surveillance, cell phone/gps locating, etc etc and for what? We´ve still had five terrorist attacks since bamboozler took office, so just how is all this surveillance making any difference? So the government spies on American citizens under the pretense of catching foreign terrorists and then does not do so: Just look at all of their failures! Many of the measures they´ve implemented are not geared to necessarily catch foreign terrorists.

In regards to cameras everywhere some may argue they work because they intimidate but they only are useful to catch people after the crime, given the results so far. Nothing proactive there and does the American public think lazy security personnel are keeping their eyes glued to that many cameras? Ha-hardly.

Sorry have to disagree with you #13, all one has to do is wear a broad rimmed hat like a boonie hat or strawberry picking hat to cut down on a plane´s reconnaisance perspective. No, absolutely do NOT look up into the sky, lol. In metro cities just tilt the head down in direction of any camera while wearing a hat and problem solved. Even a baseball cap will suffice.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: peterfleming, 4/28/2013 5:17:40 PM     (No. 9300644)

Imagine the elitist Bushs, Clintons, Hussein, Soros, Buffet, Cheney, a few Halliburton and UN people, in a secretive location, planning another freedom destroying move after the next big crisis (and it´s irrelevant to all of them, who staged it and how many died). They all laugh knowing JFK and MLK fake investigations will never be uncovered. That was precedent #1. All smug that six armored divisions murdered the Waco family, and the public ignored the open brutality. They gloat over the open deception to a dully accepting citizenry that fertilizer could rip apart a five story Oklahoma building. They all laugh uproariously when 9-11 provided a virtual hammerlock on freedom with the absurdly mis-named Patriot Act and nazi like Homeland Security. To tighten down America, "we had to have a big one". Now, look what we pulled off in Boston ! A big enough crisis to Declare Martial Law, instantly stripping away ALL citizens rights within the dictated jurisdiction. All this freedom stealing takes place while our “leaders” constantly raise tax theft, try to confiscate guns, sell drugs via a vast criminal underworld cartel, try to allow uncountable millions of aliens to vote, use welfare, bear citizens, and drive illegally. Downward pressure on all citizen´s rights, follow each freedom destroying disaster. After each crisis, rights punishment goes almost unnoticed with censoring help of the rich, traitorous likes of Diane Sawyer, etc.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: theeo, 4/28/2013 6:10:06 PM     (No. 9300690)

They await the moment, hundreds of thousands of them, each one a walking destruction for the few or the many around them, each one undetected and deadly and targeting the Politically Correct government agents destroying America´s freedoms. "We The People" are the unseen whom you don´t know so you´ll bring them close and then "We The People" strike time and time and time again. God Bless America

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Reply 18 - Posted by: dman, 4/28/2013 6:24:41 PM     (No. 9300699)

Ben Franklin had it right, circa 1755.

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