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Stephen Hawking lays out case
for Big Bang without God

Science on NBC News, by Rod Pyle

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Posted By:Hermoine, 4/17/2013 9:22:07 PM

Our universe didn´t need any divine help to burst into being, famed cosmologist Stephen Hawking told a packed house here at the California Institute of Technology Tuesday night. Many people had begun queuing up for free tickets to Hawking´s 8:00 p.m lecture, titled "The Origin of the Universe," 12 hours earlier. By 6:00 p.m. local time, the line was about a quarter-mile long. SNIP He noted that many people still seek a divine solution to counter the theories of curious physicists...

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Pure ridiculousness...can anyone decipher for me the "case" he laid out and how we even know what he´s actually saying...as I don´t believe a computer can decipher what we´re thinking.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: yuban, 4/17/2013 9:28:54 PM     (No. 9281443)

He is a con man. Another Al Gore.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: VinGoombatz, 4/17/2013 9:30:09 PM     (No. 9281447)

Necessity and contingency.

Scientists have had a lot of fun with contingency.

Can´t touch necessity.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: artman1746, 4/17/2013 9:31:16 PM     (No. 9281450)

Those wishing to discount the existence of God will accept any explanation to hold on to their disbelief. And they will accuse us believers of the same.

But in OUR case, it´s called FAITH. No one demands that you have it. It´s solely your own choice. Looking at a living being and believing all of our biology and body chemistry was somehow randomly put together is like believing you could cast the parts of a car into the ocean and the currents would, given enough time, put a car together. By the way, my science degree is in biology and chemistry.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: thatsomewhereplace, 4/17/2013 9:39:35 PM     (No. 9281459)

Hawkings is a cochroach.


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Reply 5 - Posted by: Aud, 4/17/2013 9:40:18 PM     (No. 9281461)

Isn´t the argument from authority always considered weakest? The authority in this case being a physicist.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Scottyboy, 4/17/2013 9:40:42 PM     (No. 9281462)

His opinion . . .
No different than anyone´s else

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Reply 7 - Posted by: mitzi, 4/17/2013 9:41:56 PM     (No. 9281463)

A second auditorium and a Jumbotron-equipped lawn, which itself was jammed with an estimated 1,000 viewers, were needed to handle the crowd.

According to reports I read a bit earlier, 50,000 tickets were distributed for today´s Papal audience, and it was estimated there were an additional 10,000 people (gate crashers) present.

We win!

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Revolution76, 4/17/2013 9:41:57 PM     (No. 9281464)

At the end of the day, there is only God. No sad atheist scientist can change that.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: tomanderson61, 4/17/2013 9:42:44 PM     (No. 9281466)

If mankind is the best there is and there is no God, get yourself out of your wheelchair and talk normally, loser.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: hot coffee, 4/17/2013 9:45:38 PM     (No. 9281470)

Whenever I see anything about Hawking, I can only think of his history with sex clubs. I don´t know whether to laugh or vomit.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Hermoine, 4/17/2013 9:52:18 PM     (No. 9281477)

#11 -- Ultimately, here´s my question about Hawking -- can he really communicate with us via his computer or are his handlers pulling all the strings and he´s simply an incapacitated puppet?

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Rivetjoint, 4/17/2013 9:53:55 PM     (No. 9281482)

I´ll never forget the recent talk by a big bang doubter who compared such a concept as being similar to blowing up a print shop and expecting the encyclopedia to emerge.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: quark, 4/17/2013 9:55:00 PM     (No. 9281486)

FTA: "M-theory posits that multiple universes are created out of nothing, Hawking explained, with many possible histories and many possible states of existence."

I´m still waiting for explanation of the creation of something out of ´nothing´.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: mitzi, 4/17/2013 9:55:42 PM     (No. 9281489)

#11 - I think he´s an "incapacitated puppet."

His handlers are simply using his status promote their own theories.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Freeloader, 4/17/2013 10:00:07 PM     (No. 9281496)

MEMO TO: Professor Stephen Hawking

FROM: THE BOOK OF PSALMS 14:1

"The fool has said in his heart, ´There is no God.´ They are corrupt, they have done abominable deeds, there is none that does good."

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Hazymac, 4/17/2013 10:09:12 PM     (No. 9281510)

When was anything ever organized by imploding or exploding?

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Reply 17 - Posted by: 4LadyK, 4/17/2013 10:12:22 PM     (No. 9281519)

He´s going to be VERY surprised when he dies. And then very miserable for eternity.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Geminale, 4/17/2013 10:15:06 PM     (No. 9281523)

Stephen is angry at God because he has not been healed of his illness. This is why most people become atheists. It´s not because they don´t believe in God, they just don´t like Him or the "no" answer He gave.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: skedaddle, 4/17/2013 10:26:09 PM     (No. 9281545)

I bet if Stephen Hawking thought there was a God none of us would have ever heard of him. Most of the media is very pro-Satan.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Muguy, 4/17/2013 10:28:53 PM     (No. 9281551)

Boy is Hawking going to be surprised when he faces the white throne judgement and his name is not in the Book of Life!

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Reply 21 - Posted by: KTWO, 4/17/2013 10:29:23 PM     (No. 9281552)

No harm in his speculation.

I doubt theology will tell us more about the origin of the universe.

And unless or until some amazing new theory or experiment reforms physics I expect Hawkings is wasting his time.

There is an interesting play on words.

Roughly: "Before the universe existed nothing existed and nothing was impossible. Because nothing was impossible something had to exist. And here we are."

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Reply 22 - Posted by: dman, 4/17/2013 10:46:30 PM     (No. 9281583)

All we know is that we (including Hawking) simply do not know. Many speculate, but nobody knows.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Mushroom, 4/17/2013 11:01:01 PM     (No. 9281612)

No matter what I type I will irritate someone´s core beliefs. For that I am sorry.
I married a Baptist PK..I have my own problems.
I tend to fall on the science side of viewing the world. My belief is science is establishing the framework that God put down. Not much different than a child tearing apart a toy to see how it works.
I do not place limitations on how God makes changes or molds creation. The Bible says 6 days. The Bible doesn´t define a ´day´. My view is this and many other passages were written to be understood by man at the time. Do you tell a child a pregnant woman has a baby in her belly, rather than explain the process and actual plumbing involved?
Regardless of what any physicist or group thereof may prove you still have to have the building blocks or as one old joke says, get your own dirt.
The noble task is to learn how. Not why.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: dr fate, 4/17/2013 11:10:54 PM     (No. 9281622)

Big Bang Theory: First there was nothing-then it exploded!

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Reply 25 - Posted by: nashville, 4/17/2013 11:11:23 PM     (No. 9281623)

The Big Bang was a local event...

Wrap your head around that Stephen.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: smcchk, 4/17/2013 11:27:59 PM     (No. 9281643)

Exactly right, #18. Still struggle with that myself, as many do.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: bob913, 4/17/2013 11:44:43 PM     (No. 9281678)

We are but a drop of protozoa on a microscope slide slowly spreading out in some aliens laboratory.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: ebuilder, 4/17/2013 11:44:57 PM     (No. 9281680)

Someday when atheists are called to account, I´m guessing they are going to be asked just what shape, or form, or spirit man they could not help but reference when they referred to "God." Because words have meaning. Words are like paper money backed up by real silver or gold. Does the word "God" refuse to exist with any meaning? If I say "God" do you get "god" or "godde" or "gwdnx" or "goddess?" "Nothingness" has a complex meaning. Does a mathematician like our friend, working on his critical path towards the exactly right answer, presume to use terms that are unknowable and absurdist so as to lead to nowhere? What would this reveal about the science? Well we could drop it down to T.S. Eliot´s formula of emotions, his "objective correlative." Steve, yet to be redeemed child of God, did you not have a word meaning, or an aesthetic object, or "significant form", or "objective correlative" when you typed out "God" over and over again. Or more likely, because the designs of God are self evident that He might show off and reveal Himself in His own time and His own way, was it Steve a game you played in your heart, the missing meaning thing, maybe for a little power and attention and maybe a little sympathy?

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Reply 29 - Posted by: kono, 4/18/2013 1:08:02 AM     (No. 9281754)

It´s not really out of nothing that the matter comes, according to the theory (which posits that matter and energy are interchangeable). Matter spontaneously forms from minor energy fluctuations. That still leaves unanswered what causes those ´energy fluctuations´.

Whether multi-verse, cyclical bang-crunch-bang, steady state, or any other material explanation of the origins of the universe, the question remains, "what caused that?"

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Reply 30 - Posted by: Sunhan65, 4/18/2013 1:18:33 AM     (No. 9281768)

Hawking is a singular intellect in an extraordinarily difficult field of scientific inquiry. The comments about his illness above are beneath the dignity of this site and discredit the posters. None of which makes Professor Hawking´s opinions about music more valid than mine. Likewise his personal opinions about other non-scientific subjects--e.g. the existence and nature of a deity--should be treated with skeptical forbearance and discounted accordingly.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: octrojan, 4/18/2013 1:52:00 AM     (No. 9281790)

It´s not that complicated, #23. God is outside of time. Time is meaningless to Him--he sees the past, present and future, so the concept of a "day" is for our benefit, not His.What´s he supposed to say to an ancient tribe of wanderers: "let there be light, then 10 billion years later, the Sun and earth are formed, then a couple billion years later some primordial soup, then 500M years of bacteria..."

Genesis isn´t a science book.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: UNCDoc, 4/18/2013 5:24:13 AM     (No. 9281856)

#31, that is exactly the right response.
And I have been in science my entire career, and I fail to see how there is a "science" side versus a "theology" side. The daily wonder I still feel about creation and the miracles I see every single day have done far more to strengthen my faith than diminish it.
As usual, mankind is found sorely deficient in the humility department.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: Hermoine, 4/18/2013 9:34:36 AM     (No. 9282183)

Set aside the theological debate for a moment, here´s what I have a hard time believing:

http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-computer.html

Does this really work or are we trusting that his "handlers" tell us that it works or are we simply getting their perspective or thoughts and he´s just their tool. I´m just skeptical that the man is truly capable of communicating with the outside world (due to his very severe illness).




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Reply 34 - Posted by: jorgecito, 4/18/2013 9:40:05 AM     (No. 9282194)

#30, while I would not post mocking comments about Hawking´s illness, I think it is fair to criticize his capitalizing on his disabled state, which has somehow been worked to confer a sort of cult status on him.

Hawking may have an interesting mind, and an interesting pont of view on some topics; but the public fawning over him is repellant.



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Reply 35 - Posted by: Rafter, 4/18/2013 3:21:58 PM     (No. 9283111)

Hawking´s cult status is similar to that of the fictional zero-hero Forrest Gump...
in the same way nutty followers believe in algwhore-zero´s nutsense on MMGW...
Forrest Gump, Forrest Gore, Stephen Hawking...
Go figger.
Explained by the fact we live in a very strange universe... ?

A "Big Bang" (actually a rapid inflation of space itself) might have been a local event.

The information I like best can be found as follows...
"The Big Bang Never Happened" book by Eric Lerner, a Columbia Univ trained physicist
who worked with Nobel Physics laureate (1970) Hans Alfgen of Sweden...

See Eric Lerner´s current website for his latest arguments, evidence, points...

Summarizing it... plasma physics, electro-magnetic forces, universe observed to be
more than 80 billion years old, possibly infinite in space and time,
in which case would be no beginning and no end, universe evolving toward more effecient energy, mankind is a part of that.

Lerner points out it is well known that superclusters of galaxies exist which
cannot have formed in less than 80 billion years, based on accurate observations.

Hans Alfgen (spelling?) has an interesting and very worthy bio on Wikipedia...
He was distinguished by half a dozen major achievements in mainstream physics...
Regarded Big Bang as nonfactual, nonplausible, not in keeping with observations.

Since he was honest, accurate, modest, and factual... almost no one in our type of
universe would notice or heed him. But you are free to find out all about this...

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ran over young boy ruled NOT
a hate crime by Detroit police

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Daily Mail [UK], by Ryan Gorman    Original Article
Posted By: Ribicon- 4/4/2014 5:01:05 PM     Post Reply
A 54-year-old white man has been left barely clinging to life after he was brutally beaten by a group of black men when he got out of his car to check on a young black boy he accidentally hit. Steve Utash, from suburban Roseville, was beaten into a coma Wednesday by an angry mob in a poverty-stricken Detroit neighborhood after David Harris, 10, ran in front of his truck on a busy street, but police insist the incident was not racially motivated. The gang also stole his wallet before leaving him for dead. Utash is in extremely critical

Networks Refuse Obama Request for
Primetime to Announce Obamacare
Hitting 7 Million Mark

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Mediaite, by Noah Rothman    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/3/2014 7:04:57 PM     Post Reply
According to a report via BuzzFeed’s Evan McMorris-Santoro, President Barack Obama requested the opportunity to address the nation in prime time on the major broadcast networks on Tuesday night to announce that the Affordable Care Act had reached 7 million enrollees. Those networks did not, however, accommodate the White House’s request. “Three sources familiar with the request confirmed the White House asked for the prime time slot in their effort both to emphasize a bright moment following the challenging roll out and, more important, to try to reintroduce the country to a law that remains unpopular,”

Gov’t Spent $700 Million
Promoting Obamacare

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Washington Free Beacon [DC], by Elizabeth Harrington    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/3/2014 10:38:14 PM     Post Reply
President Barack Obama contended that the government did not “make a hard sell” for Obamacare, despite his administration spending nearly $700 million to promote the law. “We didn’t make a hard sell,” Obama said in the Rose Garden on Tuesday, praising the 7.1 million sign ups for the Affordable Care Act. “We didn’t have billions of dollars of commercials like some critics did.” However, last July the Associated Press reported that Obamacare’s marketing campaign would cost at least $684 million. Taxpayer funding went to all 50 states in efforts to encourage people to enroll, including nearly $28 million for the

Eric Holder defends using Justice
Department airplane for 27 personal trips

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Washington Examiner (DC), by Joel Gehrke    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/4/2014 9:34:34 PM     Post Reply
Attorney General Eric Holder disputed a Government Accountability Office report on his use of Justice Department airplanes for personal trips, saying it overstated the number of trips he took and failed to recognize that some trips were job-related. "My staff keeps telling me to take it easy, you know, well, this is one that gets me," Holder told Rep. Frank Wolf, R-Va., during a House Appropriations subcommittee hearing. "There was this notion that we´ve taken -- I think it was described as hundreds of personal trips. That was wrong. GAO counted flights, not round trips. And we looked at it

If You Think YOU Can’t Name A Hillary
Accomplishment, Wait Til You See HER Try

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Independent Journal Review, by Mike Miller    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 4/5/2014 5:15:26 AM     Post Reply
Following her speech at the “Women of the World Summit” in New York City on Thursday, Hillary Clinton was asked this simple question by a moderator: “When you look at your time as Secretary of State, what are you most proud of? And what do you feel was unfinished, and maybe have another crack at one day?” Here are a few excerpts from her response: ”Look, I really see my role as Secretary, in fact leadership in general in a democracy, as a relay race. When you run the best race you can run, you hand off the baton.” “Some


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