Our universe didn´t need any divine help to burst into being, famed cosmologist Stephen Hawking told a packed house here at the California Institute of Technology Tuesday night. Many people had begun queuing up for free tickets to Hawking´s 8:00 p.m lecture, titled "The Origin of the Universe," 12 hours earlier. By 6:00 p.m. local time, the line was about a quarter-mile long. SNIP He noted that many people still seek a divine solution to counter the theories of curious physicists...
Comments: Pure ridiculousness...can anyone decipher for me the "case" he laid out and how we even know what he´s actually saying...as I don´t believe a computer can decipher what we´re thinking.
Those wishing to discount the existence of God will accept any explanation to hold on to their disbelief. And they will accuse us believers of the same.
But in OUR case, it´s called FAITH. No one demands that you have it. It´s solely your own choice. Looking at a living being and believing all of our biology and body chemistry was somehow randomly put together is like believing you could cast the parts of a car into the ocean and the currents would, given enough time, put a car together. By the way, my science degree is in biology and chemistry.
Stephen is angry at God because he has not been healed of his illness. This is why most people become atheists. It´s not because they don´t believe in God, they just don´t like Him or the "no" answer He gave.
No matter what I type I will irritate someone´s core beliefs. For that I am sorry. I married a Baptist PK..I have my own problems. I tend to fall on the science side of viewing the world. My belief is science is establishing the framework that God put down. Not much different than a child tearing apart a toy to see how it works. I do not place limitations on how God makes changes or molds creation. The Bible says 6 days. The Bible doesn´t define a ´day´. My view is this and many other passages were written to be understood by man at the time. Do you tell a child a pregnant woman has a baby in her belly, rather than explain the process and actual plumbing involved? Regardless of what any physicist or group thereof may prove you still have to have the building blocks or as one old joke says, get your own dirt. The noble task is to learn how. Not why.
Someday when atheists are called to account, I´m guessing they are going to be asked just what shape, or form, or spirit man they could not help but reference when they referred to "God." Because words have meaning. Words are like paper money backed up by real silver or gold. Does the word "God" refuse to exist with any meaning? If I say "God" do you get "god" or "godde" or "gwdnx" or "goddess?" "Nothingness" has a complex meaning. Does a mathematician like our friend, working on his critical path towards the exactly right answer, presume to use terms that are unknowable and absurdist so as to lead to nowhere? What would this reveal about the science? Well we could drop it down to T.S. Eliot´s formula of emotions, his "objective correlative." Steve, yet to be redeemed child of God, did you not have a word meaning, or an aesthetic object, or "significant form", or "objective correlative" when you typed out "God" over and over again. Or more likely, because the designs of God are self evident that He might show off and reveal Himself in His own time and His own way, was it Steve a game you played in your heart, the missing meaning thing, maybe for a little power and attention and maybe a little sympathy?
It´s not really out of nothing that the matter comes, according to the theory (which posits that matter and energy are interchangeable). Matter spontaneously forms from minor energy fluctuations. That still leaves unanswered what causes those ´energy fluctuations´.
Whether multi-verse, cyclical bang-crunch-bang, steady state, or any other material explanation of the origins of the universe, the question remains, "what caused that?"
Hawking is a singular intellect in an extraordinarily difficult field of scientific inquiry. The comments about his illness above are beneath the dignity of this site and discredit the posters. None of which makes Professor Hawking´s opinions about music more valid than mine. Likewise his personal opinions about other non-scientific subjects--e.g. the existence and nature of a deity--should be treated with skeptical forbearance and discounted accordingly.
It´s not that complicated, #23. God is outside of time. Time is meaningless to Him--he sees the past, present and future, so the concept of a "day" is for our benefit, not His.What´s he supposed to say to an ancient tribe of wanderers: "let there be light, then 10 billion years later, the Sun and earth are formed, then a couple billion years later some primordial soup, then 500M years of bacteria..."
#31, that is exactly the right response. And I have been in science my entire career, and I fail to see how there is a "science" side versus a "theology" side. The daily wonder I still feel about creation and the miracles I see every single day have done far more to strengthen my faith than diminish it. As usual, mankind is found sorely deficient in the humility department.
Set aside the theological debate for a moment, here´s what I have a hard time believing:
Does this really work or are we trusting that his "handlers" tell us that it works or are we simply getting their perspective or thoughts and he´s just their tool. I´m just skeptical that the man is truly capable of communicating with the outside world (due to his very severe illness).
#30, while I would not post mocking comments about Hawking´s illness, I think it is fair to criticize his capitalizing on his disabled state, which has somehow been worked to confer a sort of cult status on him.
Hawking may have an interesting mind, and an interesting pont of view on some topics; but the public fawning over him is repellant.
Hawking´s cult status is similar to that of the fictional zero-hero Forrest Gump... in the same way nutty followers believe in algwhore-zero´s nutsense on MMGW... Forrest Gump, Forrest Gore, Stephen Hawking... Go figger. Explained by the fact we live in a very strange universe... ?
A "Big Bang" (actually a rapid inflation of space itself) might have been a local event.
The information I like best can be found as follows... "The Big Bang Never Happened" book by Eric Lerner, a Columbia Univ trained physicist who worked with Nobel Physics laureate (1970) Hans Alfgen of Sweden...
See Eric Lerner´s current website for his latest arguments, evidence, points...
Summarizing it... plasma physics, electro-magnetic forces, universe observed to be more than 80 billion years old, possibly infinite in space and time, in which case would be no beginning and no end, universe evolving toward more effecient energy, mankind is a part of that.
Lerner points out it is well known that superclusters of galaxies exist which cannot have formed in less than 80 billion years, based on accurate observations.
Hans Alfgen (spelling?) has an interesting and very worthy bio on Wikipedia... He was distinguished by half a dozen major achievements in mainstream physics... Regarded Big Bang as nonfactual, nonplausible, not in keeping with observations.
Since he was honest, accurate, modest, and factual... almost no one in our type of universe would notice or heed him. But you are free to find out all about this...
LONDON — A team of archaeologists said Monday it has unearthed an unusual coffin-within-a-coffin in the central England parking lot where it found the skeleton of King Richard III, and that they hope to identify the remains within.(snip)Scientists think the lead coffin — which has a hole through which the deceased´s feet can be seen — could contain one of the friary´s founders, a medieval monk, or the remains of a 14th-century medieval knight, Sir William Moton. The archaeologists say that tests must be carried out to determine how to open the lead coffin without damaging the remains.
The City Council in Monterey Park has unanimously voted to require businesses to put up bilingual signs, sparking controversy in a community that has a large Chinese-American population. Under the rule, business owners must put at least one sign up that uses the “modern Latin alphabet,” since forcing stores to put up specifically English signs isn’t allowed, according to the council agenda.(snip)“Clear and simple signs are significant to the response times of both the police and fire departments,” the agenda read. “A distinguishable sign allows officers and firefighters to locate a business from a distance.”
Billionaire Saudi Prince Alwaleed has sounded the alarm about the threat shale oil and gas development poses to the petro-kingdom´s barely diversified economy. It´s taken awhile for such a prominent Saudi to acknowledge this fact. But it´s been pretty clear to the rest of the world. In March, for instance, Norway´s foreign minister said America´s shale boom could rearrange the Middle East´s balance of power.
ABOARD THE PAPAL AIRCRAFT – Pope Francis reached out to gays on Monday, saying he wouldn´t judge priests for their sexual orientation in a remarkably open and wide-ranging news conference as he returned from his first foreign trip. "If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?" Francis asked. His predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI, signed a document in 2005 that said men with deep-rooted homosexual tendencies should not be priests. Francis was much more conciliatory, saying gay clergymen should be forgiven and their sins forgotten.
A would-be robber was shot early Monday when he tried to hold up a south Fulton County Waffle House, police said. Union City police Det. Gloria Hodgson said the suspect entered the Waffle House in the 4300 block of Jonesboro Road just before 2 a.m., “brandishing a pistol and demanding money.” A customer inside the 24-hour diner shot the robbery suspect, Hodgson said. The suspect, whose name has not been released, was taken to Grady Memorial Hospital for treatment. His condition was not immediately available.
A missing Los Angeles teenager was sexually assaulted, kept in a metal box and forced to process marijuana for her two captors, according to a federal criminal complaint filed this week. Prosecutors said the girl was held by Ryan Balletto, 30, and Patrick Pearmain, 24, who are charged with conspiracy to distribute marijuana, using a minor in a drug operation and possession of a firearm in furtherance of drug trafficking. According to prosecutors, the case was blown open when a Los Angeles police detective called Lake County sheriff’s officials asking about a connection between Balletto and the girl. Please spell out source
The deadly assault of a Mableton man has become a national story, at least online, with several web sites and blogs claiming Joshua Chellew was killed because he was white. Initially reported as a hit-and-run, police now say Chellew died June 30 after an attack by four black teenagers in Cobb County. According to the arrest warrant, the 36-year-old victim was repeatedly punched and kicked by the youths outside a Chevron gas station. Chellew, badly beaten, eventually stumbled onto Mableton Parkway, where he was run over. He died at Grady Memorial Hospital.
WARNING: THIS POST IS RACIST Who’s Joshua Chellew? The fact that you don’t know his name is the whole point. But that’s not your fault. Marietta Daily Journal, 7/3/13: Four south Cobb teenagers are in custody in connection with the beating death of a 36-year-old Mableton man on Mableton Parkway early Sunday morning… They have been accused in the beating death of Joshua Heath Chellew, 36…According to the warrant, the four teenagers are accused of starting a fight with Chellew at a Chevron gas station in the 6200 block of Mableton Parkway near Community Drive...
Part of an ancient Egyptian king´s unique sphinx was unveiled at a dig in northern Israel on Tuesday, with researchers struggling to understand just how the unexpected find ended up there. The broken granite sphinx statue -- including the paws and some of the mythical creature´s forearms -- displayed at Tel Hazor archaeological site in Israel´s Galilee, is the first such find in the region. Its discovery also marks the first time ever that researchers have found a statue dedicated to Egyptian ruler Mycerinus who ruled circa 2,500 BC and was builder of one of the three Giza pyramids, an expert said.
Even as it’s cutting food programs for poor women and children, the Agriculture Department is still spending money on housing for wealthy residents on Martha’s Vineyard and paying companies to run marketing campaigns for alcohol, pickles and jelly, according to a top senator who wants to see those priorities changed.-snip-The Oklahoma Republican also asked Mr. Vilsack to justify why the department had threatened to cut off food aid to 600,000 women and children under the sequester, but is still paying for free lunches for even wealthy children in Tulsa, Okla., under a summer program.
BOSTON — Parking is such a precious commodity in Boston that one woman was willing to pay $560,000 for two off-street spaces near her home. Lisa Blumenthal won the spots in the city´s Back Bay neighborhood during an on-site auction Thursday held in a steady rain by the Internal Revenue Service. The IRS had seized the spots from a man who owed back taxes.
LA PAZ, Bolivia — Villagers in Bolivia´s southern highlands buried a man alive in the grave of the woman he is suspected of having raped and murdered, an official said Thursday. Police had identified 17-year-old Santos Ramos as the possible culprit in the attack on 35-year-old Leandra Arias Janco Sunday in a Quechua community near the municipality of Colquechaca, said Jose Luis Barrios, the chief prosecutor in Potosi province where the community is located.
There have been days since her son Ezekiel was born 11 months ago that Los Angeles mom Beth Capper has gone without food to keep up her supply. One friend was arrested for stealing some. It´s not drugs or alcohol or even baby formula that has put her in such a bind. It´s diapers. "There´s no way around buying them," said Capper, a 41-year-old single mother who doesn´t work because of a disability. Across the country, mothers like Capper are facing the same predicament. According to a report published Monday in the
America is in great shape energy-wise. We have more gas and oil reserves than ever before. Indeed, the United States could shortly become the world’s largest exporter of coal. Our cheaper power rates may bring energy-intensive industry back from Europe and Asia. If America’s small colleges are nearly broke and our public schools failing, nonetheless our blue-chip universities’ math, science, and engineering departments, and professional schools, remain the best in the world. (Snip)In our age, Nobel laureate, exempt Al Gore proved a fraud: the feminist who was accused of groping a woman in crazed sex-poodle fashion;
It is a small Alaskan village whose inhabitants have relied on the sea for countless generations. But within a decade, it is expected that the ocean which the village of Kivalina has so relied on will completely destroy it--creating America´s first climate change refugees. Temperatures in the Arctic region of Alaska are warming twice as fast as the rest of the U.S, causing ice to retreat, sea levels to rise and coastal erosion to increase. It is a small Alaskan village whose inhabitants have relied on the sea for countless generations. The 400 indigenous Inuit inhabitants of Kivalina, who live
President Obama has been rolling up his sleeves campaigning across the country delivering a surreal stump speech message supposedly aimed at the middle class: big government works, Obamacare is manna from heaven, the wave of recent scandals are “phony” figments of the imagination, and all economic problems are the fault of the Republicans. Conveniently, he leaves out the bankruptcy of Detroit, a city run by his own party for more than half a century. His message is so stale and unconvincing, that even The New York Times and Washington Post have noticed. Both papers, usually loyal to Obama, remarked that
Arizona Sen. John McCain was the Republican Party´s 2008 presidential nominee and he still wants the keys to the Oval Office. But he is beginning to sound more like a fan of likely 2016 Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. "She´s a rock star," he said in a newly released interview. "She has, maybe not glamour, but certainly the aura of someone widely regarded throughout the world," he added in a reference to her work as secretary of State. McCain, reportedly trying to win back his reputation as a GOP maverick, was asked by the New Republic
Gotta figure her lead would be even bigger without Joe Miller in the field here. Her nomination for the taking? Alaska should be a top tier pick up opportunity for Senate Republicans next year…but their top choice of a candidate is Sarah Palin. 36% of GOP primary voters in the state say they’d like Palin to be their standard bearer against Mark Begich to 26% for Mead Treadwell, 15% for Dan Sullivan, and 12% for Joe Miller.
FORNEY, Texas - George Zimmerman, the former Florida neighborhood watch leader cleared of all charges in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, was pulled over for speeding in North Texas on Sunday, CBS DFW reports. According to the station, Zimmerman was armed when officers pulled him over on Highway 80 in Forney, east of Dallas. (Snip) The officer reportedly did not recognize Zimmerman, who was driving a Honda pickup. Zimmerman told the officer he was armed and was then told to put the weapon in his glove compartment, according to the station.
Embattled Internal Revenue Service official Lois Lerner and an attorney in the Federal Election Commission’s general counsel’s office appear to have twice colluded to influence the record before the FEC’s vote in the case of a conservative non-profit organization, according to e-mails unearthed by the House Ways and Means Committee and obtained exclusively by National Review Online. The correspondence suggests the discrimination of conservative groups extended beyond the IRS and into the FEC, where an attorney from the agency’s enforcement division in at least one case sought and received tax information about the status of a conservative group,
Sen. John McCain — a Democrat? There was confusion Wednesday after the Arizona Republican mistakenly strolled into President Obama’s meeting with Senate Democrats at the Capitol. The room full of Democrats — who happened to be meeting in the same room where the Senate GOP usually holds their weekly policy luncheons — erupted in applause and laughter as the former Republican presidential candidate made his entrance. As McCain, 76, walked out of the Dem-filled space, reporters pressed him as to why he stepped foot in the room.
In an interview on National Public Radio (NPR), House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said her new agenda for women will give mothers access to day care so they can “earn without carrying the burden of child care.” During the interview, aired on Weekend Edition Sunday, Pelosi spoke about her newly announced agenda, which is on her website, and is titled, “When Women Succeed, America Succeeds: An Economic Agenda for Women and Families,” a plan that includes universal pre-school and access to day care for working women, and an increase in the minimum wage.
Karl Rove and more than one hundred Republican donors sent a letter to Republican members of Congress on Tuesday, urging them to pass a comprehensive immigration reform bill that would include, among other provisions, granting "legal status" to illegal aliens who meet certain criteria. Anticipating that lawmakers will face resistance to the bill when they go home for the August recess, the letter marks the escalation of a campaign in which Republican leaders and donors are pressuring House Republicans to act on an immigration reform bill.
I never thought the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman case deserved nearly the attention it got. But reasonable people can disagree about that. What strikes me as unconscionable, however, is the way the supposedly objective media have not only sensationalized a tragedy but at times appear to deliberately bend the facts to fit a desired story line. Maybe it started with the use of pictures of a younger Martin or with the sudden embrace of the term "white Hispanic" to describe Zimmerman in order to more easily paint him as a racist. NBC News was the most egregious offender