The government in Britain recently did something interesting. It asked everyone receiving an "incapacity benefit" — a disability program slowly being phased out under new reforms — to submit to a medical test to confirm they were too disabled to work. A third of recipients (878,000 people) didn´t even bother and dropped out of the program rather than be examined. Of those tested, more than half (55%) were found fit for work and a quarter were found fit for some work.
Many people who could work, and did so with slight limitations whether physical or mental were "let go" after the crash of 2007. Employers now have a labor pool of very young and very cheap applicants, who will start at less then the older employee was making, and are in much better condition with little or no immediate insurance liabilities. My point is this is not all about gaming the system, for every crook there are many who want to work or could in a different environment, THERE ARE NO JOBS FOR THESE PEOPLE
My DH´s uncle suffered a "back" injury and went on disability for about 30 years. His wife "ran" a business during that time. When he became social security retirement age and was no longer on disability, he started working. All of us that work for a living are idiots. Sad thing is a person´s disability status is never revisited.
I had the pleasure of spending a couple of hours at thevSocial Security office last Fall. I was surprised at the mostly YOUNG crowd that was there for benefits. Most weighed over 300 pounds. I decided that must be the new "disability". Too fat to work at ages 25-35. The sad state our nation today.
The standards for qualifying for disability are very different in the US and the UK, so this is an apples and oranges.
As to the comparison to 1960, it is a myth that we are now "healthier". Look at statistics on American children versus European children. Our vaunted healthcare system is giving us children far less healthy than their peers in other countries. For example, 2% now have autism, something virtually unheard of in 1960. Disabled kids grow up to be disabled adults. How disabled does this generation of kids have to become before people realize we have a healthcare crisis?
I was deemed disabled almost 7 years ago, after a severe auto accident did severe damage to all sections of my spine. I endure constant pain, visit a pain clinic every 3 months, endure spine surgeries in an attempt to reduce my pain, an yet - I continue to work.
Most days, it takes everything I have, but I work because the pay and insurance is far better than what the government offers, and mostly, because it gives me purpose.
Without a job, I would be more miserable than I am. I could easily qualify, due to inability to walk and constant pain alone. Luckily, my company knows about my meds, and as long as it is not interfering in my ability to do my job, it´s not a problem.
I will continue working, even if I have to start going in a wheelchair. I have a drive that some seem to be missing.
We have a younger family member, who is now on SSI. He wants to work, but he had a disabling illness that, at least for the foreseeable future, keeps him from being employed. Because he is often sick and hospitalized, employers will not touch him. He´s frustrated to no end, and I don´t blame him. It took almost 6 years and a court hearing to get SSI approved for him, and there was no shortage of documentation showing he is truly disabled. Meanwhile, the Social Security office is full of freeloaders, that are having no problem getting approved on the first or second try. It´s disgusting. Our system is broken....
If only this could be done in the U.S., but the Democrats would never let this happen. Getting on disability for many is like winning the lottery. While waiting to get on they sit and talk about what they will do with that first big check. Processing these deadbeats is a full time job for many lawyers and is making them rich. It´s all they do.
#11, I know of someone who is about 50 in a very similar situation from yours except that his pain is so bad he cannot work. He had applied for disability more than 2 years ago and his case is still pending. One judge ruled against him (I KNOW this man and he IS truly disabled) so it´s now on appeal.
And so he waits, waits, waits, now attempting to get funding, after his unsuccessful surgeries, for a $30K device to be implanted in his body so that the pain will never reach his brain and so that he can go back to work, which is all he wants to do. Good luck on getting funding.
The point is that the very legitimate cases are being ignored while the fraudulent ones are embraced. It seems that if you´re white, Southern or Christian, forget it. If you´re all three, it´s over.
My husband treats children with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD). In the past, a few of his patients might have been on SSI disability because they also had mental retardation or significant emotional problems.
Now we are noticing that more and more of his young patients are on SSI disability just because they have ADHD. When their families apply for SSI, my husband is not asked to provide anything but their medical records--no description of their ability to function in society or speculation about whether they might be able to support themselves when they become adults. In fact, some of these families come in for just an initial visit, presumably so they can wave an ADHD diagosis in front of a disability examiner. Once they have the initial diagnosis documented, we never see them again.
What is ironic is that ADHD is a treatable condition. If these kids are managed by a competent physician and cared for by conscientious parents, they will be able to perform at a level equal to their peers without ADHD.
I am tempted to conclude that there is a disability industry in this country, and that many of those classified as disabled are simply very good at working the system.
The ballooning disability figures are encouraged by the Obama administration because by moving the unemployed to disabled they are no longer counted in the unemployment number. So the media reports that unemployment has gone down. On a different day they report that disability numbers have skyrocketed. Obama can then say the economy is improving and fewer people are unemployed. And the low-info populace cheers!
Thank you # 4. While I agree there are way too many young people on disability - I´m not young (65) and I did get disability.
It should have come from the employer since the worst injury was from being forced to physically do something I told them loudly and clearly I could not do. Add to that a lifetime of injury and arthritis and there you go. But, the workers comp people decided I was just fine so I had to try SS. It didn´t take them 2 months to approve me.
I don´t like it. I never in my life planned to end up like this. I wanted to work to 62, retire and draw SS and work part time somewhere else. Enjoy my older years. Yeah, well, that never happened.
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Ida Lou Pino, 4/3/2013 9:50:38 AM (No. 9257036)
Do the math.
Only 67% took the physical - - and only 20% of them were considered to be disabled. So - - - that means 13.4% of the original "disabled" actually were.
Hmmm - - I wonder what the corresponding percentage is for the good ol´ USA?
Reply 25 - Posted by:
Ida Lou Pino, 4/3/2013 10:00:20 AM (No. 9257054)
Leftists never give up. They´ll tell any lie - - no matter how gross and how disprovable - - to panic the gullible into surrendering their freedom and their wealth.
Our children are "far less healthy" than they were in 1960? Then why is the only truly accurate measure of health - - life expectancy - - skyrocketing?
Stupid, stupid lefties - - they think they can con L-Dotters. What idiots!
I spent a couple of years in a relatively poor area of a southern state many years ago. Many adults there looked at disability the way most folks look at retirement. They tried again and again and would brag that they "finally got their disability".
#12 makes a good point. Most people with valid permanent medically disabling conditions would love to be able to have a job and work. Unfortunately, the red tape and government regs prevent them from doing so; they are stuck in a quagmire created by our government which is highly regulated by a "nazi" government. Their physicians continually have to fill out volumes of paperwork to "prove" they are in fact permanently disabled. Go figure! Yet, there are millions of able-bodied people "walking" into Social Security Offices and beating the "system" which is overun by fraud and abuse.
11 years ago after fighting back from two strokes caused by the diabetes he´d had since age 3 and continuing to work after those my husband was told by our doctor to go home and call social security as he would never be able to work again. As we were leaving the doctor´s office he asked me to tell people he had retired rather than he´d become disabled. He now has dementia from the many strokes he´s now had and the neuropathy from the diabetes. He was ashamed to be disabled because so many people use it as a way not to work. It´s a shame that HE is the one to be ashamed!
Out in California, we call it "crazy pay". People decide that their boss gives then a pain in the neck. Okay. Then they stay up all night before the doctor visit to display their exhaustion and condition. They skip shaving and bathing to make the case for themselves. They have pain. They just can´t do anything for themselves. Couple more exams from the doctors who examine, and papers shuffled by those who file claims; they have specialists available for helping make the claims. Then the wait for the time to run out. First time applicants are denied. They appeal. Denied again, appeal, denied -it´s a game. If you persist, after you persist, why not? They grant your claim, and give you the big check, consisting of all the back monthly payments since you first applied. Anywhere from $12,000 to $25,000. I personally know a woman who got $53,000 net, after getting awarded and after paying back the $700 per month general relief she was collecting in the meantime. The payoff is about $1200 per month, free foodstamps for another $240.00, free health care, and emergency room treatment for that sore throat or migraine headache, and any and all county programs like free and stacked firewood, special buses to run you around, and you can now and forever complain about "my check". Margaret, who got the $53,000, made about seven trips to Puerto Vallarta, Mexico to become for the local beach boys, "the rich, blonde, American hottie!" She blew the lump in about six months, and then continued to live off the monthly checks, complaining how it took so long to get them. Back pay day is the high point of their lives.
Same exect thing will happen here if the government criminals had the cahones and honesty to force those on disability to PROVE IT!
I know two people that scam the system...let´s see, there are 300 Million of us, so if all of us know at least 2 on disability, accounting for overlaps/duplication on who knows who that means our scammers are at least 150 MILLION!!!
The truly disabled will suffer the most. When the money runs out (and it will, eventually) they´ll have to fend for themselves. And in the meantime the moochers can run a little black market cash operation on the side. Lots of tax-free income there.
To those who posted that they know someone who has had difficulty getting SSDI, I have good reason to believe that the liklihood of an award of SSDI beneifts is absolutely dictated by where the applicant lives. To anyone so motivated I would wager much of what I have that SSDI is being paid out disproportionately to distressed areas in blue states. It is an effective form of opiate for the masses.
You tell the "stories", like al gore was telling the "story" of his mother who bought dog´s medication because human was too expensive... But the real truth is there is no disability welfare in Soviet Union, n. korea or cuba. There are also no welfare payments to junkies, alcoholics and single mothers who don´t work. It is a matter of screwing us, real people, who work, think, care about themselves and don´t allow (as much as possible) the rulers to mess with our lives. They WANT to mess with our lives, because this is what sadist power is about.
#35--I of course cannot comment on your relative. But trust me, severe depression can be disabling, even crippling for many people. Unfortunately, those who are affected so severely probably don´t have the energy and endurance to even apply for SSDI.
My claim is pending. I had a stroke last year and cancer treatments. Would love to work but can;t stand for long periods and drop things in my left hand, neropothy from chemo is bad have been waiting to hear for months. can´t drive or walk very well. Will take any test. Will vote the same as I always have. conservative.
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