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Is Disability the New Welfare?
Real Clear Politics, by Jonah Goldberg

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Posted By:toledo, 4/2/2013 8:12:53 PM

The government in Britain recently did something interesting. It asked everyone receiving an "incapacity benefit" — a disability program slowly being phased out under new reforms — to submit to a medical test to confirm they were too disabled to work. A third of recipients (878,000 people) didn´t even bother and dropped out of the program rather than be examined. Of those tested, more than half (55%) were found fit for work and a quarter were found fit for some work.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Not your typical New Yorker, 4/2/2013 8:16:40 PM     (No. 9256361)

Why yes, yes it is.

Along with unending unemployment checks that is.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Watlines, 4/2/2013 8:25:22 PM     (No. 9256372)

Duh, how long did it take to figure this out?

Tell me something new ...

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Reply 3 - Posted by: DW626, 4/2/2013 8:34:27 PM     (No. 9256385)

An "I´m too dumb to work" note from a doctor, now how can anyone despute that??

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Reply 4 - Posted by: SpeedMaster, 4/2/2013 8:34:49 PM     (No. 9256386)

Many people who could work, and did so with slight limitations whether physical or mental were "let go" after the crash of 2007. Employers now have a labor pool of very young and very cheap applicants, who will start at less then the older employee was making, and are in much better condition with little or no immediate insurance liabilities. My point is this is not all about gaming the system, for every crook there are many who want to work or could in a different environment, THERE ARE NO JOBS FOR THESE PEOPLE

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Reply 5 - Posted by: nwcudagal, 4/2/2013 8:37:57 PM     (No. 9256396)

My DH´s uncle suffered a "back" injury and went on disability for about 30 years. His wife "ran" a business during that time. When he became social security retirement age and was no longer on disability, he started working. All of us that work for a living are idiots. Sad thing is a person´s disability status is never revisited.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: KTWO, 4/2/2013 8:43:24 PM     (No. 9256403)

Those who dropped out probably didn´t want any attention at all. And for very good reasons.

Statistics about the nature and durations of their disabilities v. those who did not might be revealing.

So a program is being phased out? That alone is rather unique for any government.



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Reply 7 - Posted by: Starlady, 4/2/2013 8:57:00 PM     (No. 9256426)

I had the pleasure of spending a couple of hours at thevSocial Security office last Fall. I was surprised at the mostly YOUNG crowd that was there for benefits. Most weighed over 300 pounds. I decided that must be the new "disability". Too fat to work at ages 25-35. The sad state our nation today.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: whyyeseyec, 4/2/2013 10:21:05 PM     (No. 9256557)

@#7: Those 300 pounder`s need that extra disability income to pay for the increase in their airline fares due to their excessive weight......../s

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Reply 9 - Posted by: bob913, 4/2/2013 10:59:03 PM     (No. 9256599)

I had a neighbor who got disability because he was a crackhead. He also attends anger management meetings - another scam by a non "church" who gets money from us the taxpayers.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Libertygal, 4/3/2013 12:38:26 AM     (No. 9256660)

I was deemed disabled almost 7 years ago, after a severe auto accident did severe damage to all sections of my spine. I endure constant pain, visit a pain clinic every 3 months, endure spine surgeries in an attempt to reduce my pain, an yet - I continue to work.

Most days, it takes everything I have, but I work because the pay and insurance is far better than what the government offers, and mostly, because it gives me purpose.

Without a job, I would be more miserable than I am. I could easily qualify, due to inability to walk and constant pain alone. Luckily, my company knows about my meds, and as long as it is not interfering in my ability to do my job, it´s not a problem.

I will continue working, even if I have to start going in a wheelchair. I have a drive that some seem to be missing.


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Reply 11 - Posted by: flowerladytoo, 4/3/2013 5:04:03 AM     (No. 9256720)

We have a younger family member, who is now on SSI. He wants to work, but he had a disabling illness that, at least for the foreseeable future, keeps him from being employed. Because he is often sick and hospitalized, employers will not touch him. He´s frustrated to no end, and I don´t blame him. It took almost 6 years and a court hearing to get SSI approved for him, and there was no shortage of documentation showing he is truly disabled. Meanwhile, the Social Security office is full of freeloaders, that are having no problem getting approved on the first or second try. It´s disgusting. Our system is broken....

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Trigger2, 4/3/2013 6:49:21 AM     (No. 9256769)

Now if only the USA would follow suit and start scrubbing the alleged disability claimants here. While they´re at it, investigate the lying doctors who certify those claims.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Arby, 4/3/2013 7:31:05 AM     (No. 9256820)

We´ve lost a sense of shame. That´s the root problem.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Crosscut, 4/3/2013 7:46:08 AM     (No. 9256842)

If only this could be done in the U.S., but the Democrats would never let this happen. Getting on disability for many is like winning the lottery. While waiting to get on they sit and talk about what they will do with that first big check. Processing these deadbeats is a full time job for many lawyers and is making them rich. It´s all they do.


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Reply 15 - Posted by: pineledger, 4/3/2013 8:27:06 AM     (No. 9256899)

Ask any GP and they will tell you that this SSDI is the biggest scam on earth.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: M2, 4/3/2013 8:42:20 AM     (No. 9256917)

#11, I know of someone who is about 50 in a very similar situation from yours except that his pain is so bad he cannot work. He had applied for disability more than 2 years ago and his case is still pending. One judge ruled against him (I KNOW this man and he IS truly disabled) so it´s now on appeal.

And so he waits, waits, waits, now attempting to get funding, after his unsuccessful surgeries, for a $30K device to be implanted in his body so that the pain will never reach his brain and so that he can go back to work, which is all he wants to do. Good luck on getting funding.

The point is that the very legitimate cases are being ignored while the fraudulent ones are embraced. It seems that if you´re white, Southern or Christian, forget it. If you´re all three, it´s over.

It´s a disgusting situation.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: ColoWapiti, 4/3/2013 9:03:00 AM     (No. 9256950)

Our vaunted healthcare system is giving us children far less healthy than their peers in other countries?

I don´t think so. I think their parents do that all by themselves.

Meanwhile, our prior "vaunted" healthcare system is far superior to what we are about to get, despite what some here think.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: LZK, 4/3/2013 9:09:36 AM     (No. 9256967)

Good for the Brits.....

Time for America to call for a medical confirmation test of all disability recipients.

Great idea!!

LZK

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Reply 19 - Posted by: LZK, 4/3/2013 9:10:28 AM     (No. 9256969)

In addition:
A review of ALL the lawyers advocating for these losers...

LZK

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Avogadra, 4/3/2013 9:32:47 AM     (No. 9256999)

My husband treats children with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD). In the past, a few of his patients might have been on SSI disability because they also had mental retardation or significant emotional problems.

Now we are noticing that more and more of his young patients are on SSI disability just because they have ADHD. When their families apply for SSI, my husband is not asked to provide anything but their medical records--no description of their ability to function in society or speculation about whether they might be able to support themselves when they become adults. In fact, some of these families come in for just an initial visit, presumably so they can wave an ADHD diagosis in front of a disability examiner. Once they have the initial diagnosis documented, we never see them again.

What is ironic is that ADHD is a treatable condition. If these kids are managed by a competent physician and cared for by conscientious parents, they will be able to perform at a level equal to their peers without ADHD.

I am tempted to conclude that there is a disability industry in this country, and that many of those classified as disabled are simply very good at working the system.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: mseegal, 4/3/2013 9:38:09 AM     (No. 9257010)

The ballooning disability figures are encouraged by the Obama administration because by moving the unemployed to disabled they are no longer counted in the unemployment number. So the media reports that unemployment has gone down. On a different day they report that disability numbers have skyrocketed. Obama can then say the economy is improving and fewer people are unemployed. And the low-info populace cheers!

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Catherine, 4/3/2013 9:39:15 AM     (No. 9257013)

Thank you # 4. While I agree there are way too many young people on disability - I´m not young (65) and I did get disability.

It should have come from the employer since the worst injury was from being forced to physically do something I told them loudly and clearly I could not do. Add to that a lifetime of injury and arthritis and there you go. But, the workers comp people decided I was just fine so I had to try SS. It didn´t take them 2 months to approve me.

I don´t like it. I never in my life planned to end up like this. I wanted to work to 62, retire and draw SS and work part time somewhere else. Enjoy my older years. Yeah, well, that never happened.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Ida Lou Pino, 4/3/2013 9:50:38 AM     (No. 9257036)

Do the math.

Only 67% took the physical - - and only 20% of them were considered to be disabled. So - - - that means 13.4% of the original "disabled" actually were.

Hmmm - - I wonder what the corresponding percentage is for the good ol´ USA?

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Ida Lou Pino, 4/3/2013 10:00:20 AM     (No. 9257054)

Leftists never give up. They´ll tell any lie - - no matter how gross and how disprovable - - to panic the gullible into surrendering their freedom and their wealth.

Our children are "far less healthy" than they were in 1960? Then why is the only truly accurate measure of health - - life expectancy - - skyrocketing?

Stupid, stupid lefties - - they think they can con L-Dotters. What idiots!

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Reply 25 - Posted by: joew9, 4/3/2013 10:08:18 AM     (No. 9257070)

I don´t see that happening here. Too many votes at stake. The media(news and entertainment) too much on the side of those that need those votes.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: texsupreme, 4/3/2013 10:22:58 AM     (No. 9257088)

I spent a couple of years in a relatively poor area of a southern state many years ago. Many adults there looked at disability the way most folks look at retirement. They tried again and again and would brag that they "finally got their disability".

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Illinois Resident, 4/3/2013 10:25:17 AM     (No. 9257092)

#12 makes a good point. Most people with valid permanent medically disabling conditions would love to be able to have a job and work. Unfortunately, the red tape and government regs prevent them from doing so; they are stuck in a quagmire created by our government which is highly regulated by a "nazi" government. Their physicians continually have to fill out volumes of paperwork to "prove" they are in fact permanently disabled. Go figure! Yet, there are millions of able-bodied people "walking" into Social Security Offices and beating the "system" which is overun by fraud and abuse.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: kbcama, 4/3/2013 10:46:58 AM     (No. 9257147)

11 years ago after fighting back from two strokes caused by the diabetes he´d had since age 3 and continuing to work after those my husband was told by our doctor to go home and call social security as he would never be able to work again. As we were leaving the doctor´s office he asked me to tell people he had retired rather than he´d become disabled. He now has dementia from the many strokes he´s now had and the neuropathy from the diabetes. He was ashamed to be disabled because so many people use it as a way not to work. It´s a shame that HE is the one to be ashamed!

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Reply 29 - Posted by: RancherJack, 4/3/2013 10:52:01 AM     (No. 9257163)

My best friend has knees and hips chewed up by a bacterial infection. You got a spare $250,000 to buy him new ones?

Didn´t think so.

He applied for Disability. Turned down in record time ... seriously from his mailbox to the Feds to his rejection letter .... 8 days.

"Disability" is for you k now who. It ain´t for you.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: Happy Trails, 4/3/2013 11:33:39 AM     (No. 9257258)

Out in California, we call it "crazy pay". People decide that their boss gives then a pain in the neck. Okay. Then they stay up all night before the doctor visit to display their exhaustion and condition. They skip shaving and bathing to make the case for themselves. They have pain. They just can´t do anything for themselves. Couple more exams from the doctors who examine, and papers shuffled by those who file claims; they have specialists available for helping make the claims. Then the wait for the time to run out. First time applicants are denied. They appeal. Denied again, appeal, denied -it´s a game. If you persist, after you persist, why not? They grant your claim, and give you the big check, consisting of all the back monthly payments since you first applied. Anywhere from $12,000 to $25,000. I personally know a woman who got $53,000 net, after getting awarded and after paying back the $700 per month general relief she was collecting in the meantime. The payoff is about $1200 per month, free foodstamps for another $240.00, free health care, and emergency room treatment for that sore throat or migraine headache, and any and all county programs like free and stacked firewood, special buses to run you around, and you can now and forever complain about "my check".
Margaret, who got the $53,000, made about seven trips to Puerto Vallarta, Mexico to become for the local beach boys, "the rich, blonde, American hottie!" She blew the lump in about six months, and then continued to live off the monthly checks, complaining how it took so long to get them. Back pay day is the high point of their lives.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: mickturn, 4/3/2013 12:50:57 PM     (No. 9257431)

Same exect thing will happen here if the government criminals had the cahones and honesty to force those on disability to PROVE IT!

I know two people that scam the system...let´s see, there are 300 Million of us, so if all of us know at least 2 on disability, accounting for overlaps/duplication on who knows who that means our scammers are at least 150 MILLION!!!

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Reply 32 - Posted by: NorthernDog, 4/3/2013 1:02:19 PM     (No. 9257455)

The truly disabled will suffer the most. When the money runs out (and it will, eventually) they´ll have to fend for themselves. And in the meantime the moochers can run a little black market cash operation on the side. Lots of tax-free income there.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: AutumnJoy, 4/3/2013 1:24:16 PM     (No. 9257510)

To those who posted that they know someone who has had difficulty getting SSDI, I have good reason to believe that the liklihood of an award of SSDI beneifts is absolutely dictated by where the applicant lives. To anyone so motivated I would wager much of what I have that SSDI is being paid out disproportionately to distressed areas in blue states. It is an effective form of opiate for the masses.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: sorosisbehindit, 4/3/2013 3:20:44 PM     (No. 9257762)

My sister-in-law was on "disability" for depression!!!!
How many of those are out there?!
The libs truly are trying to sink the boat.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: lencu255, 4/3/2013 5:43:27 PM     (No. 9258000)

You tell the "stories", like al gore was telling the "story" of his mother who bought dog´s medication because human was too expensive...
But the real truth is there is no disability welfare in Soviet Union, n. korea or cuba. There are also no welfare payments to junkies, alcoholics and single mothers who don´t work. It is a matter of screwing us, real people, who work, think, care about themselves and don´t allow (as much as possible) the rulers to mess with our lives.
They WANT to mess with our lives, because this is what sadist power is about.


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Reply 36 - Posted by: MamaD, 4/3/2013 6:07:07 PM     (No. 9258033)

#35--I of course cannot comment on your relative. But trust me, severe depression can be disabling, even crippling for many people. Unfortunately, those who are affected so severely probably don´t have the energy and endurance to even apply for SSDI.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: Dodge Boy, 4/3/2013 8:00:01 PM     (No. 9258153)

My...my...well, it looks like the Brit gravy train is going, going, gone, no? But, wait, us saps here in the USA now have the reverse problem. What the heck is going on, Obie gummint?

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Reply 38 - Posted by: stealthy, 4/4/2013 1:39:34 PM     (No. 9259443)

My claim is pending. I had a stroke last year and cancer treatments. Would love to work but can;t stand for long periods and drop things in my left hand, neropothy from chemo is bad have been waiting to hear for months. can´t drive or walk very well. Will take any test. Will vote the same as I always have. conservative.

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After presenting at the Academy Awards this year, Kim Novak didn’t want to leave her house. The Hitchcock screen siren, 81, was too humiliated to venture from her home near the Rogue River in Oregon. She read the cruel posts and Internet snark about her appearance, and it was just too much. “It got to me like it gets kids and teenagers,” she told the Associated Press. The “Vertigo” actress, considered one of the great beauties in her day, posted a note on her Facebook wall Thursday, acknowledging that she’d gotten fat injections in her face and addressing her halted

Analysis: Obama Celebrates
Eight Million ´Enrollments,´
Again Declares Debate ´Over´

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Townhall, by Guy Benson    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/17/2014 8:56:28 PM     Post Reply
President Obama addressed the White House press corps today, announcing that with the final numbers in, Obamacare´s exchanges have attracted eight million sign-ups -- 35 percent of whom are "under the age of 35," he said. Several elements of his comments were misleading: (1) At first blush, the 35 percent stat is both significant and impressive. As recently as last month, the share of "young invincibles" signing up for plans was struggling in the 25 percent range, far short of the actuarial target of nearly 40 percent. A leap into the mid-30´s, while still shy of the goal, would constitute a major step, and would bode well for the risk pools'

The Folly Of The Bundy Ranch Rebellion
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The Federalist, by Grace Olmstead    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/18/2014 4:21:46 AM     Post Reply
It’s the stuff of Westerns: a showdown on the desert plains, the big bad government against an underdog farmer. Though the story has only grabbed national headlines in the past several days, rancher Cliven Bundy has illegally grazed cattle on the Nevada land surrounding his farm for over 20 years. He hasn’t paid grazing fees since 1993, and refuses to renew the necessary grazing permit.(Snip)Rather than using the avenues and pathways presented to him, Bundy has staunchly declared his own law and allegiances. Unfortunately, reality doesn’t work this way. If only it did—we could rebel for paying stupid taxes, refuse to

Michelle Obama Riverdances
Through Dublin to the Tune
of $7,921,638

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Breitbart Big Peace, by Tom Fitton    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/17/2014 6:45:16 AM     Post Reply
When it comes to tracking the cost of Obama family vacations, there are two primary challenges. First, the Obamas are prolific jet-setters, so there are many details to track. Second, the Obama administration, clearly embarrassed by these lavish and frequent family vacations, stonewalls the release of records at every turn. But we have been relentless in pursuit of this information. Our attorneys file the lawsuits and make our case, and our investigators pour through pages of records and crunch the numbers. And the information we’ve uncovered – information that would otherwise remain under lock and key – shows that the

Students Demand Acknowledgement of
Robert E. Lee´s ´Racist and Dishonorable Conduct´

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Breitbart´s Big Government, by AWR Hawkins    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/18/2014 12:35:28 PM     Post Reply
A group of seven multiracial Washington and Lee University (W&L) students are demanding the school remove all Confederate flags from campus and "acknowledge" General Robert E. Lee´s "dishonorable side." According to the Roanoke Times, "seven multiracial students, calling themselves ´The Committee,´" have also demanded the school "acknowledge and apologize for participating in chattel slavery." They want recognition of "Martin Luther King Jr. Day on the undergraduate campus" and an end to "neo-Confederates" marching across campus "to the Lee Chapel on Lee-Jackson Day." The students say they will "engage in civil disobedience" if their demands are not met by September 1st. They added: "The

Pelosi assists in Holy Week
foot-washing ritual

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San Francisco Chronicle, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Harlowe- 4/18/2014 11:46:54 AM     Post Reply
To "honor the dignity and work of immigrants," Democratic House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi helps Bishop Marc Andrus wash the feet of two children Thursday at Saint John the Evangelist Episcopal Church in San Francisco. Pelosi also used the occasion to talk about passing HR15 - bipartisan immigration legislation that her office says would "reduce the deficit by nearly $1 trillion, secure our borders, unite our families, protect our workers and provide an earned pathway to citizenship." The Democratic leader´s ceremony coincides with Pope Francis´ similar ceremony in Rome to mark Holy Week.

Deadbeat on the Range
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New York Times, by Timothy Eagan    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/18/2014 3:52:52 PM     Post Reply
Imagine a vendor on the National Mall, selling burgers and dogs, who hasn’t paid his rent in 20 years. He refuses to recognize his landlord, the National Park Service, as a legitimate authority. Every court has ruled against him, and fines have piled up. What’s more, the effluents from his food cart are having a detrimental effect on the spring grass in the capital. Would an armed posse come to his defense, aiming their guns at the park police? Would the lawbreaker get prime airtime on Fox News, breathless updates in the Drudge Report, a sympathetic ear from Tea Party Republicans?

Illinois Dems to offer $100 million in
taxpayer money to lure Obama library site

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Investor´s Business Daily, by Andrew Malcolm    Original Article
Posted By: SurferLad- 4/18/2014 9:15:50 AM     Post Reply
First, the good news: We are close enough to the end of the Obama presidency for his crowd to talk about a presidential library. Now, the bad news: Obama´s retirement is still 1,008 days distant. Plenty of time though to round up the dough to build it somewhere. Figure they need Solyndra-style money, at least $500 million. The last two presidents – Bill Clinton and George W. Bush -- built their legacy edifices totally with private money. [Snip] However, Obama supporters have a different take. They think taxpayers should put up $100 million in public money for Obama´s library.

Every Media Outlet: Hillary
Grandkid the Most Consequential
Baby Since Jesus

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Mediaite, by Tina Nguyen    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/18/2014 10:34:40 AM     Post Reply
Less than 16 hours after Chelsea Clinton announced she was pregnant, a lot of major news outlets started staring into the crystal ball of Chelsea’s womb, wondering what this currently floating zygotic multicellular being meant for the prospects of Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign, which is also a floating, zygotic, multicellular being. Their answer: The immaculately conceived Clinton child could mean everything. And no, it’s not just the fact that having a grandchild could be personally fulfilling to Hillary and Bill (mazel tov, by the way), or that a cute baby would be a sweet cherry on top of Hillary’s already

Glen Campbell has been
moved into a facility

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People Magazine, by Gilliam Telling    Original Article
Posted By: Hazymac- 4/17/2014 6:58:48 PM     Post Reply
Glen Campbell has been suffering from Alzheimer´s for over three years, but the Grammy-winning singer, 78, has recently moved into a facility, PEOPLE has confirmed. "He was moved to an Alzhemier´s facility last week," says a family friend. "I´m not sure what the permanent plan is for him yet. We´ll know more next week." The "Rhinestone Cowboy" crooner first opened up about having Alzheimer´s to PEOPLE in an exclusive 2011 interview. Campbell and his fourth wife, Kim Woolen, decided to go public with the news because Campbell hoped to embark on a final farewell live tour. The couple wanted his

Even Hillary Clinton Isn’t Sure What
We Should Like About Hillary Clinton

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PJ Media, by Stephen Kruiser    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 4/18/2014 4:33:53 AM     Post Reply
The first step is admitting… It was a simple question to someone accustomed to much tougher ones: What was her proudest achievement as secretary of state? But for a moment, Hillary Rodham Clinton, appearing recently before a friendly audience at a women’s forum in Manhattan, seemed flustered.(Snip)So…no definitive successes and some clear-cut failures. And that’s the generous New York Times assessment. The Democrat fantasy story about Mrs. Clinton paints her as strong and accomplished on her own. In reality, this is a woman who is professionally defined almost entirely by two men in her life, both of whom happen to have

Those ‘rogue’ agents
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New York Post, by Editorial    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 4/18/2014 4:37:07 AM     Post Reply
Remember when Lois Lerner, in answering a planted question at an American Bar Association conference, admitted the IRS had targeted conservative groups but tried to pass it off as the work of rogue agents — “our line people in Cincinnati”? Today we know there were indeed federal agents involved. But they weren’t rogue, and they weren’t confined to IRS workers in Cincinnati. Thanks to a Freedom of Information request by Judicial Watch, we now have an e-mail Lerner sent to colleagues noting the Department of Justice was looking into criminal prosecutions of these tax-exempt groups. We know something else, too. These investigations


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