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State-Wrecked: The Corruption
of Capitalism in America

New York Times, by David A. Stockman

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Posted By:BuckeyeRon, 3/31/2013 5:37:31 PM

The Dow Jones and Standard & Poor’s 500 indexes reached record highs on Thursday, having completely erased the losses since the stock market’s last peak, in 2007. But instead of cheering, we should be very afraid. Over the last 13 years, the stock market has twice crashed and touched off a recession: American households lost $5 trillion in the 2000 dot-com bust and more than $7 trillion in the 2007 housing crash. Sooner or later — within a few years, I predict — this latest Wall Street bubble, inflated by an egregious flood of phony money from the Federal

Wow...Stockman takes a swing at every president but Ike...would be great to see how LDotters who know economics/finance dissect this...


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Bur Oak, 3/31/2013 6:16:31 PM     (No. 9252914)

What can´t continue, won´t.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Muggins, 3/31/2013 6:24:38 PM     (No. 9252918)

Basically, we need a flat tax, which would spur growth, and get the Congress out of the business of selling tax breaks for campaign money. Good for starters. Then we could pull our military out of Europe and let the Eurpeans push back against Russian ambitions. Ease up on the rampant regulations (repeal Obama Care), balance the budget, and slowly reduce the debt. Social Security and Medicare would have to be tweaked mildly.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: hammondb3, 3/31/2013 6:30:30 PM     (No. 9252921)

Within a few years? More like within 12-18 months.

The markets are not well understood by most. They are not driven by the economy. They are driven by fear. The bottoms in markets are caused by the fear of losing everything (and ironically, they are the best times to buy) and the tops are caused by the fear of missing the boat - what we are likely seeing now.

The ´top´ will take months to take shape, at which point those who bought at the bottom will slowly unwind their 100% gains into the hands of the retail investors who will once again, as they have so often done in the past, end up buying the top. 18-20 months later they will give up on it all over again, just as they did in early 2009.

The markets are purely driven by human nature. Presidents have little to do with it.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: BuckeyeRon, 3/31/2013 6:46:24 PM     (No. 9252936)

#2 has just about got it! If our candidates for House and Senate in 2014 adopted this and answered any question on any topic with this basic litany, we´ll wind up with a super majority. Gotta add a specific rationale for closing some departments and agencies and get a wonk to put zero based budgeting as a starting point for each remaining domestic agency into layman´s terms...wouldn´t hurt to add severe cutbacks in the use of the "full faith and credit" guarantees either, like FNMA, OPIC, Ex-Im Bank, etc. #3, isn´t Stockman really referring to the Fed policies and the chairs the presidents appoint?

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Reply 5 - Posted by: curious1, 3/31/2013 6:51:47 PM     (No. 9252941)

#4, the majority of the replies could simply be the constitution doesn´t authorize it. And when the smarmy libtard medidiot makes most any comment, say rule of law means if you want to do it then you have to pass an amendment, not ignore the constitution.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: pacman333, 3/31/2013 7:28:26 PM     (No. 9252970)

"FTA: The Great Fear — manifested by the stock market plunge when the House voted down the TARP bailout before caving and passing it — was purely another Wall Street concoction. Had President Bush and his Goldman Sachs adviser (a k a Treasury Secretary) Henry M. Paulson Jr. stood firm, the crisis would have burned out on its own and meted out to speculators the losses they so richly deserved. The Main Street banking system was never in serious jeopardy, ATMs were not going dark and the money market industry was not imploding."

BINGO!! The beauty of free markets is that they correct themselves. There was no need for TARP. Unless of course you´re a politician looking to take care of your donors.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: zephyrgirl, 3/31/2013 8:56:47 PM     (No. 9253019)

I was with Stockman´s until he said to get out of the stock market and into cash. What good will useless paper be in a worldwide depression? Gold and silver are great until you need to spend it, and have to get change. Face it, we´re screwed.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Safari Man, 3/31/2013 9:01:11 PM     (No. 9253025)

I share Mr Stockman´s sense of gloom and doom, but I don´t agree with his class warfare rhetoric, including the 99% vs the 1% notion. He is exactly right to lay the blame on government intrusion into the free markets and to say that Keynesian economics is to blame for much of our ills, but he doesn´t lay enough blame on the welfare state and the steep slide we´ve made towards socialism, starting with FDR, proceding stealthily for 70 years, and now getting hopped up on steroids with Obama at the helm.

I´m glad to hear him say cash is king, because I went almost 100% cash before the election last year. But I still fear hyper-inflation and what makes anyone think the green back is a good place to have your money, especially after Stockman spent most of his treatise slamming the counterfeiting of greenbacks as an enormous part of our problem.

I don´t own gold, but it almost seems like gold would be the place to be when the world curencies assume their proper value - that of paper, and not even toilet paper.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: cincinnati whig, 3/31/2013 9:26:39 PM     (No. 9253046)

Stockman´s a blowhard - it´s almost impossible to distinguish the common-sense from the hyperbole in his remarks.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: fleetusa, 3/31/2013 9:33:47 PM     (No. 9253050)

Not happy reading. Are we like frogs in a pot of water?

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Penney, 3/31/2013 9:41:42 PM     (No. 9253057)

´´If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.´´ II Chronicles 7:14

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Japanorama, 3/31/2013 9:54:32 PM     (No. 9253065)

Modern American capitalism:
Capital goes to the government.
Ism goes to the private sector.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Sfacheem, 3/31/2013 9:57:24 PM     (No. 9253067)

David Stockman is an ankle-grabbing bone smuggler. Can´t stand him. No, I hate him.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Gartrell bibberts, 3/31/2013 10:08:37 PM     (No. 9253071)

Forget the messenger!

They are in control.

They have looted the treasury.

They intend to destroy the country that once was.

The government is corrupt.

Congress is inept, dishonest and acts for self preservation.

They have stolen much of the wealth of the real middle class (people who still have jobs and HAD some savings.

Why do we stand for this!

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Reply 15 - Posted by: MDConservative, 3/31/2013 11:48:34 PM     (No. 9253134)

We stand for it because it can´t happen here. Ask just about anyone...collapse is unthinkable.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: BcdErick, 3/31/2013 11:50:11 PM     (No. 9253137)

First, this is not the "NYT" speaking. It is David Stockman promoting a new book where, unsurprisingly, he is the hero. Secondly, if you search "Sundown in America" you find this essay has provoked outrage...on the right. Stockman was a doctrinaire "Supply Sider" during his Reagan tenure and is now very unpopular with many in the economics field and the financial industry. It was under his tenure with Reagan that the current dilemma of larger and larger annual deficits began. Notice how he only mildly rebukes Obama who is running up $1+ trillion deficits/year and saves almost all his scorn for other economists, focusing on Bernanke and including even, God help us, Milton Friedman. David Stockman is not remotely as smart as Milton Friedman. I agree America is in very, very bad shape financially but listening to Stockman trying to settle old scores is not productive. Here is an example of the criticism:http://finance.yahoo.com/news/david-stockman-writes-huge-unhinged-170523835.html

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Reply 17 - Posted by: HPmatt, 3/31/2013 11:50:57 PM     (No. 9253138)

I don´t agree with Stockman on the stock market. The p/e multiples of stocks are not too high - around 14. Historically they have gotten up to the low 20s. I think corporate balance sheets are MUCH safer than any government I know of. If companies have too much Obamacare cost, or the US raises the cost to do business in the US too much, they´ll just cut back on US labor and/or US operations. Outsource it. If US taxes get too high and you sell your product around the world - like Coca Cola, you just move your corporate HQ offshore or defer bringing profits back to the US.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: horacer, 4/1/2013 12:06:14 AM     (No. 9253149)

Stockmans selling a book. We have to unshackle the private sector. Less government, lower taxes. We need to radically alter the healthcare industry. Get government out, stop allowing the hospital industry to dictate policy.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: LanieLou, 4/1/2013 12:15:44 AM     (No. 9253155)

We are witnessing the destruction of the middle class. Very few small investors in the stock market anymore... most already lost it all.

I read about gold, silver & other precious metals being intentionally depressed, to improve the performance of the $$ & the stock market.

The stock market knows business is holding onto boatloads of profits, waiting to see what damage Obama´s regulations & EO´s will do.

The killer in the mix is losing the dollar as the ww index because once that happens, the fed no longer can print useless money.
The Anti-NWO Alliance met last week & agreed to establish their own monetary index & IMF. This is China, Russia, India, Brazil & others... maybe the new Korea & Japan...

So... ever since the NWO Progressives partnered with The Muslim Brotherhood to run Africa for them, the Anti-NWO Alliance was formed. If Cananda & the UK remain neutral, who doe the NWO have? The EU & the US... Oh... and the Muslim Brotherhood.

WW3 will probably be a very quick win for Anti-NWO Alliance.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: BuckeyeRon, 4/1/2013 11:26:33 AM     (No. 9253665)

Yes, #18...omitted Obamacare in my #4...

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Reply 21 - Posted by: toddh, 4/1/2013 11:41:13 AM     (No. 9253697)

Yes, right, President George W. Bush started the wars. They had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks he inherited from President Clinton and the Saddam he inherited from his dad.

Gosh, there´s no mention of President Clinton in the article at all. New York Times only prints trash.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: globalwarmer, 4/1/2013 11:48:00 AM     (No. 9253714)

#17 has it correct. Capitalism will always find a way around corrupt government interference in the marketplace, from moving offshore to operating in a "black" market.

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With Easter soon approaching, the Rev. Al Sharpton on Wednesday drew parallels between the resurrection of Jesus Christ and the resurrection of President Obama’s political career. Joining the “Tom Joyner Morning Show,” Mr. Sharpton said that his message for this Easter is that “no matter what the world may do to you unfairly, no matter how you’re crucified — nailed to the cross at home, or in your personal relationships, or on the job — that you can rise if you don’t lose yourself during the hard times and the challenges.” The reverend went on to say that Christ endured so much humiliation and unearned suffering leading up to his death,


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