During last night’s O’Reilly Factor, host Bill O’Reilly and his guest Megyn Kelly both agreed: same-sex marriage advocates have the “more compelling” argument, whereas their opponents have not done much besides “thump the Bible.” The revelation may come as a shock to many, as O’Reilly had previously made news for suggesting same-sex marriage would eventually lead to men wanting to marry ducks and other animals. But as he told Kelly last night, he is actually quite apathetic on the issue. “I don’t feel that strongly about it one way or
Comments: How stunning. O´Reilly, who is allegedly a devout Catholic, shocked me with his comments. You just never know what he is going to say.
What is a compelling argument for corrupting a standard of society that is thousands of years old and offered as a sacrament in the Church? When Kelly and O´Reilly are willing to look at it from the degenerate point of view, you know we are truly stooping to the lowest levels of society.
I hope they don´t see society deteriorate to the level of marrying into incest, multiple partners, bestiality, and all the other degenerate practices. While at the expense of those who have participated in what has been one of the pillars of a civilized society.
Let me pose an argument against gay marriage. I haven´t seen this anywhere else, but I think it is at least moderately compelling and it is from a conservative/libertarian point of view:
The only business that government has for being involved in anyway, shape or form is for the sake of future generations.
Except for one study, the studies of gay adoption have been asking the parents questions and not too surprisingly based on that they have been rather supportive of gay adoption. This is not a slam at their methodologies. Until recently the children involved have been too young to give mature, though-out responses and we all know how teenagers would respond to the question, how good are your parents?
Now we have one study, based on responses from grown children of gay couples. It was far less flattering. That could be due to a faulty methodology, but perhaps not. More study is needed before the government "blesses" these unions. It is for the sake of the children, ya know.
What does "thump the Bible" mean? Is it now derogatory to use the Bible to support your views of morality? As a Christian I believe that the Bible is the inspired Word of God. So a secular argument is now more compelling than the Word of God? Good grief we sinking faster than I ever thought. We are "Sloughing Towards Gomorrah" at high speed.
O´Reilly, low-IQ blowhard with the spine of a jellyfish and a self-regard beyond comprehesion. Kelly, a shrew with handles whose excessive cosmetics cover a shrill enthusiasm for rudeness. Neither can be called "compelling."
So if we asked Bill if bisexuals have a compelling argument for marrying two or more people, would he say yes? A man and woman uniting and producing a child is the basic building block of society. It´s an anatomical, biological, sociological, and historical reality and I find it a compelling argument. If this arrangement is redefined, then marriage becomes meaningless.
Back in the early times (dark ages), 40-50 years ago, you couldn´t pry a womans legs apart unless she had a trip to the altar and the magic ring on her finger. All that has changed with girls getting pregnant or on birth control in junior high school. With all the changes why get married at all.../s
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pete moss, 3/27/2013 11:24:44 AM (No. 9246431)
O´Reilly is a bag of hot air. Hannity, and to some extent Greta, are the only commentators on Fox that I continue to watch. Megyn and Shepard Smith are liberals. I can no longer stand either one of them.
Bill, I don´t ´thump the Bible´. I read the Bible. I believe the Bible is the inherent Word of God. God´s laws and commandments take precedent over any mere human´s wants and desires. God gave us these laws and commandments because He loves us and wants to protect us. You may choose to mock the gift of His Word (and those who put their faith in it) but you do so at your own eternal peril.
Regarding O´Reilly and Kelly´s statement. That´s because the media only interviews people who make a religion based argument against gay marriage. Which is the easiest for the media counter with their sound bites. Most of the people I associated with can make the argument without using any religion or tradition argument. But they never get interviewed. George Will came closest to explaining it in "What comes after I do". He still didn´t quite nail it but it´s a start.
First of all, there is one person in my extended family who is an out of the closet homosexual; we all love this person dearly, and would not like to see him persecuted on account of his sexuality. The same goes for most of our fellow LDotters who have outed themselves, and with whom I agree on practically every issue except this one. They´re still by compatriots and my friends, and always will be.
Homosexuality ought to be legally tolerated--that´s the end point of my libertarianism--but not celebrated or placed on a point-for-point parallel status to the traditional marriage of one man and one woman.
Although laws that used to prosecute homosexual behavior were wrong and should have been repealed (as they have been in the United States), attempts to "norm" homosexuality and place it in the same legal category as heterosexual marriage morally degrades our society. And, if one believes Scripture, moves the nation in the direction of chaos and divine judgment. Domestic partnerships with concomitant financial rights are proper, but calling such an arrangement a marriage is, it seems to me, not only wrong but willfully provocative. "Gay marriage" is a contradiction in terms.
No matter what the blunderbuss O´Reilly, Megyn Kelly, or Barney Frank or Elton John, for that matter, profess to believe, homosexuality just isn´t survival behavior, is medically dangerous, and ought not to be encouraged or regarded legally as equal to traditional heterosexual marriage, on which the future of the nation depends. On Judgment Day being what immoral folks derisively call "Bible thumpers" might not such a bad thing.
Funny how my first amendment religious right to not rent an apartment to gay or unmarried couples is not respected. And liberals say that only conservatives base their principles upon feelings.
You can bet that even though Christian principles are mocked, if this gay marriage issue turns into the law of the land, it will be no time until Muslims and other faiths/tribes argue that they should be allowed to have multiple wives because of their religion. Gay marriage is not an inherently constitutional issue, but a marriage based upon one´s religion could be. Dominoes falling, slippery slope, call it what you want.
What disturbs me is that Kelly and Oreilly, our guys, can´t make the case against gay marriage. So all we can do is look back ten years after gay marriage is legalized by scotus and throw our I told you so´s around?
Not sure what was inaccurate about what was said on FNC. Even many posters here based their position on the Bible. That´s well and good, but not persuasive if you´re trying to win the political argument. "Because the Bible tells me so" isn´t a great legal argument.
There are lots of arguments against gay marriage--some of which were posted here--Bill and Megyn are correct in saying that you don´t hear them enough.
Of course, whether gay marriage is good or bad shouldn´t be the issue. The issue is supposed to be what the Constitution says about it, but we´re long since past the time when Supremes actually based their views on the Constitution.
Bill and Megan have simply checked the way the wind is blowing from FOX superiors and the Republican establishment who think the way to win is to move left. So, keeping in line, what else could they say?
Marriage evolved from a societal/cultural need to socialize children and self regulate sexual activity. It predates by eons the religious trappings of the institution. It is suggested here that it is a mistake, perhaps a very worthy one, but a mistake nevertheless to use religion to argue against homosexual unions. The counter-culture is viscerally hostile to religion and the majority remain apathetic. Further it gives media hustlers like these two jackasses an opportunity to pontificate and preen for ratings.
It all comes down to what your definition of the word "is" is (thanks bj clinton). The definition of what marriage "is" can be changed to whatever you want. Decent thinking people actually know what the definition is. You can call the dog´s tail a leg, but the dog still only has 4 legs.
This is about finding a way to thwart religious freedom, because once it is decided that the government WILL back up gay marriages, in spite of people´s voice against it, NOTHING will be held back to put the legal clamp on any entity that not only supports it but caters to it. Remember the cases where a place was sued because they wouldnt allow a gay wedding? Where a photographer was sued because they turned down a gay client? That was just the beginning. Now think of all the churches out there who say they will not support a gay wedding. Not only will they have social pressure, but a SC ruling against them!
Mediaite? Andrew Kirell? Huh? Who the hell gives a crap what you choose to "report"? Hey, Andy, try going over to Walter Reed and get the scoop from the survivors on what really happened in Benghazi Libya!!!
Oh, sorry, that doesnt "fit your agenda"...
As far as O´Reilly and Kelly, two real creeps, I gave up on both of them long ago, dont watch anyone on Fox except Cavuto....dont care what that dumb blonde or loofa boy think about ANYTHING!! Go have another whiskey shot with Beckel and shut up! A man putting his____into another mans ____ and a woman lying down with another woman are NOT things to publicize or legalize! They are abominations, deviance, sins in the eyes of the Lord, and the human race would disappear from this planet if they were the majority! Idiots! Is that what those GODLESS liberals real goal is?
Let´s talk about the unintended consequences of such legislation. Indicted criminals could marry to avoid testifying against each other. A person could marry a distant relative to avoid estate taxes, cut someone out of an inheritance, or pass on a pension. I´m sure there are many more examples, but these come to mind.
I stopped watching Lurch O´Wrongly. Wanna know why? Because he claims he is "looking out for the folks"...and then he does a complete ballerina spin 180 right before your tired eyes there on Fox News, Gay Marriage, Obama, whatever he spins off on and completely goes against what most of us here think and feel...so by bye Bozo Bill, I dont care how many vewers you claim nor how much income you claim to garner from all of your posturing drivel..I aint buying it no more! See ya! As for Kelly, the lawyer, the straight-faced "know-it-all"...Up yours too! What a waste of air for two whole hours! Id like to "thump" my bible on both of your PIN heads!
Bill OReilly is still coming out of a very public failure as a husband and father. I have no idea what Megyn Kelly´s experience has been with her parents or if she has children, but aside from the obvious MONEY grab involved with same sex ´marriage,´ the entire issue is the importance of role models of man and women to the children, which is the whole point of a real, traditional, marriage. Two women simply can´t model or teach any child about men, fathers and husbands. They simply CAN´T do it Megyn. Two homosexual men can not convey what a mother is to anyone, Bill. See, media idiots, the Bible wasn´t mention once. Just real life instead of the PC fantasy activist freaks insist is reality.
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