West Ashley resident Shirley Wilson gets $32 a month in food stamp vouchers, and she said it´s not the government´s business to tell her what kind of food she should be able to buy with them. “Nobody should tell me how to eat, except when I´m dying and a doctor puts me on restrictions,” said Wilson, shopping at Save-A-Lot in West Ashley Tuesday afternoon. [Snip] That´s exactly what Gov. Nikki Haley wants to do. Haley has proposed restricting soda, candy and other high-sugar, low-fiber foods from purchase by food-stamp recipients in an effort to help curb the state´s obesity problem.
Comments: I go with Haley on this one. Our money is buying the products that make recipients sick and our money is paying their medical bills. As someone in the article commented, it doesn´t make sense. Candy and soda are not essential "foods" in my book.
This one will be fun to watch. It´s okay for the government to require the posting of calorie counts at restaurants despite the cost to the owners, but it´s too expensive to figure out which foods are healthy. Go figure!
The difference between Bloomberg´s Big Gulp restrictions and Nicki Haley´s proposal is that the SNAP (supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program) is that it is designed to provide nutrition not junk food. Of course that´s too complex for the government to figure out.
The same people who applaud Mike Bloomberg´s meddling with the personal choices of New Yorkers are opposed to Nikki Haley´s attempt to meddle with the personal choices of food stamp recipients. Since both meddlers justify their meddling on health and economic grounds there would seem to be little to choose between them. Haley wants to meddle with poor people -or, in any case, food stamp recipients, not all of whom are poor in the traditional sense- and Bloomberg wants to meddle with EVERYBODY everywhere. He is a equal opportunity meddler, a compulsive, perhaps even a pathological case, a Napoleon of social engineers and world-improvers.
But meddling is meddling. While some need and justification can be argued to monitor the use of taxpayer funds by recipients of charity such as food stamps, micromanaging the dietary choices of such individuals is intrusive and of doubtful utility. More stringent means tests and exit strategies, e.g. how to keep the term of dependence on public charity as brief as possible, would seem to be a more productive approach.
The Bloombergs of the world are compulsive meddlers who think it is their responsibility to stick their noses into and to mind other people´s business - for their own good, of course. Nothing can be done about them but to contain their dictatorial impulses. In a certain narrow sort of way, they are actually kind of crazy.
Except #5, that in the one case, the government provides the money used, with the justification that people will otherwise starve to death. So, does the government not have the responsibility to see to it that public money used specifically to prevent starvation is use to do just that?
In the other case, it´s personal choices made with personal monies that are usually obtained without government involvement and, therefore, the government has no business poking it´s nose into the matter.
Unlike most of you on this site I was actually on foodstamps when the mill I was working in closed. It allowed me to feed my children (along with leftover pizza from the Papa Johns I was able to get a part time job at.) It is a great program. But, I was shocked that there were so few restrictions on what you could buy with food stamps.
After giving up on finding a local job, I moved and was lucky enough to get a professional job again.
So, after living on both sides of the fence - I do not see any reason to be buying poor folks junk food. It is that simple.
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country boy, 3/27/2013 9:07:37 AM (No. 9246106)
Taking junk food off the SNAP program is a no-brainer. Taxpayers should not be giving food to the moocher class which will just create huge health costs down the road in Medicare and Medicaid. Anybody who doesn´t understand that is either dishonest or brain dead.
The Shirley Wilsons of the world can´t get on that death bed fast enough.
I, too, was on food stamps for a brief period because of an unexpected change in my employment status. I hated using them - this was back when they were actual paper slips. I would go to a grocery in another town just so now one would recognize me. But I greatly appreciated them. But then again, I´m not Shirley Wilson.
Good point, #8, food stamps should be there when they are needed. Saw a lady with a cart full of ´greens,´ dried beans and other staple, she paid with food stamps. Her family will eat well. Saw another women, younger, she and her friend were wearing expensive leather jackets, they had lobster, steaks and what not. After paying with food stamps he took out a roll of green to pay for the booze and cigarettes.
Someone should tell these folks that one of the prices of getting something for nothing is that you may have to give up some freedom. As famously noted " There ain´t no such thing as a fre lunch." ( Tanstaafl)
See, #5, that´s the rub, isn´t it? When the piper plays, you have to dance to his tune. That´s the way governments are, too. If it give you "assistance", you have to do what it says, when it says, how it says. All of these programs, however well intentioned their creators may have been, end up becoming tools for fostering dependency and control.
Welfare isn´t about helping people, it is about control.
"Obamacare" isn´t about health care it is about control.
This is a wonderful idea, it will be interesting to see if the makers of foods without nutritional value can scuttle it. It is easy to attack the stupid who say they should be able to buy Fluffernutter . . . . . harder to deal with the lobbying of the manufacturer of Fluffernutter.
Fluffernutter , Pringles and bacon rinds are choices I can make with my money .I love them as occasional treats and paid with my own money . they are one of the rewards we have for living in a mostly capitalistic society . the ingenuity and profit potential for the company that provides this is something to appreciate , not condemn .But, to steal my money to give it to someone who unwisely buys Fluffernutter instead of basic nutritional needs hurts the buyer with malnourishment , even if fat , hurts me by the theft and misallocates resources unwisely through gov´t error..
Controlling people´s choices for their own good is the argument of the philosopher-Sophist Sarah Conly in praise of the government nanny state. She does not link this to public charity. She claims that government has a responsibility to monitor and guide and when necessary coerce individual choices when the latter are adjudged not to be in their true interest - as determined, of course, by Sarah Conly and people like her. This is the basic mindset of all meddlers, do-gooders, control freaks and busybodies. They are, they insist, only trying to help. That their help in seldom if ever requested, indeed that it is many time vehemently opposed and rejected, only proves to them how urgently it is needed.
Micromanaging the dietary choices of recipients of public charity is insulting and unnecessary. Nobody is going to starve to death by eating junk food. The science behind the claims for the adverse effects of such diets is by no means as definitive and unequivocal as nutrition zealots claim. Much of it is propaganda, as with global warming.
Those who are interesting primarily in doing good to food stamp recipients have one agenda, others like me have another. I would like to see as few people as possible enrolled and as many as possible discharged from the rolls as quickly as possible. Of course, that is MY version of doing them good, encouraging them to rely upon their own resources to the maximum extent possible.
Some people who wish to meddle and micromanage the personal choices of recipients of public charity such as food stamps are actually motivated by a desire to punish and humiliate the recipients.
No adults should be getting any Federal hand outs unless they are for their under 18yo kids. No adult foodstamps of any kind, for any product. Then they shouod have to pay it back through income taxes.
The "we get to control your behavior because we are paying your medical bills" is a very, very dangerous argument to make in the age of Obamacare, subsidized health insurance premiums, and (eventually) single payer.
The left condemns (and tries to close down) charities like homeless missions that require attendance at a worship service or have other rules of participation in order to receive meals and a bed for the night. They are such hypocrites to criticize any requirements for taxpayer-donated benefits. And where is Mrs. Preezy - why isn´t she championing Gov. Haley´s proposal? Ramona (the Pest)
The bigger problem is the ones that shouldn´t have food assistance to begin with and getting hundreds of dollars.
We can´t argue that Bloomie and the Wookie has no business telling people what to drink or eat, then checking out grocery cards of the people using EBT cards.
I am concerned that if you have multiple illegitimate children or anchor babies, you need a gold card while the elderly deserve little to nothing. I have no problem with a frail older person eating a half gallon of icecream.
We have more concerns sitting in DC than checking out grocery carts.
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