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Time to Secede…
From the GOP

Canada Free Press, by Chip McLean

Original Article

Posted By:mikkins2, 3/24/2013 9:51:55 AM

Is there anyone remaining with an IQ above room temperature who actually believes that the Republican Party believes in limited government, as defined by the U.S. constitution? If so, they have either been hibernating or have been in complete self-denial. Every election cycle the Republican Party counts on its “conservative base” to dutifully turn out and mark their ballot for whatever candidate has been selected by the GOP leadership. We are told ad infinitum that doing so will keep the Democrat liberal demons from furthering their agenda. The inside-the-beltway establishment has been chanting this mantra for years

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Eh-Yup! Empty promises and no results are no longer going to cut it. Veruca Salt tantrums and pointing fingers at everyone else is not going to cut it anymore either. Been there done that.

Either the GOP/NRC Establishment will change or die. It is really that simple.

Got Tea?

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: CleanhouseinDc, 3/24/2013 9:57:26 AM     (No. 9241245)

Already done. They got my secession notice at the beginning of the year when they called and asked me to reup.



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Reply 2 - Posted by: Pros7767, 3/24/2013 10:05:24 AM     (No. 9241253)

Ditto #1, along with a lengthy list of reasons why I will never donate to them again.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Malia2012, 3/24/2013 10:16:13 AM     (No. 9241274)

"Time to secede"? Seriously? IMHO, It is nonsensical headlines like that which enabled the most anti-American "president" in the history of this country to be re-elected in Nov., 2012. Congratulations, all you genius ex-Gopers, YOU win! The REST of US lose!

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Elvira, 3/24/2013 10:17:31 AM     (No. 9241275)

Same here. Boy, did they get an earful last time they called. I told them no more money until Boehner et.al., get a spine!!

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Reply 5 - Posted by: J F Ackerman, 3/24/2013 10:17:57 AM     (No. 9241277)

Time for a Conservative Party devoted to conservative governing principles. However, let me start a fight here by saying the new Conservative Party should establish street credibility with an emphasis on Federalism, small efficient governance and strong America-centric foreign policy. Fight the social battles from outside the political party. We have to stop letting the Democrats choose the battlefield.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Refried, 3/24/2013 10:18:35 AM     (No. 9241281)

Dittos to all above!!!!

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Refried, 3/24/2013 10:20:03 AM     (No. 9241283)

Except poster #3.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: pindarjr, 3/24/2013 10:20:45 AM     (No. 9241284)

Dear Mr. Rove, I understand and even sympathize with your and your cohort´s scramble to find a winning strategy, but if the GOP will not or cannot represent my personal views and values, what the (expurgated) am I doing voting for your party?

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Reply 9 - Posted by: youngtexan, 3/24/2013 10:23:12 AM     (No. 9241288)

Did that back in 2007 when Bush decided to grant auto companies bailouts.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: HonestDon, 3/24/2013 10:26:45 AM     (No. 9241291)

The GOP has become nothing more that the "a little less liberal" arm of the democrat party. They left US long ago.

That said, #3 is absolutely correct. "Purist conservatives" re-elected Obama, who got less votes than McCain did in 2008. How stupid!

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Bumblebee, 3/24/2013 10:33:09 AM     (No. 9241303)

Yes, but there were an awful lot of "Bush believers" on this forum. I , of course, kept posting that I thought he had the brains of a box of rocks. [ like I am so smart, you know] Everyone with an "R" in front of their name, especially pushed by the GOP establishment, is not always
as represented.
Stop donating until you have checked the candidate out. No one is perfect, but donate to the person you believ in.


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Reply 12 - Posted by: Buzzman, 3/24/2013 10:34:37 AM     (No. 9241305)

Sorry #3 but history proves you wrong. The Republicans told us to vote for RINO McCain and how did that work out? They told us to vote for Faux Conservative Romney and how did that work out?

I´m all done with them. You know.....you keep doing the same thing over and over expecting different results is......

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Reply 13 - Posted by: jglas, 3/24/2013 10:40:29 AM     (No. 9241308)

The Republicans are the party of big government. The Democrats are the party of immense government. I´m tired of having to settle for the lesser of two evils. When will we get a real choice?

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Reply 14 - Posted by: tisHimself, 3/24/2013 10:44:33 AM     (No. 9241315)

The t party needs to show some muscle in 2014 as it did in 2010. Feel free to run against the establishment GOP. At every level, PTA, school board, local judges.... where you can find bodies, identify them, support them unite them. Limited government, socially conservative, able to articulate and identify government threat to our culture and historic greatness. Connect on social media. And identify and call out the old guard, the establishment republicans and identify their motivations. We´ve done it here with some success-- the Bush lovin Palin hatin black turtleneck free shrimp republicans who are responsible for this mess. You know who they are and they become less persuasive with every comment.

No need for a third party, but the possibility of running between the tackles and supporting conservative minorities as democrats where country club republicans cannot win ought to be considered. The enemy of my enemy.....

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Reply 15 - Posted by: spahrkl, 3/24/2013 10:44:51 AM     (No. 9241316)

well, instead of giving to the National GOP, we have decided to give to the candidate that best represents conservatism.

There are those out there who reflect our ideas, but they are few. They need support because the atmosphere they are in is so negative and corrupt. We outnumber the nasty Rep. politicians, let´s become more active and join those who oppose the Rep.
agenda. McCain, Boehner, Graham, those two
woman from the north east, Collins and what´s her name. This country is too great to just give up. That´s what the Libs are counting on.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: mikkins2, 3/24/2013 10:45:43 AM     (No. 9241318)

Sorry #3 and #10 but it is the job of the candidates and their party to turn out its base by earning their vote, not the base bringing the vote back to them as if we were just "barrowing" it until election time. This is a perfect example of the entitlement attitude and smug ignorance of the Republican Establishment.

The "purity" meme is tired unproven excuse that only delusional bitter clingers grasp onto to be able to pretend that its always someone else´s fault.

I have said it before and I will say it again; the one thing that binds all conservatives is less government and lower taxes. This is NOT being delivered by the current Republican Establishment because they are as addicted to the power and money as the democrats are. That is the core issue and the base reason the Republican Party is going down in flames.

Until they get that corrected no one is buying the excuses anymore but those profiting from the status quo.

Got Tea?

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Reply 17 - Posted by: StormCnter, 3/24/2013 10:50:11 AM     (No. 9241324)

There is already a Conservative Party, for those of you who are disenchanted. Join up. See where it takes you. http://home.conservativepartyusa.org/

The rest of us will see if we can fix the fixable, find the best candidates, support them with time and money, and turn out at the ballot box. Sitting in the corner sucking a thumb (or joining the Conservative Party) is not an option for me.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: doctorfixit, 3/24/2013 10:50:58 AM     (No. 9241326)

The way I see it, the supporters of freedom are facing two Goliaths. To me it makes sense to kill the weaker one first before going after the stronger one.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: gerty, 3/24/2013 11:06:18 AM     (No. 9241350)

All of this is nonsense when viewed through the eyes of one who says: Hold on!! Before you go demolishing an entire leaning house; make sure the rulers you use to build over/repair the old house are giving you an accurate reading!!

Itching to fix something? Better start with our broken system for counting votes!!!

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Keekng, 3/24/2013 11:08:45 AM     (No. 9241355)

Although I am less than happy about the GOP and have told them so, there seems to be an inordinate amount of rock throwing toward them by media wonks.


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Reply 21 - Posted by: 49 Ford, 3/24/2013 11:19:10 AM     (No. 9241369)

Blah, blah, blah. It´s easy to write a column like this, but what would it mean in the real world?

- History is against it. Third parties have never gained any permanent traction in this country. A new conservative party would be no different. How many people in this country have ever heard of or care about the Constitution Party?

- A new party with no infrastructure, no existence on the state and local levels would amount to nothing. It would take decades to build a viable party, and we just do not have that sort of time.

- And as a practical matter, what would such a party actually stand for? It´s easy and fun to go on about returning to constitutional principles and so forth, but what policy positions would a new party actually endorse? Abolition of social security and Medicare? Abolish the FDIC? A return to the glorious 1920´s? Round up all the illegals and dump ´em in the ocean? Good luck with any of that.

For better and worse, we are not the country we once were. It may already be too late to save anything - perhaps the rubicon was crossed for good in 2012. But even if that is not the case, a third party is not way to go.



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Reply 22 - Posted by: Davids918, 3/24/2013 11:20:42 AM     (No. 9241371)

Sorry, #16, but when you become unreliable member of the group, you are not going to be listened to.

Withholding your vote as some sort of protest does NOT get their attention.

Showing up in large numbers and contibuting does.

Democrats count on dividing the conservative base.
After all, only 20% of the population is liberal, but the liberals are running the country. Why?
They turn out their base, and expand it by dealing with moderate and conservative Democrats so they can WIN, and thus, control the agenda.
46% of the population idendities as conservative.

Turn out is such massive numbers to elect any/all Republicans, and you´ll start to get everyone´s attention.

And then realize you can´t simply reverse everything in one election. It takes time.

But, only with a significant majority will you change the Democrat agenda.



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Reply 23 - Posted by: preciosodrogas, 3/24/2013 11:21:17 AM     (No. 9241372)

The call to vote for losers because that is our only hope is sounding quite foolish. It is this same call to vote for losers that has cost us the last two elections and given us two terms of Obama. Yet, the day after the loss they start all over again, crying we must, we have to, vote for, support, the same losers or we will lose - huh? Look at McCain´s actions since the loss ... and it was our duty to vote for him to save the Country - huh? With that kind of insanity calling for our support it is no wonder there is fracturing of the Party. Who can follow that kind of foolishness for long? None are so blind as those who have eyes but do not see.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Foggybottom, 3/24/2013 11:43:27 AM     (No. 9241402)

#11, Mea Culpa, I was one of those you describe. My eyes didn´t start opening until I realized that G.W. Bush would never defend himself nor the conservative principles he ran on. Again in 2004 when Rove´s meme was that the main issue in the presidential election was the Iraq war when it really concerned illegal immigration and government debt.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: tomishere, 3/24/2013 11:47:53 AM     (No. 9241410)

I´m trying to get the logic of this, Romney was not conservative enough so I stayed home and help elect a man that wants to destroy this country. Whats to make of that? The person doing this do they hate their country, or are they unbelievable stupid.If you can´t see the different between Romney and Obama you must have gone on the little school bus to school. If you really want a more conservative party you would get off your lazy ass and get involved in the primary process, but that´s to much work isn´t it. For these of you who sit home like petulant children, remember if a bomb goes off and kills a loved one you´ll be responsible.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: mikkins2, 3/24/2013 11:55:59 AM     (No. 9241422)

To assume to know how I voted and then lecture me that I do not know how politics work is exactly to the point I am making. Yes the direction of the country does take time. And as history will show you the Republican Party has avoided doing so for far to long now. The Republican Party is on the precipice of the even horizon. It either will change or get sucked into the black hole of irrelevance. The Republican Establishment is at the controls. Whether they choose that the party lives or dies is on their heads, not the base. It is time that the few (Republican Establishment) start to act as if they have the same goals as the many (The Base).

I said during the election that dollar bills do not vote, and even though Romney was able to raise a ton of it, it did not get him elected. Where did all that money go? Why it went into the pockets of the professional consultant class, their marketing companies, and the election campaign staff who pushed a diluted message of mumbled promises and vague ideas that no one believed.

It is time to face the truth. Money itself will never win an election. It is the message that wins elections along with actions that support the message by the party who seeks to earn a persons single vote.

The Republican Party will not make a stand on limited government and lower spending. Their purpose therefor is corrupted.

Don´t expect people to volunteer for the fire brigade when the fire chief and his professional firefighters are pouring gas on a flaming Constitution to make sure they retain the job for putting it out.

Got Tea?

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Pluperfect, 3/24/2013 12:02:52 PM     (No. 9241433)

It´s even worse, #25. It appears that since George W. Bush didn´t squall and scream "unfair" every time the national media treated him badly, that, too, was sufficient reason to stop supporting the only alternatives to the Dems´ remaking of our country into something unlivable. Romney wasn´t conservative enough, Dubya wasn´t defensive enough, Rove can´t be allowed to spend PAC money because he´s not liked either, etc., etc., etc. These complainers scream at the RNC, but vow not to send any money to help. I have two questions. One is which Republican candidate would have done better on Election Day, 2012? The second question is why does anyone post, read or comment on anything from Canada Free Press?



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Reply 28 - Posted by: PoliticalJunky, 3/24/2013 12:09:20 PM     (No. 9241441)

Where are all you guys going?

And don´t tell me the Tea Party. I just resigned from Tea Party Patriots because they want to recruit conservative Democrats to run for office. I can´t expect much help from an organization so delusional that they think conservative Democrats will not vote a strict party line when they get in.

I´m with #3.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Nevadadad46, 3/24/2013 12:15:52 PM     (No. 9241453)

I donated money to the Republican Presidential candidate, and they signed me up - and now they want more money. The received a very nasty red-ink letter in return with huge ´zeros´ all over it. Not one dime until they prove worthy of it! I said. Byt, I am like the poor lost blacks in our nation- To what other party am I goning to go?

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Reply 30 - Posted by: hot coffee, 3/24/2013 12:18:46 PM     (No. 9241455)

Go ahead and secede. Kindly take your Todd Akins and Richard Mourdocks with you.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: 49 Ford, 3/24/2013 12:18:55 PM     (No. 9241456)

#29, if they actually believe there is such a thing as a conservative Democrat then they really are deluded. If they are open to being sucked by pretend moderate Dems like Mark Warner, Jim Webb and others, then that is even worse.


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Reply 32 - Posted by: kahunavol, 3/24/2013 12:22:27 PM     (No. 9241459)

Voted for your guy, he lost, in 2008 and 2012, to the worst president in my lifetime. Your ability to lecture me ends there.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: Dragonslayer2, 3/24/2013 12:25:35 PM     (No. 9241466)

I printed this article out because of its unutterable stupidity. The Republican party counts on its base to vote for its candidates? Well,yeah. Who else would they vote for? There are only two major parties. If you don´t vote for your candidate and they do vote for theirs, they win.

Motivated by their own political gain? What do our party leaders gain by losing?

Boehner´s lack of a spine? He knows what is possible. He is the man in the arena. If I wanted someone to scream and shout, I woul select Hulk Hogan or Tiny Tim.( Is he
still around?) Politics remains the Art of the Possible.

It is beyond denial that we need a larger tent, not a series of ego- driven pup tents.
That´s what this writer´s recipe would produce ( See replies for proof.)

Final question: When was the last time a break away- or splinter party won a national election? This is for you posters who will " never ... again". Get real.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: 4LadyK, 3/24/2013 12:26:24 PM     (No. 9241468)

left the GOP years ago (during Bush) after leaving the Dem´s in my very early 30´s and realizing the GOP was just a "lite" version of them and that they were all ivy league/globalists/elites. Then I joined the tea party but they became way too political too fast. So now I vote libertarian and conservative wherever I can and donate directly to the causes or people that I agree with. I also support the NRA and many other grass-roots and Christian causes and charaties (FOTF Action for one). I also let the GOP know how i feel via emails, twitter, FB, etc. I also support certain people via FB, twitter, etc .However,all that being said, I´m not suicidal. When Romney was nominated I voted for him. Even a "lite democrat/elitist" is better than Obama. In the meantime I´ll do my part to get as many conservatives and libertarians into office on the federal and local levels so we can take back our country. I will also continue to call out and ridicule the enemy via conversations with friends, social media, etc.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: Susannah, 3/24/2013 12:31:16 PM     (No. 9241478)

#29, Tea Party Patriots also refused to endorse Romney, on the grounds that he was indistinguishable from Obama. Good to know that they´re now recruiting "conservative" Democrats. Are they really so deluded as to believe that a so-called "conservative" Democrat won´t fall right in line behind Pelosi and Company.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: tisHimself, 3/24/2013 12:32:09 PM     (No. 9241480)

Reagan, 1980.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: cobieone, 3/24/2013 12:34:53 PM     (No. 9241484)

Amen #17, 25, 28, et al. People like the OP can´t see that these articles are written just to stir this division amongst the conservative base. If we conservatives unite, this country could be saved from the Left. But too many conservatives can´t be bothered with reason about how our principles die a slow death in the minority. Meanwhile, our nation suffers. Right now, as we bicker, the House Republicans are trying to stop ObamaCare, and we are busy condemning them. Posters 17, 25, 28...we are waisting our breath.

By the way OP, who is the Tea Party candidate we should get behind? My guess is, everyone on this thread would be glad to support. I must have missed him/her on the primary ballot.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: slipstik, 3/24/2013 12:37:31 PM     (No. 9241492)

This was one of the better written pieces on the state of the republicrat party today. When they presented that flip flopper as presidential timber after politically assassinating every other viable candidate I did hold my nose long enough to vote for him. In the end, it made no difference. But here´s the thing folks. There isn´t time to change course. History is on the verge of making all these arguments moot. When the dollar crashes, as it will by the end of this year, it won´t make any difference who our candidates are. The United States that we have known and loved will no longer exist as we know it today, or maybe I should say, as we knew it a long yesterday ago. There is no political solution. Get that through your heads. Time is up, the jig is up, prepare for the worst. The political class has conspired against us and the fourth estate is the fifth column. Our dear ruler is only the final nail in the lid of the coffin they are burying us in.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: trapper, 3/24/2013 12:40:29 PM     (No. 9241495)

Lots of tough talk from north of the snow line. Lots of free advice for how we should do it on OUR side of the fence. Come on down and put your own skin in this game. Otherwise you´re just kibitzers.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: Grant Hodges, 3/24/2013 1:09:43 PM     (No. 9241529)

The Rovian establishment RInOs beat the Tea Party each pres election primary season because the Tea Party is dumb.

Uh,....stupid.

Karl Rove, et. al., was thrilled to see the Tea Party field 6-7 candidates and use them to grind each other to the nubbins, while they field Romney, and ignore Glen Beck´s faux father´s ambassadorial son. What was his name?

Want to lose again in ?

Then field another 7 or so Tea Party Candidates. Do the Math.

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Reply 41 - Posted by: TheMotherCO, 3/24/2013 1:26:56 PM     (No. 9241546)

Seventeen and others are the ones I agree with. I also have no notion of why the royal canadians are commenting on our vote. They are stuck with an aging queen spending millions while the brits run out of fuel for their homes. I will continue giving as much as I can to the Republican Party and will vote for our candidate. Mitt was not a flip flopper and would have made an outstanding President. Candidates can say what they like, I don´t judge them by every misspoken phrase. The perfect man died on the cross. Obammykins is the devil.

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Reply 42 - Posted by: janebond007, 3/24/2013 1:31:49 PM     (No. 9241551)

Any conservative who thinks the Republican Party is for limited government and lower taxes needs serious therapy. As for turning out and voting for all republicans what has that got us? They just talk big in front of the camera and then vote with the Democrats. A third party can´t be any worse than your own party voting with the opposite side. I left the Republican Party last month. My money will only go to those who are truly serious about limiting government.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: Iamfree, 3/24/2013 1:33:18 PM     (No. 9241554)

Couldn´t say it better the #35. It gets a little old feeling like Charlie Brown perpetually kicking it that football as Lucy yanks away giggling. I do vote for the lesser of two evils, but they will never get another dime of mine until they get back to Conservative constitutional principles. I pick very carefully the candidates I give any money directly to. Shame on the GOP for becoming what it has become.

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Reply 44 - Posted by: GreatPlains, 3/24/2013 1:42:58 PM     (No. 9241568)

# 41 Rove´s PAC-American Crossroads ran many terrific commercials to help conservatives
and Tea Party candidates in 2010 and 2012.
It´s ridiculous to besmirch and slander a guy
that actually was pro active in trying to
help defeat Democrats.
He spent months and months of his own time traveling the country and raising millions so
he could run ads against Democrats.
All the loud mouths on the right who always
trash Rove didn´t raise a dime for the cause.
How many ads did Limbaugh and Levin and
Beck and Palin run ?
I am a lifelong Republican.
I will stay a Republican and will continue to work to elect Republicans.
If others are unhappy with the Republican Party, please devote your time and energy to forming
your own party and
stop trying to burn down and
destroy the Republican Party on your way out.
The far right does not support the candidates nominated by the Republican primary voter,
they don´t show up at elections and they run down every elected Republican and
Republican official and yet,
they refuse to form their own party.
Secede , form your own party, no one is stopping you.
The endless complaints and undercutting of elected Republicans
by the far right accomplishes nothing.
It certainly doesn´t help defeat Democrats,
in fact, it helps them.




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Reply 45 - Posted by: QRP, 3/24/2013 2:26:50 PM     (No. 9241627)

Like it or not, the country is over. Romney was the last hope, and everyone knew he would never by president. From now on politics is a waste of time. The course is set and there is no way to change it.
You know what is going to happen, you know the new rules. Now is the time to put you efforts and resources into making your life better. You can´t help the country, but you may be able to help yourself.

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Reply 46 - Posted by: yuban, 3/24/2013 3:14:19 PM     (No. 9241668)

So the above posters, all of you, are the GOP? Now I know why you keep losing.

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Reply 47 - Posted by: miceal, 3/24/2013 3:26:39 PM     (No. 9241680)

Me too #1. I treated the RNC "reup" mailing like an AARP Membership request, tore it into little pieces and returned it to the RNC in their self addressed envelope with a note saying I resign and I didn´t leave the party, the party left me. I got a "matching gift" letter in the mail yesterday. Yes, it´s going back the same way as above....

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Reply 48 - Posted by: flatwater, 3/24/2013 3:51:55 PM     (No. 9241713)

Done.

I told the GOP to stop calling me. I informed them that I will never donate to the national party again.

I will, however, support individual candidates who demonstrate brains, spine and a dedication to the Constitution. Ted Cruz is doing me proud.

Other than that, the GOP can go pound sand.

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Reply 49 - Posted by: 4Justice, 3/24/2013 3:53:03 PM     (No. 9241716)

I don´t have the patience to read everybody´s comments, but #3 is absolutely correct. The problem is NOT the party itself, but rather it is the people we keep re-electing!!! We need to get rid of the professional politicians and old party bosses. WE, the people, are the actual party.

#12, if you´re talking about McCain as a Presidential candidate, that´s the fault of a corrupt primary system. For years, I´ve said that primaries should not be drawn out w/ the same states back east always being first. All primaries should be on the same date so the West coast isn´t disenfranchised. And NO open primaries! If you´re talking about McCain being re-elected to the Senate, the problem is we need better candidates to run against incumbents. Hayworth was a control-freak, big government nightmare.

We need to take responsibility for our party. Stop blaming & get out and fix it!! We will NEVER win with a 3rd party.

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Reply 50 - Posted by: dmjr, 3/24/2013 3:54:12 PM     (No. 9241717)

At this rate, how long will it be before we cross the rubicon and secede from the country?

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Reply 51 - Posted by: Britvah1, 3/24/2013 4:31:53 PM     (No. 9241752)

The GOP is to the Democrat party as the Washington Generals are to the Harlem Globetrotters. They are there to provide feeble token opposition. That´s how Orrin Hatch can be BFF to Ted Kennedy, and John McCain can be horse face Kerry´s BFF.
The phony squabbles, pretend enmities, and loud mouthed rhetoric (backed with little or no action) are reminiscent of the antics of "wrestlers" in the WWF.
Third party is no more of a loser for conservatives than the current setup.

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Reply 52 - Posted by: SheikYerBooty, 3/24/2013 7:18:46 PM     (No. 9241918)

I´m not here to educate anyone but it amazes me that there are so many LoInFo Republican sycophants that don´t grasp the big picture and aren´t capable of connecting the dots.

The Karl Rove RINO candidates got their clocks cleaned in 2012.

George Allen, Tommy Thompson, Connie Mack, Rick Berg, Denny Rehberg, Heather Wilson and Scott Brown are just some of the Senate seats Rove and the RINOs lost in 2012.

Add in the seats that Rove cost the Republican Party by deliberately sabotaging "non-RINO" candidates in the primaries and on the national level in 2012 you have epic failure.

The irony is that Karl Rove and his fellow insiders have become wealthy fleecing the uninformed rank and file Republican supporters.





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Reply 53 - Posted by: tisHimself, 3/24/2013 7:27:18 PM     (No. 9241926)

To be fair, Tommy Thompson wasn´t out of sync so much as unfunded. He got zero help from the RNC until it was too late. The establishment was content to turn away from the T party grass roots structure that worked so well for Ron Johnson, rather than acknowledge that the national organization needed a mirror, both hands and a flashlight.
That national stratergy, you know.

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Reply 54 - Posted by: yorkiemom, 3/24/2013 7:36:30 PM     (No. 9241939)

#45, I live in NV and remember Mark Levin on the radio every 5 minutes telling us what an outstanding candidate Sharron Angle was. I also remember Karl Rove donating to her campaign, but not doing any ads that I know of. Then, a few ads by the Dems painting her as a nutcase, and she lost big time. Truth to tell, she started acting like a nutcase. I didn´t vote for her in the primary because I didn´t think her chances were good against Reid, but of course I voted for her in the general. Some posters dislike our "rino" candidates, but don´t seem to want to admit that some of the tea party ones are great either.

To the poster who said George W. was as dumb as a box of rocks, I´d rather have a box of rocks for president than what we have now.

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Reply 55 - Posted by: MDConservative, 3/24/2013 8:03:35 PM     (No. 9241958)

#21 said: "History is against it. Third parties have never gained any permanent traction in this country."

The Jeopardy answer is, "What is the Republican Party?" Meet any Whigs recently?

That said, the campaign finance and ballot access laws make it almost impossible to get traction without a pile of money to start. The easiest route is to take over the Republican Party and rename it. That´s not going to happen unless American principles are stood by. People today have become convinced that government control is preferable to personal liberty. The authoritarians have the upper hand, with plenty of "conservative" help, especially in the name of post-9/11 security.

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Reply 56 - Posted by: noproblems, 3/24/2013 9:54:35 PM     (No. 9242039)

#25 and #28, you have no courage or imagination.

You would have stood with the Whigs in the 1850s instead of the party of Lincoln.

You accept mediocracy from the republican party

You continue to support a party that lost twice to an empty suit 0bama.

Understand history and you will undertand the republican party is a waste of time

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Reply 57 - Posted by: dogbreath, 3/24/2013 11:02:54 PM     (No. 9242088)

L.I.B.E.R.T.A.R.I.A.N.

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Reply 58 - Posted by: belwhatter, 3/25/2013 2:18:21 AM     (No. 9242174)

It is obvious to me that the R party has strayed badly off course and closely resembles the Democrat party leaving us
´purists´ who believe in common sense, constitution and conservatism no choice but to form the New Party - it won´t be the third party however - that title is reserved for dying losing GOP corpse, And as #19 so wisely stated if we don´t clean up the election process first, there will
be no sense in voting at all.

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Reply 59 - Posted by: MissMolly, 3/25/2013 7:14:25 AM     (No. 9242311)

#57, it takes no "courage or imagination" to hide behind a username and throw rocks at those who hold different views. I have no patience with the ones who are filled with complaints, but who are doing nothing to help formulate the changes they squall about.

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Reply 60 - Posted by: Bohallx, 6/25/2013 8:30:06 PM     (No. 9393745)

The way American politics works is we have SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS ~ there are a few exceptions, but the overwhelming majority of politicians are elected to office by all the voters within a geographically designated area.

As Thomas Jefferson saw things (and we know he saw them this way since he won by 68% lopsided margins regularly) was that you had to strive to get 50% of the vote to have a chance to win, and then 1 more vote to make sure you did win!

It´s that simple.

Second thing he observed was that political thought develops over a period of time so to win you don´t want to wait on a campaign ~ you need to find your supporters long before the election and then make sure that you have candidates they like and then get your voters out to vote for your candidates!

He exterminated the Federalist party! He made sure his party so dominated politics that its only competitors were regional parties at best, and that they all lost to the maximum extent possible.



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Reply 61 - Posted by: Bohallx, 6/25/2013 8:32:37 PM     (No. 9393747)

(Continued) Now, regarding political theory ~ in America we do not follow the neat lines set up for the seating arrangements for the French Revolutionary Assembly. For one thing their ´right wing´ consisted of THE ROYALISTS ~ we, duh, ~ don´t have any Royalists!

Rather we have two larger poles of political attraction devoted to a single activity ~ acquiring 50% + 1 votes in every district!

To do that they work out their coalition politics long before an election takes place. The coalition partners all get something ~ party positions, candidates, downstream payoffs, any number of things.

By the time you go to Congress you, as a candidate, will know whose interests you represent, what you´ll vote for and which caucus you will belong to.

This AMERICA!

We are not Denmark, Sweden, Holland or Israel.



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Reply 62 - Posted by: judy, 6/25/2013 8:45:10 PM     (No. 9393760)

If the house passes the immigration bill I will secede. It will definitely be time for a third party....for sure for sure...

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