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On Questioning the Jewish State
New York Times, by Joseph Levine
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Posted By:BuckeyeRon, 3/11/2013 12:01:14 PM
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| I was raised in a religious Jewish environment, and though we were not strongly Zionist, I always took it to be self-evident that “Israel has a right to exist.” Now anyone who has debated the Israeli-Palestinian conflict will have encountered this phrase often. Defenders of Israeli policies routinely accuse Israel’s critics of denying her right to exist, while the critics (outside of a small group on the left, where I now find myself) bend over backward to insist that, despite their criticisms, of course they affirm it. The general mainstream consensus seems to be that to deny Israel’s right
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Comments: Very long and absolutely chilling column in the NY Times...Is such twisted logic, presented by a Jewish college professor, one of the reasons we now see a "J-street" movement in Washington and growing challenges to Israel on college campuses? Is there a raging debate within the American Jewish community the rest of us are unaware of challenging this country´s decades old committment to Israel?
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Reply 1 - Posted by:
JimS, 3/11/2013 12:21:49 PM (No. 9219389)
FTA: "I conclude, then, that the very idea of a Jewish state is undemocratic, a violation of the self-determination rights of its non-Jewish citizens, and therefore morally problematic."
Levine distorts all logic and ignores all history in his conclusion. No doubt he feels safe and secure with his enlightened opinion, living as a Jew in NYC, where the Jewish population is likely greater than in Jerusalem or Tel Aviv. I´d like to throw him into a Cairo or Tehran mosque and see if he still feels this way.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
JAN, 3/11/2013 12:28:39 PM (No. 9219407)
When you see the words.......college professor.....you know!!
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
msjena, 3/11/2013 12:32:16 PM (No. 9219418)
Israel is a democracy, isn´t it? There are guarantees of religious freedom that would not exist in an Islamic state.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
OdinsAcolyte, 3/11/2013 12:32:28 PM (No. 9219420)
They have earned the right to be there and that is all that matters.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
Teleologicus, 3/11/2013 12:34:34 PM (No. 9219426)
This column could easily be mistaken for a parody of other-worldly, navel-gazing hyper-intellectual academic theorizing. It is the product of someone for whom the boundary between reality and fantasy has become perilously blurred - of someone who has lived in and enjoyed the hothouse comforts of the halls and libraries of Academe so long that words have abolished reality. It is obvious to anyone looking at this incredible exercise in sophistry that the professor began with his conclusion and worked backward to his reasoning, logic and justification. It is not, I am confident, obvious to him nor to people -there must be others, though hopefully not many- who think like him.
This man does not seem to understand that there are people who want to kill him and who are, if they get the chance, are fully prepared to make the attempt. It doesn´t matter where he lives. Israel is not the problem. Even Jews are not the problem, though they are prime targets. The problem lies with the infidels, i.e. everyone everywhere in the world who is not a Muslim. Abandoning Israel will not make anyone safer and will not cause those who want to kill the infidels to change their plans.
A mind is indeed a terrible thing to waste. This professor of philosophy has, alas, managed to do more than to waste his mind. He has managed to cloud judgment by words without wisdom.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
LudicrousSextus, 3/11/2013 12:36:07 PM (No. 9219432)
As a boy growing up in NYC, I was ´required´ by my father to read - and be able to discuss - the ´key´ stories of the week run by the NY Times, as a condition of getting an allowance.
Unfortunately, this translated out into the ability as an adult - to be able to sift thru news stories like most people breath - quickly and constantly...
The NY Times *repeatedly* displays it´s ´dismay´ with all things Israel - while by and large ignoring the (almost) daily outrages of the other ´key player´ in this mess - Islam. Everywhere Islam exists - so does constant violence. It is perhaps the sole remaining demonstrator of constant religiously motivated violence on the planet, towards all manner of peoples.
The NY Times displays a consistent lack of objectivity - and consistently tries to stir the pot.
Of all the ´newspapers´ I´ve consumed in my life, it´s rather sad that the one that ´broke me in´ is the one that broke faith with journalism in favor of little more than advertising it´s own moral lack of objectivity.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
Jebediah, 3/11/2013 12:37:36 PM (No. 9219438)
I absolutely think any Jew---or others-questioning the right of the Jewish state to exist is anti Semitic. These same people would NEVER question the right of the Palestinians to exist---on Jewish land at that!
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
question_complexity, 3/11/2013 12:42:18 PM (No. 9219443)
Ugh. I feel like like just walked in on a cerebral narcissist masturbating.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
Bevan, 3/11/2013 12:48:33 PM (No. 9219456)
Pure nihilism
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
BuckeyeRon, 3/11/2013 12:53:07 PM (No. 9219470)
#6, sounds like your father and mine were cut from the same bolt of cloth! Only difference is that we had to be prepared to discuss a topic in the news every nite at dinner, and it better not re something trivial or something we were familiar with...
Knew my fellow LDotters would tear this guy apart, but still can´t help being amazed this is running in NYC and not being roundly vilified...
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
SheikYerBooty, 3/11/2013 1:10:41 PM (No. 9219507)
When the Third Reich was in full bloom, I suspect Levine and the Schumers´, Boxers´, Wasserman-Schultzs´ and Feinsteins´ of the world would be Nazi sympathizers in the mold of George Soros.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
droopydog, 3/11/2013 1:12:04 PM (No. 9219509)
There seems to be decent percentage of Jews (esp. American) that would willingly leap headlong into the ovens.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
JEFFREYABIGAIL, 3/11/2013 1:34:59 PM (No. 9219543)
If you didn´t quite know what it meant to be a self-hating or self-loathing Jew, read this.
I would love to deport this guy to Saudia Arabia or pick your favorite Arab country.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
MattMusson, 3/11/2013 1:49:50 PM (No. 9219569)
Zzzzzzzzz....
Wake me when he makes a point.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
zoidberg, 3/11/2013 2:14:26 PM (No. 9219610)
"I conclude, then, that the very idea of a Jewish state is undemocratic, a violation of the self-determination rights of its non-Jewish citizens, and therefore morally problematic."
The non-Jewish citizens of Israel are full citizens with the same rights as Jewish citizens. And this guy is a Summer´s Eve bag.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
dman, 3/11/2013 2:15:08 PM (No. 9219611)
Ironic, but the best friends Israel has - are Christians. This "think piece" from the Marxist-Secular tribe illustrates the point.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
mseegal, 3/11/2013 2:20:24 PM (No. 9219624)
What a bloated, pointless article. Stream-of-conscious ramblings. I kept thinking that he was going to bring up the Armenians, the Kurds, etc. as he kept talking about "deserving a homeland."
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
msjena, 3/11/2013 2:21:29 PM (No. 9219626)
Prof. Levine would probably also have supported the Russian Revolution and Marx and Lenin. We know how that turned out for Russian Jews, right?
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
lavalette, 3/11/2013 3:59:30 PM (No. 9219791)
IMHO, the opposition to the State of Israel stems not from an anti-Jewish mindset but from an anti-Christian one. The Western World is largely the expression of a "Christianized" civilization and derives its freedom and prosperity from this source alone. Israel is an outpost, a colony if you will, of Western (and thus Christian) civilization in a non-western, barbaric and tribal part of the world. America and Israel are alike hated by the enemies of Christ for this reason. The problem is that both America and Israel are in a grossly apsotate condition with respect to the Law of God and Gospel of Jesus Christ, and are therefore under His judgment. That judgment is manifest by, among other things, God stirring up His enemies against His apostate people. Mr. Levine is one such enemy.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
GraniteBayTom, 3/11/2013 8:03:39 PM (No. 9220122)
He twists himself into a pretzel, trying to make an indefensible point. Liberalism Uber Alles!
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
woofwoofwoof, 3/11/2013 10:05:31 PM (No. 9220234)
If it´s in the NYTimes I already know what it says, and the writer is a moron, and if he goes on at length, he´s a double moron. Blind to events, pretending morality in a vacuum, self-righteous and sanctimonious and trying to backstab his own family and friends. The particular words he uses don´t matter, those are the contents.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
lotsamojo, 3/12/2013 8:57:25 PM (No. 9221816)
Self-hating,. self-loathing . . . a part of the Jewish mindset I just don´t understand and never will!
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