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Karzai Inflames U.S. Tensions
Wall Street Journal, by DION NISSENBAUM And YAROSLAV TROFIMOV

Original Article

Posted By:Emerson, 3/10/2013 8:15:33 PM

KABUL—America´s fraught ties with Afghanistan suffered a jarring blow Sunday, when Afghan President Hamid Karzai said during a visit by the new U.S. defense secretary that the Taliban was killing Afghan civilians "in service to America." The remarks, in a televised speech hours before Mr. Karzai´s meeting with U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, capped a series of confrontations between the Afghan president and the U.S. over his demands to assert Afghan sovereignty and curtail American military operations. Mr. Karzai met Mr. Hagel a day after suspected Taliban suicide bombers killed at least 18 people

  

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Not your typical New Yorker, 3/10/2013 8:47:33 PM     (No. 9218490)

Even tinpot scoundrels are dissing the USA now all according to our presidents plan.


Reply 2 - Posted by: novakid, 3/10/2013 8:47:56 PM     (No. 9218492)

There was a time that it made sense to go into Afghanistan, at least to some people. But the time for a reassessment is long past. Just what is it that we are trying to accomplish now?


   

 

  


 
Reply 3 - Posted by: Tanker76, 3/10/2013 8:55:15 PM     (No. 9218498)

Well, at one time we had Iran´s nuts in a vise, squeezed between large American forces in Afghanistan and Iraq. And once again the dimocraps have managed to tinkle away the military advantage we had in forcing the Iranians to bend to our will regarding their nuclear ambitions......


Reply 4 - Posted by: JAN, 3/10/2013 8:57:25 PM     (No. 9218500)

O has stated his wish to partner with the taliban. He seems to think they will fight against alqaeda.

Idiot.


Reply 5 - Posted by: bullhead, 3/10/2013 9:22:26 PM     (No. 9218523)

WAY, WAY, passed time for the US to leave this so-called country of *"illiterate, rag-headed, goat herders." (*Mark Steyn)


Reply 6 - Posted by: bighambone, 3/10/2013 9:23:38 PM     (No. 9218525)

It was reported months ago that Obama was trying to negotiate with the Taliban, so what Zarzai is saying probably had at least a grain of truth.

Afghanistan and Iraq are two different places and military situations. The surge strategy that allowed the US military to leave Iraq did not work in Afghanistan, and now it is going to be very hard for the US and NATO forces to get out of there in one piece. There is a huge amount of expensive military equipment that will either be abandoned or destroyed in Afghanistan because it is impossible to get it out of there.

If you remember, under Bush, the number of US military personnel in Afghanistan was kept very low, as the more people you put in there the more targets you are creating for the enemy to blow up and shoot.

After Obama came in, he authorized a surge in Afghanistan that shot US troop numbers away up. Now they are leaving because the poor military strategy that is being used over there did not work, gave the enemy a military edge, and resulted in a lot of unnecessary US casualties. As an example they built small bases in isolated valleys, with high ground all around them that was controlled by the enemy, who could and did shoot down into the American bases. Anyone with any infantry experience knows that will not work.

There is only one way to win the war in Afghanistan, massacre the enemy at every chance. Since the liberal US Government is not willing to do that, the answer is to get out of there ASAP.


Reply 7 - Posted by: MOAB, 3/10/2013 9:26:33 PM     (No. 9218528)

The U.S military save Karzai from being assassinated on several ocassions. Maybe next time we should look he other way. He is sounding more and more like one of Obama´s cabinet members.


   

 

  


 
Reply 8 - Posted by: trapper, 3/10/2013 9:29:35 PM     (No. 9218533)

Here´s a thought: howsabout sending a drone to drop a hellfire on Karzai? Maybe while he´s having his breakfast. Hamid! Look up!


Reply 9 - Posted by: Texan1stCavDad, 3/10/2013 10:39:53 PM     (No. 9218594)

Like so many of our L-dotters, we have direct family there now (5th tour) and others preparing to be sent again. They are not "support" troops (God bless our Support Troops), they are "boots on the ground" men. Please bring them home. The Afgan people / government neither want nor deserve them. My heart breaks for the American families which have or will have lost their son to wounds or death. I know from whence such fine young men come. They come from you.


Reply 10 - Posted by: god of irony, 3/10/2013 10:44:47 PM     (No. 9218600)

Proof that Hagel is a baffon. A smart man would have prepped the battlefield before he showed up unannounced.


Reply 11 - Posted by: ColonialAmerican1623, 3/10/2013 11:06:11 PM     (No. 9218625)

No matter how much money we give them or how many of our soldiers are killed or wounded, they will hate US.

All they care about is the bucket of greenbacks we send. Cut the cord.


Reply 12 - Posted by: Spidey, 3/11/2013 4:49:12 AM     (No. 9218747)

Karsai is a US installed stooge puppet president who´s now trying to play both ends against the middle. Obama doesn´t want anything to get in the way of his surrender,so it would be stupid to conspire with the Taleban to keep the war going. Afghan civilians are already getting out of town because they don´t trust Afghan security forces.

The surge had no intention of helping the US win this war,it was a fraudulent show of force to make obama look tough on national security.

NATO figured out Obama wasn´t serious about winning so they started bailing out before their troops became sitting ducks.The remaining US troops are suffering from exhaustion from so many back to back tours over there.


   

 



 
Reply 13 - Posted by: provide, 3/11/2013 7:22:48 AM     (No. 9218813)

Karzai will be seen on YouTube being dragged behind a motorcycle as soon as we leave.


Reply 14 - Posted by: coldoc, 3/11/2013 7:31:28 AM     (No. 9218825)

Since American politicians and generals will no longer fight wars to win, we should stay out of these nation building fiascos (fiasci). I suspect Karzai is the best recruiting tool the taliban has. We can really pick ´em.


Reply 15 - Posted by: bpl40, 3/11/2013 7:48:11 AM     (No. 9218844)

We are few months away from a family member going there. The danger represented by the two clowns Hagel/Kerry is very real and frightening to us. There seems to be a plot to come to an understanding with the Taliban that - I will pretend to hit, you pretend to be hit. Then we will run with our tail between our legs and you can do what you want. Kerry´s history with the North Viets, Sandinistas fits perfectly for the job


Reply 16 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 3/11/2013 8:36:18 AM     (No. 9218903)

As we withdraw each of the Jihadi groups will ramp up their efforts to establish their claim to be the ones who threw us out. Many lives will be lost as our forces become smaller and more vulnerable. Never tell the enemy when you will be leaving. Never. Unless you ARE the enemy.


Reply 17 - Posted by: Crosscut, 3/11/2013 8:46:49 AM     (No. 9218924)

The US must be interfering in Afghan drug trade and over stayed our welcome. Time to totally pull out. Muslims have proved they ain´t worth it.


   

 

  


 
Reply 18 - Posted by: Felixcat, 3/11/2013 9:13:45 AM     (No. 9218987)

We won the war in Iraq but are quickly losing the peace due to Obama´s unwillingness to keep any ties with the Iraqi government and the lack of a Status of Forces Agreement. Perhaps in the early days of the Afghan War we won; a very limited mission, but now - just why are we there? The MSM has ignored the place since Jan 2009; there´s no coverage of any combat deaths anymore yet men are getting killed.

It appears that the only way to wage a war and win in this country is to accomplish it during a president´s term(s) - don´t rely on your predecessor if you want victory.


Reply 19 - Posted by: pineledger, 3/11/2013 9:17:40 AM     (No. 9218997)

Are Hegel and Kerry up to dealing with this clown?


Reply 20 - Posted by: Arby, 3/11/2013 9:43:21 AM     (No. 9219057)

With Hagel at the helm, we have no problems. Not.


Reply 21 - Posted by: Adam, 3/11/2013 9:45:20 AM     (No. 9219060)

Taliban? maybe not. But why did we oust the Taliban? Because they were backing al aqaeda. What are we doing now in Egypt? Backing al aqaeda. What was going on in Benghazi? Backing al aqaeda. Yet.....does it matter? Maybe Hillary was telling us the truth. That´s it´s over. That, "at this point" it´s too late and it doesn´t matter.


Reply 22 - Posted by: bigfatslob, 3/11/2013 10:37:19 AM     (No. 9219159)

Give Karzai twenty billion then maybe he will like us again.
Karzai and his brother´s poppy field must have a bumper crop and he doesn´t need the money we give him for being our ´stooge´.
It seems he´s distancing himself from the US because he knows when we pull out the Taliban is going to separate his head from his body on terrorist TV.


   

 



 
Reply 23 - Posted by: Rinktum, 3/11/2013 10:56:31 AM     (No. 9219209)

You can´t win a war when your goal is anything but victory. Enough American blood has been shed in this barbaric hell hole and to what end? The goal of our enemy is total victory and they are committed to it no matter how long it takes or how painful it is for them. They know we don´t have the stomach to do what it s necessary to win the war against them. Bring our men and women home. Discontinue any aid to them. We can´t fix what is wrong with Afghanistan with money and military support. Their problems go to the very deepest part of their souls. It is past time that these people take responsibility for their way of life. They have to choose the future for their children. Someone can´t hand it to you. You have to want it enough to die for it just like we did.


Reply 24 - Posted by: Nan, 3/11/2013 11:00:37 AM     (No. 9219219)

Shouldlet Brennan handle him he is a Muslim too.


Reply 25 - Posted by: uno_thatguy, 3/11/2013 11:09:36 AM     (No. 9219244)

With these clowns, #19? Hagel and Kerry are hyper-clowns and hussein is driving the car!


Reply 26 - Posted by: RancherJack, 3/11/2013 11:26:36 AM     (No. 9219283)

Says to me the battlefield for control of the opium has entered a new phase of testicle grabbing.


Reply 27 - Posted by: chicodon, 3/11/2013 11:41:38 AM     (No. 9219312)

Karzai knows his days are numbered. I suspect he´ll move to California with the last airlift. Obama will be remembered for losing both Iraq and Afghanistan.


Reply 28 - Posted by: robertthomason, 3/11/2013 1:01:56 PM     (No. 9219487)

Past time to come home.


Reply 29 - Posted by: Rafter, 3/11/2013 2:53:26 PM     (No. 9219673)

#22, thanks for the laughs!

I also enjoy the headline, as inadvertent as it might have been...

"Karzai Inflames... "

Picture that.


Reply 30 - Posted by: Penney, 3/11/2013 2:57:07 PM     (No. 9219679)

0bama´s, ´leadership,´ does not inspire confidence. ...He can´t even handle the small things such as keeping the WH open for school children and tourists, so how can he possibly handle the big things such as winning the war against the islamoterrorists? mmm mmm mmm


Reply 31 - Posted by: lana720, 3/11/2013 4:37:42 PM     (No. 9219840)

#4, Hagel said we are working "unilaterally" with the Taliban. Doesn´t sound as though they are working with us, other than to continue to kill our people and bomb their own people.

We are dealing with a lawless bunch. Hagel is in way over his head as is America on the world stage. Zippy wants it just that way.

Meantime, the enemy waits in the weeds for us to leave the country in the hands of a semi-trained police force whose allegiance will turn to whomever greases their palms.

When I think if how many of our people died, it is sickening. No place us the word victory involved here. We got close but politics got in the way.


Reply 32 - Posted by: wexfordcounty, 3/11/2013 7:01:39 PM     (No. 9220035)

Once a hell hole, always a hell hole. Ask the Colonial British, the Communist Russians, and now us.


Reply 33 - Posted by: Dodge Boy, 3/11/2013 8:08:07 PM     (No. 9220128)

Whew...any thoughts I had have already been expressed above. Best new thinking I can cough up would be, "U.S Tensions Inflame Karzai".



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