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What Rand Paul Misses
National Review Online, by Andrew C. McCarthy

Original Article

Posted By:OhMy, 3/9/2013 11:25:37 AM

It was Wednesday, shortly before Senator Rand Paul’s bravura 13-hour filibuster, the Jimmy Stewart star turn in Paul’s crusade to have the Constitution ban a bogeyman of his own making: the killing of American citizens on American soil by America’s armed forces — a scandal that clearly cries out for action, having occurred exactly zero times in the 20 years since jihadists commenced hostilities by bombing the World Trade Center.

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This is a thoughtful companion piece to another NRO column by Andrew McCarthy in todays must reads about Obama killing military commissions. I really think the two columns need to be read together to get the whole picture! There is an emotional wallop in talk of new drone technology but the principles involved are as old as the founders!

  

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Reply 1 - Posted by: CleanhouseinDc, 3/9/2013 11:44:48 AM     (No. 9216723)

Why is making this administration clarify policy statements they make in absolute terms a bad thing? They lie, lie some more, and then do the opposite of what they said they would.

For all of his faults, at least he stood up for something. Versus the rest of the old guys network.


Reply 2 - Posted by: EQKimball, 3/9/2013 11:45:18 AM     (No. 9216725)

Even during during the Cold War, when there was documented reason to be concerned about Americans working with or for an enemy power, no one suggested that the President had the right to assassinate suspected traitors and foreign agents on American soil. (Imagine if Richard Nixon had issued "kill" orders against violent members of the Weather Underground.) Absent exigent circumstances (which Paul concedes), life, liberty and property may not be taken without due process.


   

 

  


 
Reply 3 - Posted by: stonepony, 3/9/2013 11:46:09 AM     (No. 9216729)

what you are really saying is that you trust zero and eric ....and we should too.


Well I do not....


Reply 4 - Posted by: yuban, 3/9/2013 12:02:45 PM     (No. 9216752)

Another hit piece on Conservatives. You Moderates don´t care about losing elections since you can always blame Conservatives. Losing power is a whole different ballgame and you are now sticking up for Holder over Paul and Cruz. This proves to me you are Moderate Socialists, not Moderate Republicans.


Reply 5 - Posted by: tsquare, 3/9/2013 12:24:03 PM     (No. 9216785)

This article contains numerous true points. but not relevant.

Given we have a known enemy combatant in our midst idly sipping tea, before drones we would attempt to capture him. Drones allow easy assassination. Assassination is not our way.

Given we have a known and virulent anti-american in our midst idly sipping tea, before drones we would attempt to capture him. Drones allow easy assassination. Assassination is not our way.

What I object to is the very real possibility, however remote, that my name is placed on a kill list by a president or one of his lackeys, not subjected to judicial review, and I am summarily executed (via drone, sniper, or other). This is not our way.


Reply 6 - Posted by: Emerson, 3/9/2013 12:31:43 PM     (No. 9216802)

Psychologists run into a mentality with abused women that leaves them shaking their heads. The women believe that this man, the man THEY love, the man they believe they really know, will never seriously harm or kill them. And yet the man has shown that he is unpredictable and has anger management problems.

It´s called denial.

I think Obie is perfectly capable of committing seriously evil deeds to attain his ends. Where he´s concerned, we cannot safely afford to be in denial.


Reply 7 - Posted by: enuf8, 3/9/2013 12:50:14 PM     (No. 9216826)

Andrew, you screwed up on your assumption of the rationale behind Paul´s filibuster. He had been trying since early January to get a definitive answer to his question as to whether or not the use of drones could be used inside the US land as they were against the son of the American in Yemen. The 16 yr. old son killed by obama´s commissioned drone strike had no known association with negative works or factions other than being the son of a self-identified jihadist. The WH and DOJ refused to give a definitive answer to Paul´s request for clarification. A Constitution and Bill of Rights answer was what was requested.


   

 

  


 
Reply 8 - Posted by: weirdone, 3/9/2013 1:16:08 PM     (No. 9216875)

Excuse me #2, you need look no further back than the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII to see that liberty and property can be taken at will by the US Government. And Waco and Ruby Ridge proved that the taking of innocent life is not above the government either. Excuse me #2, you need look no further back than the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII to see that liberty and property can be taken at will by the US Government. And Waco and Ruby Ridge proved that the taking of innocent life is not above the government either.


Reply 9 - Posted by: Avanti1, 3/9/2013 1:18:00 PM     (No. 9216879)

Why did Holder not simply say that it was unconstitutional to deny US citizens due process on US soil with the exception of enemy combatants to which the rules of war typically apply when there is an imminent threat?

The fact that something has not occurred is immaterial. The US Constitution was written PRIOR to the time that violations of the Bill of Rights occurred, as are MANY laws.

Holder and Obama are prone to obfuscate and dodge straight answers. There is NOTHING wrong with asking them for straight answers.




Reply 10 - Posted by: dragon, 3/9/2013 1:43:10 PM     (No. 9216906)

Wha Andy McCarthy Misses; there, fixed that.

It is precisely because the Obama administration´s arrogantly claimed nigh-limitless power to kill anyone, anywhere, at the president’s whim.

This president has abused his power with executive orders and a complicit congress. There are plenty of reasons to believe the president would consider continuing his abuse of power. To say "He has not done so to this point" is wrong! Wake up Andy! It will be too frickin´ late to do anything about it. No one in this congress will ever bring impeachment proceedings against this president, and if/when the libs are successful in negating the 2nd amendment and take the House, welcome to single party rule and the USSA. These guys do not care about the rules or the Constitution; they were pretty low key until Whittaker Chambers spilled the beans that the commies have infiltrated the gvernment and the press. Now these guys are out in the open, commies in the WH and Muslims running the CIA. I´m heading back to Texas.


Reply 11 - Posted by: Gretchen, 3/9/2013 2:10:48 PM     (No. 9216948)

You know you´re on weak ground when you have to say that 99.9 percent of Americans agree with you. That´s schoolyard argumentation.

These pundits are embarrassing for their lack of depth. But when you don´t have intellectual honesty on your side...


Reply 12 - Posted by: eoddad, 3/9/2013 2:30:16 PM     (No. 9216977)

Well Mr. Andrew McCarthy call Senator McCain´s office and see if you can get invited to dinner next time. Usual like this guy´s writings but now that I know he puts so much faith in the Impeached Atty General Holder and he is so upset with Cruz and Paul I won´t waste my time.


   

 



 
Reply 13 - Posted by: eoddad, 3/9/2013 2:35:03 PM     (No. 9216979)

No drone strikes yet but we did have Randy Weaver Ruby Ridge and Branch Dravidian murders and massacre. And now we have a President who does what he wants and not what the Constitution says he has the authority to do. MCcarthy should travel outside the beltway or Manhattan wherever he lives once in a while.


Reply 14 - Posted by: stymie82, 3/9/2013 10:35:36 PM     (No. 9217425)

Entire column is drivel. Andy needs to book a room with McLame and Miss Lindsey for the weekend to ponder their next line of attack against patriotic Americans. The Impeached Holder and the criminal usurper King Putt must be well pleased with this inane column. And please Allen West-move to SC so we can primary Miss Lindsey and get a patriotic American in the Senate in 2014.


Reply 15 - Posted by: OhMy, 3/10/2013 7:48:45 AM     (No. 9217631)

Many comments here are emotional knee jerk reactions. If we can´t rise above that will will loose. I understand we are starved for leadership having none for years and so we all cheered Rand Paul´s stand. Andy McCarthy does not deserve to be lumped in with McPain and Gramnesty or accused of trusting Obama and Holder with our lives. He wrote the book Willful Blindness showing how totally inadequate due process is for fighting the war on terror after his experience putting away the Blind Sheik. Due process hogties the power of government too much for a war situation but is appropriate for protecting citizens against a to powerful government. Our problem is Obama is perverse giving due process to his muslim buddies while using the war power against citizens and amassing drones, armoured vehicles and huge stockpiles of ammo. The solution is not a change in the constitution but for congress to amend the AUMF ( Authorized Use of Military Force ) at the very least to outlaw its use domestically. This would put the irresponsible Obama in a box since he will not fight the enemy at least do not let him go to war with the citizens.



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