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Phoenix mayor, council open the women´s bathroom door for men
American Thinker, by Joseph LaRue
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Posted By:JoniTx, 3/9/2013 8:24:59 AM
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| On Feb. 26, the Phoenix City Council passed the so-called "Bathroom Bill," which will allow not only "transgendered" men, but also any man who thinks he is a woman to use many of the same public restrooms that women and young girls use. The bill, which passed 5-3, is a sterling example of how a mayor and city council can quickly forego their duty to protect women and children in order to win the praise and support of special-interest groups in the community. While opening the women´s bathroom door to "transgendered" individuals and men who claim to be women,
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Reply 1 - Posted by:
RoseOfTexas, 3/9/2013 8:32:47 AM (No. 9216343)
Exhibit A for the argument that if the GOP caves on "gay marriage" they will get kudos from the lefties for maybe 5 whole minutes before the next outrageous "civil rights issue" surfaces & they´re back to being the uncool party. There will be no keeping up with the downward defining of deviancy, so best to not even try.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
fritzilou, 3/9/2013 8:33:00 AM (No. 9216344)
More politicians with no brain cells left with which to REASON. DON´T GO TO PHOENIX.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
TheMotherCO, 3/9/2013 8:43:44 AM (No. 9216360)
There are many women who would take violent opposition to these deviates appearing in their bathrooms. Those odd ones might just find themselves walking funny or unable to walk at all.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
Refried, 3/9/2013 8:46:19 AM (No. 9216367)
After reading something like this, I wonder if there really may be a "Twilight Zone" that we have somehow wandered into!
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
Daisymay, 3/9/2013 8:54:46 AM (No. 9216382)
I´m 70 years old. As long as I can remember there were weird men lurking around public restrooms, especially in Parks and recreation areas. Mothers have cautioned their young daughters to never, ever enter a restroom alone. Well, NOW, those same Weird men can simply walk in and see who their next victim will be. If they´re caught, they simply have to say "judge, I think I´m a woman so I am allowed in the women´s restroom". Jeesh! What in the world is happening in our country that we have such STUPID people making the laws that govern all of us!
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
STLstudent, 3/9/2013 8:58:43 AM (No. 9216392)
Isn´t this merely women getting what they deserve after having supported liberals for so many years? Quit whining and open that restroom door.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
chillijilli, 3/9/2013 9:11:55 AM (No. 9216430)
and just where is the NOW on this? They should be demanding equal rights for women so that women can now enter men´s bathrooms as well. Shorter lines during intermission---YAY!
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
Namma, 3/9/2013 9:17:08 AM (No. 9216441)
part of the War on Women
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
god of irony, 3/9/2013 9:18:36 AM (No. 9216448)
Hey this is just like black civil rights. At least that is what they told us.
Next step is to do away with pedophilia as a crime.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
LAW428, 3/9/2013 9:19:19 AM (No. 9216451)
Transgendered men who are now lesbians?...that sounds about right for the times.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
WestCoast, 3/9/2013 9:21:09 AM (No. 9216455)
I guess the answer is for fathers, uncles, etc who are with their young female relatives (and possibly their girlfriends) at the mall will simply have to accompany them to the "ladies" room. That should cause another ****storm.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
Chuzzles, 3/9/2013 9:28:10 AM (No. 9216472)
It is really sad when we have to have our menfolk stand guard over us just so we can ´use the bathroom´ in a public venue. The first arrest for a public fight here should be entertaining in a sad kind of way.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
mitzi, 3/9/2013 9:42:22 AM (No. 9216510)
Ladies ... if you plan on going to Phoenix, carry a nutcracker!
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
jorgecito, 3/9/2013 10:58:52 AM (No. 9216641)
I´ve been in this very situation: A burly man, dressed as a woman, followed me into a women´s restroom (I´m pretty obviously a woman).
There is no doubt this person was a man -- his arms were like a Major League baseball player´s.
Fortunately, the restroom was crowded with many ... uh, legitimate women.* First time I´ve ever been happy to have to wait in line for a stall.
*(If I´m allowed to use such a phrase -- if any pc persons were to read my post, no doubt I´d immediately be labeled a transgender-phobe for coming up with such a transgender phobic term as "legitimate woman.")
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
bighambone, 3/9/2013 11:07:08 AM (No. 9216653)
If having men use women´s restroom facilities was such a great idea, the founding fathers would have put it in the US Constitution a couple of hundred years ago. There will be a lot of unintended consequences with this law, you can bet on that!
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
Keekng, 3/9/2013 11:15:25 AM (No. 9216668)
Wait until some dummy opens the wrong stall door and gets tasered with 200K volts or gets a face washed with pepper spray. Let the lawsuits begin!
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
janylou, 3/9/2013 11:18:07 AM (No. 9216673)
And probably opened to the back door to bribes. This guy is a sleaze ball who lied about his opponent to get elected, but then that is the only way dims can win.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
preciosodrogas, 3/9/2013 11:19:29 AM (No. 9216674)
I find this degenerative as well as disgusting but elected representatives made this decision on behalf of their constituents thus here we are. There may be a solution to this. Decades ago when I traveled around Europe I ran into public places where there was one large bathroom that allowed use by men and women. The rooms were encircled with stalls, no urinals. Men and women waited in line, and when a stall opened up the next person, be it man or woman, took the empty stall. All got to use the sinks and mirrors. It seemed to work okay. We often see the same thing at festivals at the port-a-potty lines. It may not be the best choice but it is a way to manage it. Elections have consequences.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
Italiano, 3/9/2013 11:27:16 AM (No. 9216683)
Sometimes you have to laugh to keep from crying.
It´s over folks, at least until Jesus comes back down, which I hope is soon.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
mickturn, 3/9/2013 11:30:55 AM (No. 9216692)
Don´t forget to leave the seat up...or is it down, I´m so confused!
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
horacer, 3/9/2013 11:32:16 AM (No. 9216694)
Greg Stanton is the mayor of Phoenix and he´s a first class dingbat. All mayors of Phoenix are dingbats. It makes them easier to manipulate. Stanton is a favorite of the LGBT crowd. Some of these men are well over 6 foot, 200 lbs and look like linebackers in a dress. They closed down a bar years ago in Scottsdale because the owner wouldn´t let them use the ladies room. The true women were terrified.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
Halfvast Conspirator, 3/9/2013 11:36:12 AM (No. 9216707)
So take a sharp knife into the RR with you, and if a "transgendered" person causes a problem, you can facilitate the surgical transgendering. Where is the problem?
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
janylou, 3/9/2013 11:38:30 AM (No. 9216712)
Heads up!
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
tomanderson61, 3/9/2013 11:39:31 AM (No. 9216715)
I think this is disgusting, and perverted. However, there is one small item that is conveniently glossed over.
How many times have women--and I have personally seen this--who don´t want to wait in a long women´s rest room line, sneak into the men´s room? And it´s always a story told with titillating laughter. And how about the big push for women reporters to have access to men´s locker rooms?
What about the push for girls to be able to participate in contact sports, like wrestling, with the boys, and if you are a boy and don´t like it, tough s***?
Well, all I have to say is, how do you like it now, ladies?
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
Susannah, 3/9/2013 11:48:18 AM (No. 9216730)
#15, I assume you´re joking, but 200 years ago, men and women used the same outdoor privies. I´m totally in favor of personal privacy, but it´s a very modern concept.
Beyond that, what happens when a girl or woman is assaulted or molested by someone pretending to be transgendered? Quite apart from the criminal charges, this is a lawsuit waiting to happen.
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
hot coffee, 3/9/2013 11:48:43 AM (No. 9216732)
Look on the bright side--at least guys in Phoenix won´t have to stand next to drag queens at men´s room urinals.
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Reply 27 - Posted by:
ocjim, 3/9/2013 12:30:20 PM (No. 9216799)
Fortunately for Phoenix, Sheriff Joe and his posse are still saddled up and on duty. Not sure of his jurisdiction though. Otherwise looks like the town is going to Hades in a hand basket.
The Left figured out back in the ´70´s that if they were highly active and organized, their 20 per cent could push the rest of us around and rule the roost. We can see the success of that assessment today. The gays and transgendered have simply piggy backed on that tyranny of the minority that infuriates us daily. Get used to it, or get active and wake up and educate your like minded neighbors.
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Reply 28 - Posted by:
bobn.t, 3/9/2013 12:34:16 PM (No. 9216806)
There is no end to the insanity that´s sweeping the country.
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Reply 29 - Posted by:
Penney, 3/9/2013 2:15:57 PM (No. 9216952)
Tourists will soon be bypassing Phoenix when they find out about this.
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Reply 30 - Posted by:
KTWO, 3/9/2013 4:11:40 PM (No. 9217069)
This is part of the trend towards choosing which laws you will obey. Feelings trump all.
If a person decides a law doesn´t apply to him/her then it doesn´t. You can feel like a man for a few minutes then think you feel like a woman as long as that brings a benefit.
And no one can prove you didn´t feel like that.
Somewhat similar is the right to not be offended. You know what offends you so that becomes a hate crime. And no one can prove you weren´t offended.
A sure indicator of an elective crime is it only applies to some classes or groups. Others need not apply.
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Beyonce and Jay-Z celebrated their fifth wedding anniversary in Cuba this week. The couple, who married on April 4, 2008, took in the sights of Old Havana, visited a school, dined on a rooftop terrace and strolled the fan-filled streets in their island best.(snip).The power couple declined to answer journalists´ questions about their visit to the island nation, but some outlets are reporting that the moguls are there as tourists, though that would be illegal because of the half-century embargo the U.S. has on the Communist country. However, the Miami Herald said Washington has issued special licenses for
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On Friday, Sean Hannity brought Pat Smith, mother of the late Sean Smith, on his radio program. The 34-year-old information management officer was one of four Americans murdered in the Benghazi embassy attack on September 11, 2012. In the chilling interview, a distraught Ms. Smith, in tears, pleaded for answers and spoke of the efforts to silence her. Ms. Smith first relayed how her son, prior to the attack, requested additional security in advance and warned the State Department: He did tell them, ahead of time, he typed it into his little typewriter over there,
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