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Global Temperatures
Highest in 4,000 Years

New York Times, by Justin Gillis

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Posted By:Iowadad, 3/8/2013 10:57:21 AM

Global temperatures are warmer than at any time in at least 4,000 years, scientists reported Thursday, and over the coming decades are likely to surpass levels not seen on the planet since before the last ice age. Previous research had extended back roughly 1,500 years, and suggested that the rapid temperature spike of the past century, believed to be a consequence of human activity, exceeded any warming episode during those years.

Comments:
What a cute misquote of the article! The author of the article actually writes
Our results indicate that global mean temperature for the decade 2000–2009 has not yet exceeded the warmest temperatures of the early Holocene (5000 to 10,000 yr B.P.).
So what drove the indisputable warming trend of ~10,000 years ago? Prehistoric SUV´s?

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: NYBruin, 3/8/2013 11:01:52 AM     (No. 9214974)

I am so tired of these alarmist reports.

Let´s stipulate that man IS causing global warming/climate change and propose that starting next week nobody can drive their cars or use any electricity every Thursday of face a substantial fine. Let´s see how that goes over. . .

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Periwinkel, 3/8/2013 11:02:13 AM     (No. 9214976)

These people just don´t give up. Obfuscating, misstating, outright lying and misquoting...it goes on and on and on!

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Reply 3 - Posted by: richwill, 3/8/2013 11:03:17 AM     (No. 9214981)

The name of the news paper says it all. No need to read.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Ida Lou Pino, 3/8/2013 11:03:30 AM     (No. 9214982)

Can you say "Leif Ericson"? Can you say "Vinland"?

Good - - I knew you could.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: ColoWapiti, 3/8/2013 11:03:41 AM     (No. 9214983)

Bet these "scientists" depend on federal funding for their climate change "research".

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Reply 6 - Posted by: horacer, 3/8/2013 11:10:35 AM     (No. 9214995)

Show us your data. Using Michael Mann as a source destroys any credibility.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Patchy Groundfog, 3/8/2013 11:11:40 AM     (No. 9214998)

It´s true. I just got a much-delayed text message from Bronze Age Brutus dated 1987 BC!

It says: ´As it is hot with us now, so will be with you.´

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Reply 8 - Posted by: 901AtTheRiver, 3/8/2013 11:11:57 AM     (No. 9214999)

"Greenland will become temperate farmland and we´re all going to die" --- Dennis Miller !

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Kurto, 3/8/2013 11:12:27 AM     (No. 9215001)

Research? Oh, sure...

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Reply 10 - Posted by: franq, 3/8/2013 11:19:32 AM     (No. 9215006)

Totally expected. Hugo´s a-burnin´.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Opsimath, 3/8/2013 11:19:35 AM     (No. 9215007)

NYT. Liberal media lapdogs don´t ever stop do they?? And if the report turns out to be a lie they can always blame the "research assistant" just like FOX´s Juan Williams did.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Cardsfan, 3/8/2013 11:20:19 AM     (No. 9215008)

They may be right. Why, I remember the summer of 235A.D. which was pretty hot, but nothing like last year here in the Midwest!

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Griz70, 3/8/2013 11:25:24 AM     (No. 9215021)

Useless idiots, morons, and chicken littles all.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Muguy, 3/8/2013 11:34:35 AM     (No. 9215038)

This does not jive with the recent NASA report that Antarctica has never had more ice than is now being reported there.....

So consider the source...

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Reply 15 - Posted by: archtheduke, 3/8/2013 11:34:54 AM     (No. 9215039)

When was the thermometer invented?

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Jethro bo, 3/8/2013 11:45:33 AM     (No. 9215064)

Prior to the start of the Black Death, England was an exporter of wine. Thus, the temp was sufficiently warm enough for grape vines to thieve in England. Yet, all of a sudden, the fact that we know England could grow gapes then, but not now, must indicate that grape vines were able to tolerate much colder weather in the medieval days. It’s a lot like to day where grapes can’t grow in sunny southern California but do great near Nome, Alaska. Or the research here is grossly flawed. But why let theory science get in the way of known facts?

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Reply 17 - Posted by: jackson, 3/8/2013 11:46:17 AM     (No. 9215067)

The temperature is so high in the Times newsroom due to the high sexual tension among the boys... it distorts their perception.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Hobbiest, 3/8/2013 11:46:55 AM     (No. 9215068)

If they knew their history at the NY Times they would know it´s probably not as warm as it was 1200 or so years ago.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: MattMusson, 3/8/2013 12:04:55 PM     (No. 9215102)

I did not realize that paleolithic men were recording temperatures.

Now we find out that StoneHendge was just a big weather reporting station!

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Aegedius, 3/8/2013 12:08:38 PM     (No. 9215113)

Go to climatedepot.com for a rebuttal.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: melman, 3/8/2013 12:15:53 PM     (No. 9215125)

More junk Science, by junk Scientist, for Junk politicians to steal money from peoples pockets into thiers. Global warming is to "these" scientist as the "Guaranteed work demand" is to a GM union worker, keeps them employed even though no one is buying.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: thatsomewhereplace, 3/8/2013 12:41:25 PM     (No. 9215167)

Oh brother! This takes the cake! 4K years ago? The author has been smoking something. about 10K or more ago there was an ice age. Guess the dinos and neanderthal blew out enough gas to raise the temp. Or was it a meteorite or.....

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Reply 23 - Posted by: EQKimball, 3/8/2013 12:44:49 PM     (No. 9215177)

Gorebull warmers.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: coldoc, 3/8/2013 12:48:49 PM     (No. 9215184)

Quoting michael mann as an expert is pure desperation. The man has been exposed as a fraud and a liar. He is not a credible source for anything more complex than a bread recipe.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: JimS, 3/8/2013 1:06:54 PM     (No. 9215211)

This is an absolute and indisputable LIE.
Anyone in the scientific field who says this should be immediately terminated, shunned, ostracized and sentenced to 10 years hard labor at the NYT, giving Paul Krugman massages and giving Pinch Sulzberg loofah sponge baths.
It is a documented fact that global temperatures were warmer during the Middle Ages than now. Greenland was actually green, and vineyards were fertile there, just as in northern Scotland.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: belwhatter, 3/8/2013 1:23:29 PM     (No. 9215234)

It is absolutely fascinating how quick the lamestreamers are to peddle this sort of rubbish . Surely they know it´s all hooey, don´t they? or are they really that stupid?

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Teleologicus, 3/8/2013 1:32:18 PM     (No. 9215255)

Right. You bet. Sure thing. No doubt about it. Ain´t that something. Wow. What a discovery. Don´t that beat all. Just imagine. Good heavens. Who knew it was this bad? Man O man. Yikes. Wow. This is a true emergency. No kidding. Help! Somebody do something. Time to flash the Gore-Bat Signal. Appoint a Global Warming Czar pronto. More and bigger government programs. Quick. Invest in the future of the planet. Hurry. Time is running out. The debate is over. Scientists have spoken. It may already be too late. Quick! Pass some legislation. Lots of legislation. Read it later, when the crisis has passed. Now is the time for action. Delay is criminal. Believe the scientists! Trust the politicians!

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Reply 28 - Posted by: curious1, 3/8/2013 1:33:34 PM     (No. 9215258)

#24, you´d trust him with a bread recipe? I figure you´d be ripe for disappointment.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: flatwater, 3/8/2013 1:33:39 PM     (No. 9215259)

Peddle that fraud! Peddle that fraud! Peddle that fraud!

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Reply 30 - Posted by: leonardo, 3/8/2013 1:41:40 PM     (No. 9215278)

There has been NO "global warming" for 16 YEARS, but this will not be reported by the lamestream media.
If the REDS behind the global warming scam can succeed in persuading our extraordinarily stupid politicians that the climate-sky is falling, they will gain regulatory control over most energy-related human activities on the planet. And, of course, CONTROL is always what leftists crave. AND, with regulation comes an almost unimaginable monetary windfall for the regulators ... plenty of money out of your pocket for endless Solyndras while you eat seaweed (beef is way too flatulent!) and are limited to one cfc bulb per room and your thermostat remotely set by the Feds.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: mickturn, 3/8/2013 1:52:20 PM     (No. 9215314)

Nice try morons...I suspect this thermometer is sitting inside a black car in a big parking lot...

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Reply 32 - Posted by: 4Justice, 3/8/2013 2:10:26 PM     (No. 9215344)

First of all, there is no way to honestly say that. We have had many periods (including just 600 years ago) that were warmer. At any rate, the best they can do is estimate what temperatures have been. But if you look at the entire history of the Earth, we are just barely coming off of an Ice Age. Temperatures are rising anyway, because that is what happens on Earth--It goes in cycles. What are they now? Maybe one or two degrees Farenheit higher than they were back when Jesus was walking the Earth? Look at this chart and see how the earth has changed climate over the history of it´s existence: http://www.scotese.com/images/globaltemp.jpg

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Reply 33 - Posted by: stablemoney, 3/8/2013 2:12:23 PM     (No. 9215346)

I suggest Al Gore and gangsters move themselves to the Arctic and have a happy life.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: formerlyphelps, 3/8/2013 3:14:21 PM     (No. 9215415)

Great article! Needed that laugh.

Take away lines:
"Like previous such efforts, the method gives only an approximation."

"...global temperatures were roughly the same as those of today, at least within the uncertainty of the estimates, the new paper shows."

Ah, Science! We don´t know for certain, but we certainly know we have to do something or we´re all gonna DIE! (For certain...)

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Reply 35 - Posted by: Bison65, 3/8/2013 3:37:10 PM     (No. 9215444)

Half truths work as well as the lie. Better yet just avoid reporting on the truth. Hide the decline as Phil Jones,
Michael Mann would have it. Another technique...report August temperatures as September´s as NASA´s James Hansen works his magic.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: Question_Assumptions, 3/8/2013 3:48:04 PM     (No. 9215450)

When they can show me people farming on Greenland the way the Vikings did, I might believe it. Until then, I´m going to assume that it´s just another environmentalist lie.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: KTWO, 3/8/2013 3:54:22 PM     (No. 9215461)

I did a quick read of the study last night. It is legitimate and worthwhile work.

But what it tells us about our outlook today is very debatable. The Devil is in the interpretation.

All climate work is treated as a new Gospel by one side or the other. But that is a little like saying airplane crashes are increasing if two should happen in a single hour this evening.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: mathman, 3/8/2013 6:20:38 PM     (No. 9215657)

Yeah.
Right.
Sure.
SCIENTIFIC.
But it is not.
Only proxies were used in this study, as our capacity to quantify temperature is less than 300 years old.
How about that Greenland, now?
How about those Mastodons that were being eaten in Siberia?
Are you telling me that enough grass grew in Siberia to keep Mastodons alive?
If you read the review, and look for the error bars, you quickly determine that the errors badly swamp the analysis.
WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!
It will be heat death, nuclear winter, Armageddon, or maybe Dr Harold Camping´s Apocalypse.
Meanwhile it is fantasy.
And, by the way, what melted all that ice from the recent (12,000 years ago) ice sheets which covered the North American Continent? The glacial moraines are with us to this day. Didn´t it take a little bit of heat to make all that ice vanish?
And the "native americans" WALKED here (across the ice) from Siberia.
Oh, well.
Just another day at the fishwrap paper.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: Japanorama, 3/8/2013 10:09:14 PM     (No. 9215957)

This is bullshit. There are no reliable records back beyond the 19th century. Even dendrochronological data is limited and sparse.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: Rake King, 9/8/2013 8:23:10 PM     (No. 9511963)

Bull, I just read the artic ice has spread

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Reply 41 - Posted by: Bohallx, 9/8/2013 8:26:16 PM     (No. 9511969)

The last period of maximum glaciation was 24,000 years ago, and that ended bout 20,000 years ago ~ by 14,000 years ago it was all in a gigantic meltdown.

As the meltdown came to an end about
12,800 and 11,500 years the Northern Hemisphere had a return to extreme cold and a build up of glaciers called THE YOUNGER DRYAS.

The first human residents of North America are estimated to have begun walking across the frozen North Atlantic about 20,000 years ago FROM EUROPE. Or, they came in boats while hunting seal on the edge of the sea ice.

They were a hardy lot and have a marker gene sequence called X-Factor. Modern populations such as the Sa´ami, Fulbe, Berber, Sakha Yakutz, Cherokee, Iroquois and others have that same sequence.

I´m sure anyone can see a pattern here ~ toughest people on the planet ~ all of them!

The Younger Dryas almost destroyed them in many places. Later arrivals (known mostly from their copralites left in caves where presumably they took refuge from the giant cats in America) are construed to also be ancestral to the American Indians.

More recent analysis suggests all the transpacific crossings probably arrived in the vast floating debris fields generated by tsunamis. Remember, all the various sorts of NE Asians and Chinese peoples share mtDNA from four lines ~ all found in the Americas as well. But that does not establish they walked here.



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How do you ensure that you won’t be ostracized, denounced, or fired if you are a media celebrity, captain of industry, or high public official? For some, sexist banter is certainly no problem. Stand-up comedian Bill Maher called Sarah Palin a c–t and a tw-t, but suffered no ill consequences. David Letterman joked on air that Sarah Palin’s 14-year-old daughter had had sex with Alex Rodriguez during a New York Yankees game. There was no downside to that either. President Obama tosses around “sweetie” as he wishes. No problem with that. No one believes Barack could be condescending to women.

Rev. Al Sharpton’s Easter message:
Politically ‘crucified’ Obama has risen again

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Washington Times, by Jessica Chasmar    Original Article
Posted By: LittleHoodedMonk- 4/16/2014 3:42:51 PM     Post Reply
With Easter soon approaching, the Rev. Al Sharpton on Wednesday drew parallels between the resurrection of Jesus Christ and the resurrection of President Obama’s political career. Joining the “Tom Joyner Morning Show,” Mr. Sharpton said that his message for this Easter is that “no matter what the world may do to you unfairly, no matter how you’re crucified — nailed to the cross at home, or in your personal relationships, or on the job — that you can rise if you don’t lose yourself during the hard times and the challenges.” The reverend went on to say that Christ endured so much humiliation and unearned suffering leading up to his death,


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