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Gay sex rings, ´The Filth´
corrupting the Vatican...
and why the Pope Really quit

Daily Mail [UK], by John Cornwell

Original Article

Posted By:LittleRedHen1, 3/2/2013 11:30:18 PM

The former Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger wrung his hands above his head in triumph as he emerged as Pope on to the balcony of St Peter’s eight years ago. He had won! He had longed to be Pope. He has loved being Pope. He expected to die as Pope. (snip) The real reason he has quit is far more spectacular. It is to save the Catholic Church from ignominy: he has voluntarily delivered himself up as a sacrificial lamb to purge the Church of what he calls ‘The Filth’. And it must have taken courage.

Comments:
If the article is correct, everyone in the Curia looses his job until reappointed by the new Pope. And the Pope Emeritus is around to influence who doesn´t get re-hired.

  

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Reply 1 - Posted by: tisHimself, 3/2/2013 11:41:28 PM     (No. 9205399)

John Cornwell is the author of Hitler’s Pope and Newman’s Unquiet Grave: The Reluctant Saint

NUF SAID.


Reply 2 - Posted by: flowerladytoo, 3/3/2013 12:06:08 AM     (No. 9205412)

This is HOOEY!! The author has a very biased agenda.


   

 

  


 
Reply 3 - Posted by: CentralFLMom, 3/3/2013 12:09:28 AM     (No. 9205415)

Is anyone surprised at this? The Catholic church is full of men wearing dresses, fabulous jewelry, tiaras and ruby red slippers...and let´s not forget the harlequin outfits the Swiss army wears!
I´ve heard to get inside the Vatican, your outfit has to pass inspection from adonis-like bouncers wearing tailored Armani suits.Tell me that doesn´t sound like a gay nightclub!
If you didn´t already know that the Vatican is and always has been the gayest place on earth, wake up and smell the incense.


Reply 4 - Posted by: Pinkpanther, 3/3/2013 12:11:02 AM     (No. 9205416)

This man is an anti-Catholic bigot who has been given a public venue in which to spew his nasty lies and delusions. Benedict NEVER wanted to be Pope, he was hoping to retire quietly in Germany with his beloved cat in his country cottage. He is having some serious health issue, including blind in one eye. He is doing the right thing and putting the church first, it takes courage and humility to do that, wish Obama would take a leaf from his book.


Reply 5 - Posted by: FormerDem, 3/3/2013 12:16:09 AM     (No. 9205418)

Cornwell is an idiot.


Reply 6 - Posted by: tusker, 3/3/2013 12:36:47 AM     (No. 9205427)

Would that real leadership would come, condense The Church as suggested, and drive the sodomites into oblivion.

But one would first have to drive the sodomites sitting in the pews into oblivion but that wouldn´t be inclusive now, would it.

This is a sick, sick society with a sick, sick church, and I don´t mean just The Church.

They are all sick with the same cancer and nothing will change until those kneeling in the pews get off their inclusive knees and onto their own two feet, light a "torch" or two, and drive the "filth" out of the temple.

But I´m not holding my breath.


Reply 7 - Posted by: LaVallette, 3/3/2013 1:13:57 AM     (No. 9205447)

In the old days there were many self appointed "witch hunters". John Cornwell is the modern self appointed hunter of conspiracies within the Catholic Church. Good think Benedict abdicated otherwise, had Benedict died in office Cornwell would have used the same or a similar scenario to claim that Benedict was murdered. Look up all the conspiracy books and fables about the Death of John Paul I by similar dark forces within the Vatican and Curia.


   

 

  


 
Reply 8 - Posted by: ZurichMike, 3/3/2013 1:21:56 AM     (No. 9205448)

Speaking of anti-Catholic nonsense, I just read response #3.

The Swiss guard wear uniforms inspired by Renaissance-style uniforms. The Swiss guard have been at the Vatican as mercenary soldiers, bodyguards, and now ceremonial guards, for over 500 years. It is an incredible honor to be selected to serve. These young men dedicate at least 2 years of their lives to their faith, and yet you chose to ridicule what they wear? Not sure where you heard about Armani-styled goons checking out those wanting to get in the Vatican, but as a Catholic I find such cheap, silly and sophomoric posts unworthy of this site.


Reply 9 - Posted by: ketchuplover, 3/3/2013 1:37:06 AM     (No. 9205451)

Explain to me... If all these big-wigs lose their job when the pope dies or resigns, and the new pope gets to appoint a new set for his administration- then isn´t the current "corrupt" league of church officials the one that was appointed by this pope who just resigned so they would lose their jobs? Already some who have commented on this thread seem to be shooting the messenger instead of giving pause to what was written. Only Catholics think that the Catholic Church is the True Church. My goodness, that´s why the rest of us Christians are called PROTESTants --because we have protested many of the beliefs and practices of the Catholic Church and its papacy. And Protestants have been protesting for more than 500 years, even if it meant getting burned at the stake by the Catholic Church.


Reply 10 - Posted by: absalom, 3/3/2013 1:51:15 AM     (No. 9205456)

#7 is on the mark. Corwwell, was dismissed as a seminarian crank w/homosexuality on the brain. His raging slander of Enrico Cardinal Pacelli (Pius XII) was beyond the pale. As for #3, just light a candle and offer it up. Ignoramuses traffic in gossip, hearsay, innuendo and rumor while peddling it as truth. It´s predictable and utterly brainless.


Reply 11 - Posted by: locarno, 3/3/2013 2:33:26 AM     (No. 9205474)

This mess of a ´news´ article is a microcosm of the ´Filth´ that permeates the newsmedia today. If you read this, its full of accusations, innuendoes, and sanctimonious self-righteousness. Yet, he doesn´t point to one shred of outside evidence backing up even one of his claims. Has anyone seen this ´report´ he sites of the ´filth´ in the church that supposedly forced Benedict´s hand?

´He had longed to be Pope. He has loved being Pope.´ Really? Thats news to me. From what I´ve read, Benedict felt he was too old from the start to be Pope, yet accepted the office anyways. ´He spent most of his time writing and took time off to tinkle on the piano and stroke his cat.´ What an arrogant, POS this Cornwell is. The Daily Mail should be ashamed of itself for paying this idiot to write such drivel. But as we all have seen, the media of today has no shame. Hence, we get ´writers´ like Cornwell and articles like this. Disgusting.


Reply 12 - Posted by: 4Justice, 3/3/2013 2:39:42 AM     (No. 9205475)

#6, we are all sinners. If you think the church should have no members who sin, they would have no members.

That said, I have heard that the Chruch allowed in a lot of gay clergy after Vatican II. That was a big mistake. I also think that their ancient views on marriage and celibacy are also to blame. The Catholic Church didn´t always requird priests to be celibate. They used to marry. But one Pope changed all that because he wanted to keep the wealth in the church. He didn´t want priests passing down any wealth obtained to their heirs. The church has a lot of problems. I don´t know if this is a hit piece or the truth. All I can say is it wouldn´t surprise me now especially after how they handled all the child abuse cases. BTW, I chose to be baptised and confirmed Catholic in my 20s. Even though I am not practicing, I do not hold any hatred toward the Church. I am just saddened and mortified that so much corruption has infiltrated it.


   

 



 
Reply 13 - Posted by: noddy, 3/3/2013 2:55:33 AM     (No. 9205477)

Days before the announcement of the Pope´s resignation, I watched an interesting, intense and very disturbing documentary on HBO. ´´Mea Maxima Culpa: Silence´´. It is described as being about child abuse of deaf children by catholic priests. It is about so much more than that and goes into details about the duties of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger. He, more than any other member of the catholic church, knows more about the sexual abuse of children by priests. It was his job to help them and relocate them. Those that are truly interested in looking for truth and not merely to drown out opposition to the Pope and the Vatican should take the time to find it and watch it.


Reply 14 - Posted by: Sfacheem, 3/3/2013 6:29:52 AM     (No. 9205507)

As a practicing Catholic let me be the first to say that those of you using invective to "argue" (calling Cornwell an "idiot" and leaving it at that) have your heads in the sand. You are as guilty of the cover-up as the Church because of your failure to see what is happening and your lack of insistence to hold those guilty accountable. This is YOUR church, not the Curia´s. You are responsible too.


Reply 15 - Posted by: Michaelus, 3/3/2013 6:50:23 AM     (No. 9205514)

#14 you have a very good point. It is not the Vatican who is responsible for arresting and punishing child molesters. It is not the Vatican who lets these guys get away with their crimes it is often our courts and police and fellow citizens who look the other way. As bad as the sex abuse crisis was there never was a priest accused of adopting and abusing boys like George Harasz and Doug With of Glastonbury CT. Yet next week these two guys will get let off. Stan McGee of Massachusetts was caught abusing a 15 year old yet he is living with his "husband" who runs a school. No problemo.


Reply 16 - Posted by: suedotsue, 3/3/2013 6:56:41 AM     (No. 9205516)

#4 is right and the reporter wrong, the Pope who just resigned never wanted to be Pope, was sad when he found out he got the job. Whatever the reasons for his leaving at this moment, the fact is he never wanted the job to begin with.


Reply 17 - Posted by: Lucianne, 3/3/2013 7:28:48 AM     (No. 9205532)

I rarely comment on these threads but I can´t let this article go unremarked. I know John Cornwell, have for twenty or more years. He is not to be trusted, particularly when it comes to matters of the Catholic church. I will not be more specific because my lawyers enjoy a leisurely life but trust me. Don´t believe this or John Cornwell.


   

 

  


 
Reply 18 - Posted by: globalwarmer, 3/3/2013 7:35:09 AM     (No. 9205537)

Bearing false witness again, eh, John?


Reply 19 - Posted by: Not your typical New Yorker, 3/3/2013 7:35:39 AM     (No. 9205538)

Well that´s that.....any more questions?

And really #3?


Reply 20 - Posted by: tisHimself, 3/3/2013 7:36:37 AM     (No. 9205541)

Congratulations on those who get their information about the Catholic church from HBO, the New York Times, NPR and Jack Stick comics. As if his lies about Pius XII weren´t enough, this comes out to the hoots and howls of the usuals.

Again, at the onset of this problem, when it became clear that local bishops were not able to deal with the problem due to Canon law---- you can´t just strip or defrock a priest, Ratzinger addressed the issue by making the necessary procedural changes in Rome and in the local Episcopal conferences.

Those Bishops who watered the flowers with openly gay priests, professors and seminaries have been weeded out. They weren´t put their by JPII, or by Ratzinger, but the old and complicit -- Huntzinger, Weakland, Bernadin and finally Mahony -- they have been moved out. Perhaps the NYTImes and HBO left that out.

Frogs hop, snakes slither, bigots bigot.


Reply 21 - Posted by: truthfetish, 3/3/2013 7:40:06 AM     (No. 9205543)

#12 is to be thanked for a history lesson about the beginning of Catholic priests´ injunction against marriage. It prevented a wealth drain, at a particular time in history when states were weak and political stability rested in the integrity of a strong church.

People being who they are, the celibacy policy didn´t make a dent in priests´ (hetero-) sex lives.

As a devout Catholic who married Greek, I have enjoyed my friendships with Orthodox church´s priests and happy Presbyteras (priest´s wife). Nothing I see shows that marriage and family distract one iota from these priests´ duty and devotion to their church.


Reply 22 - Posted by: sgtfox of the jarhead clan, 3/3/2013 7:48:51 AM     (No. 9205557)

Something like this needs to happen in Washington. Flush away the whole mess of them and disinfect it from top to bottom. Start over with a SMALL government made up of small business men , veterans who love America and mothers who know how a family budget works. We don´t need domestic enemies like lawyers, professional vacationers, communist professors, gays, earth worshipping green party job destroyers, union activists or anyone from the Kennedy clan.


   

 



 
Reply 23 - Posted by: Vivi, 3/3/2013 8:10:27 AM     (No. 9205579)

The Liberatti were rattled by the popularity of John Paul II and the deep affection people all over the world felt for him. Can´t let that happen again. Also the Church in America is In multiple legal battles with the Obama administration fighting for everyone´s constitutionally guaranteed religious liberties. My point is this won´t be the last hit piece.

HBO? Bill Maher hates the Church and any religion.. Their mini series are fantastically written, well acted, soft porn gorefests. But I´m sure they´d give the church a fair shake.



Reply 24 - Posted by: voxpopuli, 3/3/2013 8:23:11 AM     (No. 9205599)

good place to put this..
we are getting rid of an un-named provider and just got Dish..
last night going through the initial 400 channels i ran across some shoddy looking second generation "news" channel called "RT"..
the whole time slot was dong a hit piece on the Vatican.. EXACTLY IN THE VEIN OF THIS ARTICLE!!
i googled "RT channel 208"..
it is RUSSIAN TELEVISION!!
WHAAAA??!!
is this the sister station of al jazeera?
where do these things come from??
ANY viewers??
did i make a mistake?
any other lcommers see this?
oh, yeah.. i concur with the above.. sans moles.. a hit piece on the TRUE Catholic Church and Americans..


Reply 25 - Posted by: Chuzzles, 3/3/2013 8:40:50 AM     (No. 9205616)

Thanks Lucianne, your input is always appreciated. And now at such a critical time in history your website is needed now more than ever.


Reply 26 - Posted by: Dodge Boy, 3/3/2013 8:59:58 AM     (No. 9205649)

At least Cornwell´s piece is readable. But, not being of the Catholic faith myself, therefore not close to the inner workings of the church, difficult to draw any opinion. But, certainly, I would not rely on only Cornwell´s writings to steer my views in any direction no more than I would rely on Piers Morgan´s news reporting to stay on top of local and international news events.


Reply 27 - Posted by: ScarletPimpernel, 3/3/2013 9:17:32 AM     (No. 9205670)

Thank you, #8, for the comments and also for the history of the Swiss Guards. I´m not Catholic, and I would also remind poster #3 that Catholic priests aren´t the only ones to wear fancy vestments.


Reply 28 - Posted by: Madinmaryland, 3/3/2013 9:43:09 AM     (No. 9205698)

Thanks, Lucianne for your input. I read the article and never heard of this stuff. I am a Catholic, and call me naive, but I tend to believe what the Vatican says. But, when I read an article like this one, I wonder what is really going on. I am sure of one thing, the power of prayer. The rest of the politics will take care of itself. Come on Holy Spirit


Reply 29 - Posted by: mitzi, 3/3/2013 9:49:23 AM     (No. 9205704)

That brief intro paragraph contains several untrue statements.


Reply 30 - Posted by: Fosterdad, 3/3/2013 9:50:51 AM     (No. 9205706)

Ratzinger never wanted to be Pope. His plan was to serve as Dean of the College of Cardinals until JPII died, then retire back to Germany so he could write books. He was elected because the Italian Cardinals couldn´t agree on a candidate and he was the only European Cardinal with the stature to succeed John Paul. The fact that he was 76 didn´t hurt either. The Cardinals knew he´d be in office for 10 years maximum and they weren´t ready for another long pontificate like John Paul.


Reply 31 - Posted by: GeelaBeela828, 3/3/2013 10:19:48 AM     (No. 9205741)

Come, Holy Ghost, Creator blest,
And in our hearts take up thy rest;
Come with thy grace and heavenly aid
To fill the hearts which thou has made.


Reply 32 - Posted by: kanphil, 3/3/2013 10:24:04 AM     (No. 9205749)

Thank you, #8.


Reply 33 - Posted by: udanja99, 3/3/2013 10:57:06 AM     (No. 9205818)

My, the Catholic bashers are out in force this morning.

Thank you, Lucianne, for setting the record straight. As far as Cornell goes, I put him right up there with Dan Brown. He made a lot of people believe that The DaVinci Code was fact instead of fiction.

As to gays in the clergy - gay activists infiltrated the seminaries back in the seventies in an effort to subvert the Church. They are reaping what they have sown.


Reply 34 - Posted by: BigGeorgeTX, 3/3/2013 12:10:51 PM     (No. 9205954)

The Curia sounds like our State Department.


Reply 35 - Posted by: Dixie, 3/3/2013 12:32:54 PM     (No. 9205996)

Since there are gays and lesbians everywhere one goes these days....probably they seem more prevalent because few are hiding their inclinations these days....it is reasonable to assume that the Vatican has some people of non-standard sexuality there.

Was that enough for the Pope to resign?
Or did the Pope resign for reasons of health?

The Vatican is also routinely attacked by anti-religious people everywhere.


Reply 36 - Posted by: tomishere, 3/3/2013 1:02:29 PM     (No. 9206026)

Whether this article is true or not time will tell. I can´t believe the level of denial on this tread, after all the disgusting behavior of Priests and the cover up of their behavior by the church, it stands to reason this is not an impossibility. Obviously this is painful to many devout Catholics, but sticking your head in the sand to the extent of the corruption will not make it go away. At this point the only thing that could help the Church is facing the facts and a thorough housecleaning.


Reply 37 - Posted by: absalom, 3/3/2013 1:10:45 PM     (No. 9206038)

#12 is observant yet a quibble. While Vatican II lowered the standards for elevation to the priesthood, the intent was to increase declining vocations, not embrace homosexuals. But, per usual, the road to Hell is always paved w/good intentions. And yes Priests did marry as many of the Apostles were. As for the prohibition against marriage to ´keep wealth in the Church´; that is a canard. The issue was the Priest´s children and concern over divided loyalties between his offspring and the members of his parish. For the record ,many Anglican Priests who have returned to the Church of Rome have reentered w/their wives and children. Change is afoot.


Reply 38 - Posted by: tisHimself, 3/3/2013 1:14:16 PM     (No. 9206045)

Yes, we are aware. Yes it is painful. And we try to stay informed and in fact help those less informed. It is not an act of denial to point out the wanton ignorance of those who would rather repeat what they know or ought to know isn´t true, or to lie by omission. Or to identify their historic prejudices, as with the author here, their hidden agendae, or the bigots with who they consort.
But again, antiCatholic bigotry is still very chic in some circles. Party on.


Reply 39 - Posted by: OhMy, 3/3/2013 2:43:52 PM     (No. 9206206)

Thanks for the link #36 There is a summary of this along with the full paper on LifeSiteNews. I do not take any satisfaction in it but I do not doubt that there is a serious problem in the Church because of homosexual clergy. I do not know if this was the motivation for the Holy Father´s resignation. In any case it must be cleaned up.


Reply 40 - Posted by: LaVallette, 3/4/2013 4:45:31 AM     (No. 9206827)

The vast majority of the priests in the Catholic Church are and have always been diocesan priests. They DO NOT,AND NEVER DID take a vow of poverty, and therefore they were allowed to accumulate and control property and leave it to their relatives, and friends or any other beneficiaries as any ordinary layperson always could, under the prevailing laws of the State. Therefore the belief that celibacy was introduced purely for the church to accumulated the property of its priests is blown out of the water, and gos down as one of those protestant myths..



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Former Gov. Mark Sanford completed the trail to political redemption Tuesday with a win over Democrat Elizabeth Colbert Busch to reclaim his old seat in Congress. Sanford defeated Colbert Busch 54 percent to 45 percent, according to full unofficial results. Turnout was heavier than expected, with about 32 percent of the district’s 455,702 registered voters casting ballots. Sanford, who has never lost an election, returns to the 1st District seat he held for three terms from 1995-2001. It’s a remarkable comeback for a man many pundits had written off after his highly publicized affair with an Argentine

Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee: Constitution
implies a right to health care, education

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Washington Times, by Douglas Ernst    Original Article
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Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee took to the House floor Monday night and implied that the right to health care and education exists in the Constitution. Ms. Jackson Lee, Texas Democrat, also made the case that the moral authority for such services is also derived from the Declaration of Independence. “One might argue that education and health care fall into those provisions of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness,” she said. Ms. Jackson Lee added, “I think that what should be continuously emphasized is the president’s leadership on one single point: that although health care was not

Mark Sanford wins South
Carolina special election

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Washington Post, by Rachel Weiner    Original Article
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Mark Sanford has won the South Carolina special election in a competitive race for what in normal circumstances is a safe Republican seat. The former governor beat Democrat Elizabeth Colbert Busch, the sister of comedian Stephen Colbert Busch, for the state’s 1st congressional district. The AP called the race for Sanford early in the evening, with the Republican leading Colbert Busch 54 percent 46 percent.

The High Cost of Rush: Talker
Bleeds Millions From His Carriers
as Toxic Talk Slumps, Cumulus Seems
Set to Part Ways With Rush Limbaugh

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Daily Beast, by John Avlon    Original Article
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“We´ve had a tough go of it this last year,” Cumulus CEO Lew Dickey said Tuesday morning. “The facts are indisputable regarding the impact certain things have had on ad dollars." Dickey told analysts on the earnings call that his radio empire’s revenue was down $5.6 million in the first quarter of 2013 on top of a boatload of debt. Why? Parse the weasel words (“the impact of certain things”) and you’ll see that Dickey is blaming one man for the precipitous decline of right-wing talk radio’s profitability: Rush Limbaugh. El Rushbo is still a giant in the industry,

Sharyl Attkisson of CBS News,
a persistent voice of media
skepticism on Benghazi

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Washington Post, by Paul Farhi    Original Article
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From the start, the Obama administration’s account of what happened in Benghazi, Libya, on Sept. 11 last year didn’t quite square for Sharyl Attkisson. So the veteran CBS News reporter dug in, and kept digging. The result: Attkisson has been a persistent voice of news-media skepticism about the government’s story. On the air and online, Attkisson has questioned the administration’s timeline and its response. (Snip) While other media, particularly Fox News, have been similarly skeptical about the official narrative about Benghazi, Attkisson and CBS might put the story in a different light. As a much-decorated reporter from a news


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