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Feds, media rebut Sarah Palin
´stockpiling bullets´ claim

Politico, by Ken Cirilli

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Posted By:MissMolly, 2/28/2013 9:06:42 AM

The feds say Sarah Palin is firing blanks with her claim that the government is “stockpiling bullets” for potential civil unrest in case the country defaults on its loans. While government agencies are, in fact, purchasing large amounts of ammunition, they are doing so for training exercises and shooting ranges, according to federal officials. The Washington Post last month summed up the Department of Homeland Security’s buying of more than 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition for training with an article headlined, “Not so sinister: Homeland Security is stockpiling ammo for target practice.” And last summer, the Social Security Administration’s Office

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Lots of people have discussed the big buys of bullets. Palin isn´t alone. But, it´s fear-mongering to use her Facebook forum, knowing she has a wide audience there, to speculate that the purpose is to quell "civil unrest" by using the stores against US citizens. Mark Levin is using his mike to set the same kind of fire. That´s the kind of rhetoric Obama is using about the sequester and we are, rightfully, condemning the inflammatory projections.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Yosemite Sam, 2/28/2013 9:11:58 AM     (No. 9200607)

If these clowns deem it necessary to rebut, there must be something to it. I will go with Palins opinion.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Johnny Angle, 2/28/2013 9:14:39 AM     (No. 9200617)

That´s a pretty weak rebuttal.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Feebie, 2/28/2013 9:15:32 AM     (No. 9200618)

Hollow points for practice shooting?

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Reply 4 - Posted by: fritzilou, 2/28/2013 9:17:05 AM     (No. 9200624)

Sarah Palin wasn´t alone in wonderful why the government was stockpiling ammunision. Conjecture ranged from them attempting to take bullets off the market and run up the price to preparing for civil war in case of a monetary collapse. So, why attempt to make her appear foolish, when a lot of people were thinking out loud about possibilities. It wasn´t just media created, right wing extremists, who were thinking out loud. Even liberals were wondering; even they could read the rumors too.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: fritzilou, 2/28/2013 9:18:24 AM     (No. 9200626)

Sarah Palin wasn´t alone in wondering why the government was stockpiling ammunition. Conjecture ranged from them attempting to take bullets off the market and run up the price to preparing for civil war in case of a monetary collapse. So, why attempt to make her appear foolish, when a lot of people were thinking out loud about possibilities. It wasn´t just media created, right wing extremists, who were thinking out loud. Even liberals were wondering; even they could read the rumors too.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: R. Edgar, 2/28/2013 9:20:25 AM     (No. 9200630)

Sure. There´s nothing to it. Nothing to it at all.

So, have you been to your local gun store lately to check their ammo stock? Exactly.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Ravenhaven, 2/28/2013 9:24:36 AM     (No. 9200641)

Sarah or the regime? Who to believe? Give me a moment...don´t rush me...

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Mr. Hanky, 2/28/2013 9:25:57 AM     (No. 9200648)

I call BS. Exactly how many employees of DHS are issued firearms? 1.6 Billion rounds is a lot of bullets.

Let´s see...according to their website:

•Number of DHS employees: 199,492
•Number of bullets: 1,600,000,000

That would be 8,020 rounds of ammunition for every employee...and I´m guessing not everyone gets a firearm.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: DaddyO, 2/28/2013 9:27:06 AM     (No. 9200652)

The same media that says there were never any WMDs in Iraq and it was a war for oil.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: alpha91c, 2/28/2013 9:29:50 AM     (No. 9200662)

I spend 20 years in the Army. Much of it in ground combat units. Our soldiers never had that much ammo to practice with. Why should I believe or trust the current government?


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Reply 11 - Posted by: Evocatus, 2/28/2013 9:37:15 AM     (No. 9200678)

Very few law enforcement agencies practice with hollow-point bullets. They´re simply too expensive and not appropriate to practice.

A hollow-point bullet is designed to expand in flesh, it is an operational round. It is also only for domestic use in law enforcement, it is BANNED under the Laws of Armed Conflict.



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Reply 12 - Posted by: scrubber, 2/28/2013 9:40:33 AM     (No. 9200690)

According to Tom Gresham, and he would know, the use hollow points for practice because federal law requires them to practice with the same ammunition they carry. Simple as that. It´s a stupid law, but there it is.


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Reply 13 - Posted by: jimK1, 2/28/2013 9:46:29 AM     (No. 9200703)

That´s just too much ammo for "practice" so whatever the government is up to and their shills are covering for, is scary. I´d trust Palin on this one.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: happywarrior, 2/28/2013 9:48:22 AM     (No. 9200706)

Another Palin hating OP tried to equate her with 0bama. Nice try, I see right through that BS!

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Reply 15 - Posted by: nonsense, 2/28/2013 9:51:49 AM     (No. 9200713)

I have lived on this earth, in this country for more than a half century. There is not one doubt in my mind that the National Government intends to use these millions of rounds of bullets against the citizens when civil unrest ensues due to the coming economic collapse.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Keekng, 2/28/2013 9:59:55 AM     (No. 9200729)

They rebuffed "death squads" as well but that is now part of obamacare.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: woodsto sea, 2/28/2013 10:02:45 AM     (No. 9200739)

Palin like the rest of us depends on the media getting their stories correct. She based her opinion on incorrect media reporting. The correction only came out after her FB opinion. Keep in mind this is the second order placed for ammo. I´ve seen no correction to the first large order. The first was large enough not to need another.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: killerbee, 2/28/2013 10:04:52 AM     (No. 9200744)

"Fear mongering", OP? Like "Death Panels" was fear mongering.

I seem to recall a lot of "Palin is irrelevant" declarations. If her comments that come about because of media flubs are so important they warrant a news story, I guess she´s not irrelevant quite yet, is she?

Haters gonna hate.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: goodguyrick, 2/28/2013 10:07:22 AM     (No. 9200757)

Generally speaking, because of cost, most agencies use FMJ rounds for practice and hollow points to carry. I believe you are required to train with the same caliber round not necessarily the exact type of round (i.e. issue 40 caliber pistols but train with .22 LR).

Lets see what the different agencies purchased in the past years and compare what they are buying now. I highly doubt they would be in the numbers being quoted today.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Salt5792, 2/28/2013 10:15:12 AM     (No. 9200781)

I would believe Sarah a hundred times more than any of the Dem drones in DC.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: lylacat, 2/28/2013 10:18:48 AM     (No. 9200786)

Many of us have watched these huge purchases of bullets, and many of the purchases have been "hollow point," a very deadly bullet that rips through a body. No one would ever use hollow point ammo for target practice or training. If one adds up the fed´s purchases, they now have enough bullets to kill every man woman and child about seven times. And please tell me why the Social Security Administration would need millions of rounds of hollow point bullets?

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Reply 22 - Posted by: lostinmassachusetts, 2/28/2013 10:22:07 AM     (No. 9200794)

#10 has it right: Why should we trust the current government, or, for that matter, their media supporters? They have no record of honesty.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: hoosiergirl71, 2/28/2013 10:51:55 AM     (No. 9200853)

It is so comforting to know that the GOP in Congress is vigorously investigating this! OH, they´re not?
Never mind. Look out for yourself!

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Rotten In Denmark, 2/28/2013 10:58:27 AM     (No. 9200871)

Hoosier I think you are misinformed. I suspect they have a blue-ribbon panel/commission/study group looking into the very matter. They will have the findings ready in the year 2525! slight s/o

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Teleologicus, 2/28/2013 11:02:25 AM     (No. 9200876)

The "target practice" story makes sense - if we assume that all armed Federal employees are at the range 5 days a week and most weekends, banging away and raising a racket that can be heard for miles around. They would have to be practicing their shooting even on major holidays to use up such incredible amounts of ammo. If it were actually the case that there is this much target practicing going on, the same question would remain: how come? What possible need is there for such marksmanship? Who do the Feds plan to be shooting?

It would be illuminating to have the statistics on actual practice times and ammunition consumed, as well as the number of times Federal employees discharge a firearm each year in pursuance of duty.

People pushing the "target practice" story obviously think Americans are really stupid.

I have no idea why the Feds are stockpiling such vast quantities of ammo - but the absurd story that it is merely for routine target practice is an insult to our intelligence. The willingness of the media to accept and defend this preposterous claim is another mark of shame for a once proud and loyal profession.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: enuf8, 2/28/2013 11:31:02 AM     (No. 9200930)



# 14 - Just like the journ-O-lists and TV media the group of 7 or 8 love finding any negative article about Gov. Palin. Even though she has been proven to be correct in her many comments, either by Facebook, Twitter or in her many speeches. One would assume if the comments were made by Chris Christi, Romney, Jeb Bush, Dewherst or someone comparable to the aforementioned the sounding of trumpets, the bowing of knee and all their wonderful attributes would be recounted time and time again. Even after 5 years their hatred of Gov. Palin sticks out like a sore thumb.

What type of ammo was issued to Border Patrol--weren´t they non-lethal bean bag type pellets?

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Pluperfect, 2/28/2013 12:37:23 PM     (No. 9201042)

Ah, but #26, it´s pretty simple to be "correct" when you are just following others. The stockpiling of ammo has been discussed for months in the media and on these threads. The difference with Palin is that she has attributed a sinister motive that is unsubstantiated. If she has a source for her claim, I assume she will share it.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: minuteman, 2/28/2013 12:38:29 PM     (No. 9201046)

The rebuttals are total BS.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: dvc, 2/28/2013 1:45:30 PM     (No. 9201179)

Tell a falsehood enough times and it becomes fact.

If you look at the original purchasing documents, these reports are off by a factor of 1000 due to misreading the units.

I am pretty sure that the reported 1.6 billion should be 1.6 MILLION. This has been fairly widely reported here and elsewhere but apparently people would rather be hysterical instead of looking up the facts.

And YES, many agencies will ONLY practice with the same ammo as they use in actual work - two sensible reasons.
First - the officers need to know the recoil and point of impact that they are practicing with will be the same in actual use. Second - semiauto pistols will not always function properly with all ammo types. Some hollowpoint ammo will not feed properly. Proper function is best verified by training with the exact ammo to be used in "real life".


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braces for snow, sleet, misery

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CNN, by Ralph Ellis    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 3/3/2014 6:34:57 AM     Post Reply
Will somebody please push the reset button on the winter of 2014? Yet another big storm is barreling down on the Mid-Atlantic states, bringing snow, sleet and disruption to winter-weary Washington, D.C., Baltimore and Philadelphia, not to mention frigid temperatures to the Midwest and Great Plains. The federal government has already decided to close offices Monday in Washington, which expects rain, ice and 8-12 inches of snow. Congress postponed Monday business until Tuesday. Public school systems from Dallas to Philadelphia canceled Monday classes. Washington city offices and Delaware state government offices will be closed Monday.

Pipeline protesters arrested at White House
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Associated Press, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Attercliffe- 3/3/2014 12:07:09 PM     Post Reply
WASHINGTON—Police arrested hundreds of people who strapped themselves to the White House fence on Sunday to protest the proposed Keystone XL oil pipeline. The protesters were mostly college students who participated in a peaceful march that began at Georgetown University and ended outside the White House. They chanted "climate justice now" and carried signs with slogans such as "don´t tarnish the earth" in an effort to persuade President Barack Obama to reject the pipeline. They say it will worsen global warming. Protesters were passionate but quite orderly. Police were waiting for them with buses and vans to speed the process.

Ukraine calls up reserves, readies
for potential combat with Russia

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Reuters, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: nota bene- 3/2/2014 6:20:55 AM     Post Reply
KIEV/BALACLAVA, Ukraine - Ukraine mobilized on Sunday for war and called up its reserves, after Russian President Vladimir Putin threatened to invade in the biggest confrontation between Moscow and the West since the Cold War. Ukraine´s security council ordered the general staff to immediately put all armed forces on highest alert, the council´s secretary Andriy Parubiy announced. The Defense Ministry was ordered to conduct the call-up, potentially of all men up to 40 in a country that still has universal male conscription.


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