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Much Ado About Rove
Commentary Magazine, by Jonathan S. Tobin

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Posted By:StormCnter, 2/22/2013 5:47:19 AM

In the aftermath of their presidential election defeat, many Republicans took out their frustration on Mitt Romney and his staff. Their manifold shortcomings and mistakes, both in terms of judgment and technical gaffes, were raked over with consummate thoroughness by conservative commentators. But with Romney sensibly gone to ground (though he will break his silence this month at the annual CPAC conference) and his advisors making poor targets on their own, that got boring after a while. So with the people who determined the GOP fate in 2012 no longer such inviting targets, the spleen of some conservatives

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Janjan, 2/22/2013 6:18:08 AM     (No. 9190167)

It really isn´t all about Karl Rove. It´s about Rove and his PAC and the Big Money behind a concerted effort to support so-called ´moderate´ Republican candidates. It´s about wiping out the Tea Party influence that got Rubio, Cruz and Paul elected. It isn´t about returning to grassroots conservative values. It is about shifting political power from one Party to another.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Pluperfect, 2/22/2013 6:24:16 AM     (No. 9190171)

#1, why isn´t Karl Rove as entitled to raise money and support candidates as anyone else? Those who don´t want his guidance are free to send money to any other PAC? I´m pretty sure that if Sarah Palin opted to use her formidable PAC funds to actually support political candidates, it would be fine with her fans. There are many PACs out there. Choose one you like instead of declaring Karl Rove has no place in the political fundraising arena.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Spidey, 2/22/2013 6:30:12 AM     (No. 9190175)

Republicans and conservatives can sit around handwringing and finger pointing to the cows come home but nothings going to change unless they figure ot how to stop election fraud,especially in swing states.

They also have to figure out how to reach and motivate millions of voters who don´t bother to vote.One of the reasons for this is a lot of non voters don´t see a difference in the parties. The right knuckling under to immigration is the latest example.This started with Bush´s push on immigration,we´ve been going downhill ever since.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Rakasha, 2/22/2013 6:47:03 AM     (No. 9190194)

There is a big difference between a PAC supporting their preferred candidate and a PAC trying to influence the nomination process in order to eliminate potential candidates. One is a legitimate part of the election process, the other is kingmaking.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Gretchen, 2/22/2013 7:20:43 AM     (No. 9190241)

Amusing. These articles in defense of Rove are sweet. Anyone with half a brain can read between the lines.

Rove and his backers chose unwisely. They mucked things up, they exposed themselves as more interested in power and position than principle. They relentlessly attacked conservatives within their own party, and now they are crying foul. Tough. Stop whining. Go to a cocktail party and don´t let the door slam on your way out.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: MissMolly, 2/22/2013 7:33:42 AM     (No. 9190255)

I believe the only ones "whining" are the ones who seem to fear Karl Rove. Man up and realize that the act of supporting a particular candidate means other candidates are being voted against. It´s the way primaries work. I assume all of us are free to go with the one we prefer. I won´t demand those I don´t prefer not be allowed to participate.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Catherine, 2/22/2013 7:33:47 AM     (No. 9190256)

I despise this man. He thinks he´s so smart. He might be but he´s also clueless about his fellow Republicans. If he chooses another candidate in 2016 - I won´t vote. Period. Well unless the Tea Party runs someone. But no one will win against the current system the Democrats have set up. They´ve brought election stealing to an art form.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Malia2012, 2/22/2013 7:36:40 AM     (No. 9190261)

What #2 said. IMO, If the GOP has gotten to the point of bashing anyone for raising millions of dollars to elect Republicans, there is no hope. Karl Rove DID donate from his PAC to Rubio AND Cruz and many other "tea-party" endorsed Conservatives. It´s time to stop allowing the "msm" to play the GOP like a pathetic violin and tell US who is good and who is NOT good in the GOP. "Karl Rove "frog-marched out of the W.H. in handcuffs". Anyone remember that line? Good grief!

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Reply 9 - Posted by: PoliticalJunky, 2/22/2013 7:51:50 AM     (No. 9190281)

Bravo, No. 8! Until we stop fighting each other harder than we fight the Democrats we are destined to be on the losing side.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: ramona, 2/22/2013 8:02:27 AM     (No. 9190294)

I would refer the Rove fan club to the article from Forbes, posted above, by Angela Codevilla.
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Reply 11 - Posted by: noproblems, 2/22/2013 8:04:46 AM     (No. 9190296)

i see all the republican kool-aid drinkers have had their coffee this morning.

i would recommend they read the article posted recently from Forbes by Angelo Codevilla. Please post your responses.

Look out the window and make sure the sky is blue in your world.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: chillijilli, 2/22/2013 8:06:46 AM     (No. 9190299)

WHY can´t we learn to focus on what UNITES us, rather than our differences? Why turn our backs on each other, when we´re our own closest allies? We´ll never be successful unless we consider saving our PARTY just as important as saving our COUNTRY. I´m not a Rove fan, but have we really become so rigid that we can´t tolerate differing views? Don´t we trust our fellow Republicans to make their own good judgments?
As long as we continue to view fellow Republicans as enemies the Demos can just sit back and laugh as we continue to self-destruct. Why any conservative would want to satisfy the Demos, the libs or the media is beyond me.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Starlady, 2/22/2013 8:11:11 AM     (No. 9190313)

I watched Karl Rove on Hannity´s show Wednesday night. He tried to sound reasonable. I have no problem with him wasting another three hundred million like he did in 2012 if there are enough fools to trust him with their money.
Karl was the one who came out of the box declaring war on the Tea Party. That doesn´t build co-operation among groups who may want to support GOP candidates. Karl is a has been politically that has no other skill to keep him out of trouble.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Foggybottom, 2/22/2013 8:11:39 AM     (No. 9190315)

We will hold so called moderates and Rove´s candidates accountable for the smears of conservatives. They will win less than they do now, which is virtually nothing.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: hot coffee, 2/22/2013 8:30:55 AM     (No. 9190354)

This article is right on the money.

People are all mad at Karl Rove and Gov. Romney--how ´bout being mad at Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock instead?

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Reply 16 - Posted by: suedotsue, 2/22/2013 8:46:02 AM     (No. 9190384)

Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdoch should get some credit. Fox News gives the Ruling Class GOP the canons to silence ordinary Americans. As Mr. Codevilla explains, the main point uniting the Ruling Class (which includes both R and D) is a deep disdain for ordinary Americans. This motivates Rove,the Bush crowd, Beltway GOP in general. Big Time. It isn´t principle because they have none. It´s not accurate to say any of us could compete with Rove. The Ruling Class has staged a successful revolution in the US. As Codevilla says, the majority of Americans who identify as R are orphaned, have no political party to represent them and their views. Rove is part of a larger point.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Nimby, 2/22/2013 8:47:15 AM     (No. 9190388)

Divide and rule, say the socialists.And the idiot republicans are falling for it!

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Chuzzles, 2/22/2013 9:10:26 AM     (No. 9190436)

I wish all the people who think Rove is just ducky would do a little more research. The man is a major elitist and needs to go away. He truly has no respect for what you have to say or believe.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: olcap, 2/22/2013 9:19:49 AM     (No. 9190468)

FTA: "But those reviling and writing off Rove need to get a better grip on reality"

Oh, really? I think that it´s YOU and others in the Rockefeller wing of the party that need to get a grip on reality, as you currently have no such grip.

The next election cycle will go a long way in pointing out to the Rockefellers, that the Tafts no longer look to them, nor will they adhere to their big government philosophy, which runs counter to conservatism. Yes, the GOP will lose badly, without conservatives voting for their worthless candidates.

People like Rove, miscreants who gain fleeting popularity, yet command a disproportionate amount of influence, are the kinds of people who take a good thing, and turn it to garbage that no one wants anymore.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: JAN, 2/22/2013 9:27:52 AM     (No. 9190489)

It´s all about ratings and readers so entire segments of our so called right wingers have morphed into Joe Scarborough types.

A pox on both their houses. That way they believe they can entice more listeners and/or readers.

Well, a pox on those on the right who tear down our party and don´t care if they jeopardise our troops, our economy and the next USSC nominee.

It´s all in the numbers folks. They have more we lose. No committee chair, no gavel, no power at all.

Guess it´s ratings first.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: fritzilou, 2/22/2013 11:08:41 AM     (No. 9190740)

No it really isn´t about Rove; it is about the audacity of certain people to think they know what is best for ´we the people´. If you don´t believe that, here is my prediction. Jeb Bush has already been the chosen presidential candidate by the ruling class. This is all a set up for that point in time. Rove and others are guiding us to that end. If that is the result, many more Republicans will not turn out to vote, since we don´t need another mushy Bush. As far as loving their family, I think they are wonderful people; but we need a leader with better ideas than any of them have or will have.

Read Angelo Condevilla´s article in today´s Lucianne and you will know what I mean.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Razorgirl, 2/22/2013 1:43:45 PM     (No. 9191101)

Mr. Rove adheres to a double standard. If his candidate wins the primary, he expects and most of us do support that candidate. If the candidate he did not support wins the primary, we expect, and rightly so, him to also support that candidate. However, he doesn´t and funds are held back from that campaign. It´s his guy or nobody. That´s not the way it should work. If we have to hold our nose to vote for his candidate why shouldn´t he support ours?

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Reply 23 - Posted by: absalom, 2/22/2013 2:28:11 PM     (No. 9191184)

As for Tobin, he´s eternally been little more than a relentless shill for the R jurno est; in the mold of Parker, Noonan, Coulter, Brooks, Goodwin etc. The next time he has an original idea about anything will be the first time.

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At a petite 5’3’’, Sage Santangelo may not look like a combat fighter at first glance. But the female second lieutenant has never let that hold her back from pursuing her dream of becoming an infantry officer in the Marine Corps. Growing up, Santangelo found she was always able to keep up with the guys and enjoyed playing hockey on all boys’ teams. But when she joined the Marines, Santangelo found the playing field changed; she was segregated into female-only training units and as a woman, was relegated to less strenuous physical training than her male counterparts. And that’s why,


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