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The Push to Normalize
Polyamory Begins

National Review Online, by Wesley J. Smith

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Posted By:StormCnter, 2/17/2013 1:59:53 PM

You knew it was coming. Scientific American — which often pushes cultural agendas as much as scientific ideas — has an article informing us that polyamorous people have so much to teach the rest of us about life. From “The New Sexual Revolution: Polyamory May Be Good For You“ One thing that seems to unite the polyamorous community is a real enthusiasm for digging into emotions. Honesty, openness and communication are cornerstones for polyamorous relationships, Holmes has found. “They’re talking a lot, they’re negotiating a lot, they’re bringing their feelings to the table a lot,” he said.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: horacer, 2/17/2013 2:10:39 PM     (No. 9181752)

Do you six men take these four women, 2 goats and a mule to be your lawful wedded polyamourous companions. We´re headed downhill fast. I didn´t know Showtime has a series about these people.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Johnny Angle, 2/17/2013 2:14:00 PM     (No. 9181755)

Thank you. A new word for the day.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: jalo1951, 2/17/2013 2:27:43 PM     (No. 9181769)

Let´s just say every lifestyle is "normal" no matter how unusual we might think it is. Then we can skip all this discussion. How PC we have become. God forbid if we ever disagree.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: artsy, 2/17/2013 2:41:14 PM     (No. 9181784)

As per #1...can beastiality be far behind?

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Reply 5 - Posted by: NorthernDog, 2/17/2013 3:01:10 PM     (No. 9181802)

He´s right - I recently saw another article about this called :
´´For polyamorous families, three hearts are better than two´´. The article worked overtime to dispel all those nasty ´myths´ and how there´s no reason to limit your love to just one person.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: chieftestpilot, 2/17/2013 3:03:38 PM     (No. 9181806)

Just think what our politicians will be able to get away with.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 2/17/2013 3:17:06 PM     (No. 9181814)

Limited government means limited government.

Consenting adults are free to do anything that does not result in a plaintiff.

Conservatives need to quit tut-tutting the behavior of others and start winning elections.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: tomanderson61, 2/17/2013 3:37:52 PM     (No. 9181844)

#7, I will use the same argument for Poly-marriages as I do for gay marriages. Right now, a woman can co-habitate and have two men in a relationship, she can have kids, everything that polygamists want. Except for official state recognition of a marriage.

THAT is what I object to. Go an do whatever you want, but that doesn´t mean it needs to be officially recognized. Why not? Because with that comes the indoctrination of school children that all these lifestyles are normal, and if you don´t think so, you are a bigot. This further undermines any kind of family unit; we know full well the damages to kids due to, first, single parent homes, the lack of a female/male presence in gay households (I have seen this first hand with gay friends, so don´t tell me it´s not true) and the fracturing of the family unit we see right now, along with sky high divorce rates.

Do what you wish in your own bedrooms. I wont call it normal, I will not tolerate being called a bigot because I refuse to, and if you were a stand up person, you would agree.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: chance_232, 2/17/2013 3:40:17 PM     (No. 9181851)

Least we forget that before the Catholic Church got involved with marriages, men with multiple wives was the norm worldwide. Now marriage between one man and one woman is the norm in the "Christian" world.

Of the arrangement works between consenting adults, not in your house, what is it too you? And before ya´ll get on the "sanctity of marriage" bandwagon, don´t bother. The "sanctity of marriage" argument went by the wayside with the adoption of no-fault-divorce. Multiple marriages is now the norm in this country......so why not just get your first second and third marriages all out on the table at once. Who knows.....this may reduce the divorce rate among the G-d fearing masses..../s/

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Reply 10 - Posted by: richwill, 2/17/2013 3:44:55 PM     (No. 9181863)

Nothing wrong with more money, faster cars and younger women; makes for an exciting life.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: belwhatter, 2/17/2013 4:28:17 PM     (No. 9181904)

May I please suggest that faithful monogamy does not produce STDs, AIDs, Syphilis and Gonorrhea et al. Anything else is playing with fire. There are reasons for what God has ordained.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: raphaela, 2/17/2013 4:43:05 PM     (No. 9181921)

Just read about how that worked for Jacob and Leah and Rachel. Not so hot.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: billp, 2/17/2013 4:48:44 PM     (No. 9181930)

This ´polyamorous relationship´ thing doesn´t seem to have helped the inner-city populations all that much.

More pie-in-the-sky if you ask me. Besides that, I don´t think God approves of it. I might also add that SEX isn´t LOVE.

"polyamorous community is a real enthusiasm for digging into emotions. Honesty, openness and communication"

Taken right from the liberal playbook eh? Of course, they never really mean any of it - they just like to say it.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: planetgeo, 2/17/2013 5:12:13 PM     (No. 9181951)

Putting the question of religion aside, the real question is whether human nature tends to optimize societies in a particular mode of cohabitation and bonding (let´s not even distinguish whether such arrangements are formally recognized as "marriage"). I would submit that there is pretty strong evidence over the history of humankind that monogamous societies tend to be more stable and dominant as cultures.

Yes, there are plenty of examples of polyamory (Muslims, Mormons, hippie communes, co-Ed dorms and houses with benefits, etc.). But which of these have sustained themselves over time, with co-equal parties freely allowed and able to remain or go, and particularly after the arrival of children? Where are the thriving cultures and nations built on such a societal model?

Scientific American should apply scientific principles to its hypothetical musings.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Emerson, 2/17/2013 5:13:56 PM     (No. 9181954)

Re #11, as some have sadly found out, that faithful monogamy had better be by both partners.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: oh-heck, 2/17/2013 5:14:38 PM     (No. 9181957)

The optimum path for you to prove this to all us reactionary codgers is to post your E-mail addresses and websites. I´m sure all the youth of America will be happy to share all the love you can take. Then, after a 6 month trial period, you can report how the philosophy is working out for you and your loved ones.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Ida Lil, 2/17/2013 5:31:02 PM     (No. 9181976)

Notice every one of the pro polys assume it´s one dude and all the women he can roundup.
Now how will such such a party time fare when little susie says not tonight honey i am booked up with another john.
oh yeah and how will John --john and moe know which kids are his when he has to pay child support.
One man one wife one love for life memories are made supreme.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: dman, 2/17/2013 5:37:35 PM     (No. 9181985)

It´s individualism vs. the collective.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: volksford, 2/17/2013 6:38:10 PM     (No. 9182063)

Ii´s the old 1970´s "open marriage scam"...whats old is new again !

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Reply 20 - Posted by: harper, 2/17/2013 7:38:12 PM     (No. 9182112)

The left has launched so many rounds against Christianity. There´s incoming every second of the day. This is just one.

Think the muzzies will appreciate all this when they waltz in to take over the west after all the destruction has been done by the left?

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Reply 21 - Posted by: chumley, 2/17/2013 9:11:32 PM     (No. 9182179)

Monogomy is not natural. Look how hard it is to remain faithful in a long term marriage. Look how many people fail at it, despite knowing the likely consequences if caught and the risks of VD, unwanted pregnancies, etc. Yet more than half stray anyway.
Monogamy was imposed as a way to stabilize the family, which creates a stable society. The man brought home the bacon and the woman nurtured the children and maintained the home. It worked well for thousands of years.
Now, the family is not stable. The woman often has to work to pay the bills, the children are raised by strangers and the man (term used loosely) is often gone.
As for the marriages that ARE stable, many I have seen are sexless, loveless, and joyless. They are together only because of what the neighbors or the relatives might think, or the fear of the devil you dont know.
If someone has a better idea, I´m willing to at least listen. Obviously what we have now is bringing neither stability or happiness for a great many people.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: mominNoCA, 2/17/2013 9:17:25 PM     (No. 9182187)

Perhaps we´re preparing for an influx of Muslims. They´ll probably want to settle in southern Utah. Polygamy´s illegal there but no one prosecutes polygamists.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: mominNoCA, 2/17/2013 9:20:11 PM     (No. 9182190)

#21,

Monogamy works best if both parties have mutual respect and love for one another. It also helps if both parties are friends as well as lovers. At least that´s what has helped my husband and me stayed married for more than 25 years.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: chumley, 2/17/2013 10:01:30 PM     (No. 9182217)

#23...I, too, have been married a long time; 32 years. Respect is the key to the whole thing. It is the food that nurtures love. I dont mean forced respect like one has for a cop or an NCO, but rather the earned respect we have for someone who is admired for their accomplishments and sacrifices.
Love itself comes in two varieties. There is the passionate love of a new relationship and the comfortable love of a more mature, stable one. The former is very intense and addictive. The latter is safe, warm and comfortable. It can also be predictable and dull as well. It is no less love, but it is a different love.
It is possible to love more than one person at the same time. Can we love more than one child at the same time? Certainly we can. Why not more than one adult? It is society´s rules that stop us, nothing more.
So, these poly types think they have found a new (old) way to experience the passionate love while still maintaining the comfortable. I´m curious to see if it works. I might have to rustle up another hubby for Mrs C.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: tomanderson61, 2/17/2013 11:56:35 PM     (No. 9182304)

#21, speak for yourself.

Been married over 20 years, extremely happy. Why? Because my wife insists we never go to bed angry, and I insist on giving 100% to the relationship, as does she. And it´s not about phony baloney "counseling" and "working on the relationship" like you are doing some sort of hobbycraft. As others have noted, it´s about real respect, taking care, putting yourself second, and sharing everything with your best friend. See, if both do that, then nothing can break the bond that develops.

Myself, my sister, my parents, my best friend, and my cousins all have marriages that work and survive the long haul. Saying monogamy is "unnatural" is BS. Finding others attractive outside of marriage is normal, that is how we are wired, but it needn´t go any further than that. I can admire an attractive woman in a bikini, and my wife loves the Phantom of the Opera. And neither of us minds that.

Monogamy works, that is why PAIR BONDING has been the typical IN MOST COUNTRIES THROUGHOUT HISTORY. Those that suggest otherwise have their own issues, don´t generalize about everyone else.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: tipover, 2/18/2013 3:49:31 AM     (No. 9182372)

I note that most of the men think they will have multiple partners. They forget that if one man has 3 wives there is a good chance that that two other men will be without mates. That´s why the Utah polygamists (Jeffs?) kicked the extra young males out of the commune. Thinned the competition. And of course a lot of those young females with children were on Welfare.

And of course multiple partners means multiple ways to screw up a relationship.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Trigger2, 2/18/2013 5:24:47 AM     (No. 9182393)



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Reply 28 - Posted by: Trigger2, 2/18/2013 5:27:01 AM     (No. 9182394)

Sounds to me more like shria law getting it´s nose under the tent....

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Reply 29 - Posted by: 4Justice, 2/18/2013 6:11:04 AM     (No. 9182404)

Sorry #21, but monogamy is NOT unnatural at all. First of all, many animals mate for life. But a monogamous relationship in the human race is extremely normal. It takes work & commitment from both parties to keep it interesting & exciting, but it´s not necessarily hard. It´s natural too considering how long it takes to rear human children. It´s been proven for thousands of years that children thrive best when they grow up in a two parent household that´s stable & filled with love. Any other arrangement tends to bring problems. Our society not only lost its connection with God but also its understanding of positive human relationships & communication. People today are more self-centered & conditioned by media to seek instant gratification. This is why marriages don´t last anymore. Society´s been perverted by leftist, secular humanists. Yes, a few small groups have successfully lived in polyamorous relationships, but they were mainly small backwards natives living off the land with no outside contact.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: monique, 2/18/2013 8:50:16 AM     (No. 9182600)

polyamorous. new word for let´s have an open relationship. free love. which generally meant that the guy wanted to sleep around, but didn´t want the woman to sleep around also. while it is true that the some of the old testament patriarchs like David and Solomon had multiple wives, slaves, mistresses, it is very doubtful that the concept of honesty, openess, and communication entered into those relationships, as women were property of their fathers and husbands. having love for multiple children at the same time is certainly not the same as sharing love with multiple partners at the same time.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: BitterClinger, 2/18/2013 12:08:41 PM     (No. 9183056)

A pedantic response to #9:

The Church did not initiate monogamy. Pre Christian Rome practiced monogamy, and serial monogamy. The Church simply carried on the cultural expectation as it expanded throughout the Roman Empire and beyond. Of course, there would have been a tendency for the not yet Christian but Romanized peoples to have adopted monogamy along with other Roman ways.

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Daily Caller, by Alex Pappas    Original Article
Posted By: FlyRight- 2/26/2014 7:06:59 AM     Post Reply
Republicans on Capitol Hill are not giving up on getting testimony out of Lois Lerner, the disgraced IRS official at the center of last year’s scandal over the agency’s targeting of conservative groups for special review.In a letter to Lerner’s attorney on Tuesday, House Oversight Committee Chair Darrell Issa said he is recalling her to testify on March 5 on her role in the scandal.Last May, Lerner — the director of the tax exempt and government entities division of the IRS — appeared before the committee for its hearing, “The IRS: Targeting Americans for Their Political Beliefs.” But she gave

Romney: Veto Ariz. bill
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The Hill (Washington, D.C.), by Mario Trujillo    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 2/25/2014 6:46:49 PM     Post Reply
Mitt Romney on Tuesday joined a growing chorus of Republicans urging the Arizona governor to veto a bill that would allow business owners to cite their religious beliefs in refusing service to gay people. The former Massachusetts governor tweeted at Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer (R), saying it “is right” to veto the bill passed by the state legislature last week. Brewer has not said whether she will sign or veto the measure. However, a number of media outlets have reported people close to her expect her to veto it. Brewer told CNN she would weigh both sides before deciding the right thing to

Hired to Fight Pirates,
but Doomed by Boredom

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New York Times, by NICHOLAS KULISH, IAN URBINA    Original Article
Posted By: Write2Right- 2/26/2014 6:41:33 AM     Post Reply
PORT OF VICTORIA, Seychelles — The night before their lifeless bodies were found inside a cabin on a cargo ship, Jeffrey Reynolds and Mark Kennedy enjoyed the night life here, at tourist haunts called Le Rendez Vous and the Pirates Arms.The two, both former members of the Navy SEALs working as ship guards, later visited two casinos, playing blackjack and drinking vodka and tequila with sailors from New Zealand. When the second casino shut its doors at 3 a.m., surveillance images show that the pair bumped into two women and departed with them down a dark corridor.It was in Mr.

Lois Lerner´s lawyer slams Issa, GOP
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The Hill (Washington DC), by Bernie Becker    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 2/26/2014 12:42:04 PM     Post Reply
The attorney for Lois Lerner blasted the House GOP for recalling the former IRS official to testify next week, saying it would only serve to embarrass her and could increase threats against Lerner and her family. Bill Taylor, Lerner’s attorney, told House Oversight Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) that he told committee staff in January that Lerner would continue to invoke her Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination if recalled, and that she would "happily testify" if given immunity. Taylor, of Zuckerman Spaeder, said he heard nothing further from the committee until Issa wrote to him on Tuesday, saying he was hauling Lerner

VP Biden Claims ´Hatred´ Is
Force Behind Voter Id Laws

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Breitbart Big Government, by Robert Wilde    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 2/26/2014 2:25:30 PM     Post Reply
On Tuesday, Vice President Joe Biden blamed “hatred” as the motivating force behind voter identification laws in states such as North Carolina, Alabama, and Texas. Biden wants new laws to block “former slave holding states in the south” from discrimination against blacks and other minorities. Biden, speaking at a reception at the Naval Observatory in Washington, D.C., in celebration of African-American History Month, said that, "These guys never go away. Hatred never, never goes away. The zealotry of those who wish to limit the franchise cannot be smothered by reason." Rhode Island Governor Lincoln Chafee (I) would take issue with

Whitewashing Benghazi
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American Spectator, by Jed Babbin & R. Emmett Tyrrell, Jr.    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 2/25/2014 5:31:39 AM     Post Reply
Were he alive today, Richard Nixon would have to doff his hat to Barack Obama. Compared with how the Obama administration has swept under the rug the Benghazi attacks of September 11, 2012, Nixon’s attempt to cover up the Watergate burglary was rank amateurism. To be fair, Nixon’s team of Haldeman, Ehrlichman, Mitchell, and Dean were not in the same league as Obama’s, which includes not only his cabinet but most of the national media and much of Congress. If a president were intent on covering something up—something big, such as an illegal gun walking operation to Mexico or a dereliction

Nugent insists ´subhuman mongrel´
comments not racist, promises to
stop ´calling people names´

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CNN, by Staff*    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 2/25/2014 11:30:21 AM     Post Reply
(Video) Conservative activist and rocker Ted Nugent, whose comments referring to President Barack Obama as a "subhuman mongrel" sparked outrage across the political spectrum, insisted Monday that his remarks were not racist. In an interview with CNN´s Erin Burnett on "OutFront," Nugent said he would "stop calling people names," but he didn´t back off the incendiary rhetoric that landed him in the political spotlight in recent weeks. "Instead of using terms like ‘subhuman mongrel,’ I´m going to get right to the meat of the matter where our president is a liar. He lies about you can keep your doctor period.


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