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Model girlfriend fled to bathroom
as Oscar Pistorius shot her
through the door: neighbor

New York Daily News, by Julian Rademeyer & Larry McShane

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Posted By:StormCnter, 2/16/2013 6:14:32 AM

THE MODEL girlfriend of Olympic hero Oscar Pistorius spent her final minutes cowering behind a bathroom door after a late-night fight with her gun-loving boyfriend. The internationally acclaimed double-amputee sprinter pumped four bullets through the door and into the helpless blond beauty, a neighbor told a South African newspaper. Details of the Valentine’s Day murder emerged as Pistorius sobbed inside a South African courtroom before prosecutors alleged the shooting of Reeva Steenkamp was a cold-blooded killing.

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Urgent Fury, 2/16/2013 6:16:35 AM     (No. 9179363)

He says he didn´t do it. There´s a One-Armed Man joke in there somewhere.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: planetgeo, 2/16/2013 6:27:20 AM     (No. 9179375)

Ok, I guess I have to be the one. His neighbor´s account cuts the legs out from under his story.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Spidey, 2/16/2013 6:38:37 AM     (No. 9179388)

My guess is his prized white woman was getting ready to leave him.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: suziannr, 2/16/2013 6:59:30 AM     (No. 9179418)

He´s detailed as a "gun-loving" guy. Of course he was dangerous. Good grief SUVs were dangerous on their own, now guns are.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Achilles, 2/16/2013 7:38:53 AM     (No. 9179476)

Was she really a model girlfriend? I have heard that Models were in fact rather high maintenence girlfriends.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Chuzzles, 2/16/2013 7:58:31 AM     (No. 9179509)

If he hadn´t of shot her through a door, he might have gotten away with his intruder story.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: earlybird, 2/16/2013 8:01:10 AM     (No. 9179515)

Early days, as the Brits say. Too early to tell just what did happen here.

But how do the neighbors know so much, from having heard arguing to now being able to describe the bathroom door and how she was shot? These are very large houses, set apart on large lots. ???

As for the comment from the disgruntled woman who dated him before he moved on to this woman, nothing she says hasn´t been said about some man at some point by a woman who has been dropped by him. "He was a player." And some women go after famous men. And "he is not what he seems" may be the most poisonous comment one can make. How to prove that one actually is what one eems?

I can wait for more details from appropriate sources.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: jalo1951, 2/16/2013 8:09:17 AM     (No. 9179531)

The gun is not the problem the man is the problem. She was cornered in the bathroom. I have a feeling she was going to end up dead even if he didn´t have the gun. Strangle her, stab her, beat her to death. It´s called domestic violence for a reason. He appears to be a violent man and he was not going to let her leave alive. It will be easy enough to prove that he shot the gun. He certainly was not in fear for his life so what will he say? She was going to scratch my eyes out and I had to defend myself. Four shots through a bathroom door are pretty damning.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: msliberty1937, 2/16/2013 8:12:11 AM     (No. 9179539)

Best headline about this: "Blade Gunner’ tear gusher as he’s hit with gal-pal slay rap."

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Ida Lou Pino, 2/16/2013 8:19:55 AM     (No. 9179559)

Sure he pumped bullets through the door - - but he never intended to actually HIT her.

C´mon, people - - when was the last time you blasted bullets through a door and actually hit someone? It was an accident - - he didn´t mean it.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: galloglass, 2/16/2013 8:24:13 AM     (No. 9179566)

Reply 4 - Posted by: Spidey, 2/16/2013 6:38:37 AM (No. 9179388)
My guess is his prized white woman was getting ready to leave him.
Seeing as Pistorius is also a white South African, I´m not sure I understand your comment.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: ziel, 2/16/2013 8:27:35 AM     (No. 9179575)

I am with #11.
It is precisely shooting through the door which points to man innocence.
He simply assumed bulgier is on the other side.
Unfortunate accident, s__t happens.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Wetlandz, 2/16/2013 8:32:22 AM     (No. 9179589)

I´m sure his attorney has told him that he doesn´t have a leg to stand on.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: SoCalGal, 2/16/2013 9:06:19 AM     (No. 9179655)

The Daily News has taken a neighbor´s "report", which even NBC says is "unverified", of her having been shot through a bathroom door and expanded it into her having "fled to bathroom". That little gem is nowhere else.

We need to slow down. For people who purportedly love the "innocent until proven guilty" law under which we and few others in the world live, some of us love to rush to judgment.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: MHR, 2/16/2013 9:08:54 AM     (No. 9179663)

Prison´s too good for this guy.....

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Reply 16 - Posted by: OhMy, 2/16/2013 9:21:37 AM     (No. 9179683)

If the woman was found shot dead inside the bathroom how can he claim he didn´t know who she was and that he was firing at an unknown intruder? Passion and Jealousy sound a lot more credible to me.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Holeymoses, 2/16/2013 9:36:37 AM     (No. 9179716)

Just a thought... I wonder if they´ll let him keep his blades in prison?

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Reply 18 - Posted by: pineledger, 2/16/2013 9:42:40 AM     (No. 9179730)

To me, 8, the lots in that neighborhood look anything but large. Houses built cheek by jowl. A person with a temper has a hard time keeping it secret in a situation like that.

When is he going to start claiming the steroids made him do it?

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Reply 19 - Posted by: GoodGrief, 2/16/2013 10:07:50 AM     (No. 9179824)

Funny headline, he certainly wasn´t a "model" boyfriend.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: olcap, 2/16/2013 10:11:44 AM     (No. 9179832)

Steroids story will undoubtedly come out once he is finally cornered. And They have the evidece to put him away.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: hicokid, 2/16/2013 10:12:17 AM     (No. 9179835)

He should´ve never been allowed to compete anyway. Add the lump mass of his missing feet to his blades, and he´s gonna be a lot slower. PC gone awry again.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: jackie, 2/16/2013 10:23:26 AM     (No. 9179861)

I am sure she just stood there silently taking the four shots and didn´t scream out... He must be deaf too....
He probably was pandered to his whole life and how dare she argue with him..
I know how I am betting..

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Screwgun, 2/16/2013 10:40:31 AM     (No. 9179905)

You can´t be too careful when dealing with Replicants. They can disguise their voices. That could have been Priscilla pretending to be Reeva.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: mominNoCA, 2/16/2013 10:56:14 AM     (No. 9179939)

The one armed man and leg jokes make me cringe.

If the neighbor is the sole source of info. here (where she was shot, arguing, etc.), I´m going to wait until LE investigators share what they know. If what´s alleged turns out to be true, this guy´s scum.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Halfvast Conspirator, 2/16/2013 11:02:52 AM     (No. 9179958)

Was the girl´s name "Peg"?

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Reply 26 - Posted by: Emerson, 2/16/2013 11:15:40 AM     (No. 9179977)

A lot of sick people are attracted to these threads. Bad jokes about amputees are not funny no matter what the context.

That said, the scale of these houses, which are built staggered and offset down a street, makes them anything but "built cheek by jowl". Look at the size of the cars relative to the sizes of the houses. There is a lot of space between those houses.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/14/article-2278492-1793282E000005DC-850_634x356.jpg

And those are undoubtedly double-paned windows. Did this couple argue in front of an open window so that the neighbors could hear it? And from which side of that bathroom door were the shots fired? Was he in the bathroom with the door closed?

No forced entry? She undoubtedly had a key. Did she leave and then return, planning to surprise him?

There are too many unanswered questions for us to get ready to hang this man.


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Reply 27 - Posted by: ROLFnader, 2/16/2013 11:23:16 AM     (No. 9179998)

I´m not sure why #28 is so quick to , um, jump to Pistoris´ defense.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: columba, 2/16/2013 11:28:51 AM     (No. 9180014)

Extra marital sex has its karma.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Emerson, 2/16/2013 11:29:00 AM     (No. 9180016)

Regarding those neighbors, here is a long shot of this subdivision.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/14/article-2278492-17932845000005DC-654_634x356.jpg

There are three off-white houses in a row center right, facing the aerial camera. His is the one on the right of this row, the house that is cocked on an angle. There is a white house to its right. The other house lot that abuts on his property faces another street and its back is toward his house. It has a red roof.

Not "cheek by jowl" by any stretch of the imagination. These are big houses on good-sized lots.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: Jonr, 2/16/2013 11:55:19 AM     (No. 9180072)

Good thing he is not black or he would not be convicted!

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Reply 31 - Posted by: msjena, 2/16/2013 12:06:08 PM     (No. 9180095)

Guilty! (unless he qualifies for the celebrity exemption--see O.J., Robert Blake, Kobe Bryant, Michael Jackson).

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Reply 32 - Posted by: Sunhan65, 2/16/2013 12:27:20 PM     (No. 9180142)

If you read this story and your first thought is to decry people making jokes about the killer, you´re probably not as morally astute as you think you are. If your second thought is to work out all the ways the guy who shot his girlfriend might be innocent, you´re probably not astute at all. "Presumption of innocence" does not mean "wilful and total suspension of disbelief."

Assume, ridiculously, that he doesn´t know who is in the house, and that at no time does he call out to challenge a possible intruder, and that at no time does she say anything to let him know who she is. They somehow proceed silently to positions where she is in the bathroom and he is outside the door. The door is closed. He is, therefore, in no immediate danger. Yet, without either party trying to speak, he takes out his gun and shoots through the door multiple times, and she dies instantly and silently, without ever making a sound to let him know who she is.

If that all sounds plausible to you, please decline to ever serve on a jury.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: cheeflo, 2/16/2013 12:40:53 PM     (No. 9180165)

I dunno, #28/31 -- for such large houses, they look pretty tightly juxtaposed to me. Don´t really know what happened here until the facts emerge. But I think that his shooting through the closed bathroom door four times, following a fight loud enough for a neighbor to call the police, undermines any claim of mistaken identity.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: cheeflo, 2/16/2013 12:43:09 PM     (No. 9180170)

Good post, #34.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: TX_blanke, 2/16/2013 12:47:49 PM     (No. 9180179)

I don´t understand why everyone is so quick to believe that the neighbor could possibly know anything for certain. The police plainly said that only the two of them were in the house (no neighbor present). All this "judgment" is making this thread look worse than Evening News.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: harper, 2/16/2013 12:57:16 PM     (No. 9180202)

If he read the same stories I did about South African prisons, no wonder he is crying.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: earlybird, 2/16/2013 1:13:22 PM     (No. 9180240)

Fascinating to see the amount of insider information that some, like the Daily News journos and #34, have about this tragic shooting.

One question that comes to mind is how a victim would call out if they were shot with four sequential shots through a (presumably closed) door, one shot going to the head?

Is it really important to convict this guy today?

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Reply 38 - Posted by: zahbudda, 2/16/2013 1:39:09 PM     (No. 9180275)

What number 25 said! A bladerunner cant be too careful when dealing with replicants!

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Reply 39 - Posted by: jorgecito, 2/16/2013 2:18:34 PM     (No. 9180326)

For me, the moral of the story is that even people who appear admirable --like those have triumphed over terrible adversity-- are not necessarily good persons, or even persons we should heed unquestioningly.

We´re often presented with someone who has suffered some devastating loss, and then are lectured that we can´t question that person´s "moral authority."

Other examples of this phenomenon: Max Cleland, who lost his legs in Vietnam ... then became a liberal politician whom we were not allowed to criticize; and Elie Wiesel; and Cindy Sheehan; and Gabby Giffords.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: cheeflo, 2/16/2013 2:18:34 PM     (No. 9180327)

#39 -- I took #34´s comment as a thought experiment which raised entirely reasonable points. I don´t think it was presented as knowing the specifics of this case, but rather it challenged those who are straining to explain the known facts as exculpatory.

Your own remark -- "One question that comes to mind is how a victim would call out if they were shot with four sequential shots through a (presumably closed) door, one shot going to the head?" does exactly that. It´s not a stretch to presume that bullet holes through the door meant that the door was closed. Of course, if she was already dead, she couldn´t have responded. But, if he knew she was in the house, surely he would have established her whereabouts by calling out to her before shooting through a closed bathroom door.

It remains to be seen what actually happened, but a claim of mistaken identity simply isn´t credible.

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Reply 41 - Posted by: 4Justice, 2/16/2013 2:29:09 PM     (No. 9180344)

Oh come on, 28, yes, it IS funny. Geez! Some folks still have a sense of humor, thank goodness. Forget the "PC No-Humor Club"--they are not going to stop my ability to laugh.

What I do NOT find funny is dirty bathroom "humor". That is just nasty.

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Reply 42 - Posted by: Sunhan65, 2/16/2013 2:55:08 PM     (No. 9180406)

I guess you´re right, #39. I´m stumped.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: jackie, 2/16/2013 3:54:24 PM     (No. 9180468)

I doubt the 1st shot was to the head...the rest to a finger and etc. She had to scream...could she not scream even if the headshot was 1st?
I may have been born at night but it sure as heck wasn´t last night...
I still know how I am betting... Sounds like he had a nasty temper and the story did say the cops were out there earlier did it not?

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Reply 44 - Posted by: thethirdruffian, 2/16/2013 4:50:55 PM     (No. 9180559)

Roses are Red,
Violets are glorious.

Don´t try to surprise
Oscar Pistorius.

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Reply 45 - Posted by: 1976Ag, 2/16/2013 6:42:49 PM     (No. 9180709)

"Gun loving"? What is that supposed to mean?

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Reply 46 - Posted by: cat2, 2/17/2013 5:19:03 AM     (No. 9181013)

What do you want to bet that he tortured little animals as a kid and his parents made excuses and looked the other way?

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Last week Al Sharpton embraced convicted vote fraudster Melowese Richardson at a “voting rights” rally in Cincinnati. The United States Department of Justice under Eric Holder has done nothing to Melowese Richardson 410 days after she admitted on camera that she committed multiple federal felonies by voting six times for President Obama’s reelection. Federal law makes it a felony to vote more than once for President. In fact, 42 U.S.C. Section 1973i(e) subjects Richardson to twenty-five years in federal prison for her six votes for Obama. The lack of DOJ action against an unrepentant federal vote fraudster combined with Richardson’s lionization by

The climate change deniers have won
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Observer (U.K.), by Nick Cohen    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 3/23/2014 8:27:15 PM     Post Reply
The American Association for the Advancement of Science came as close as such a respectable institution can to screaming an alarm last week. "As scientists, it is not our role to tell people what they should do," it said as it began one of those sentences that you know will build to a "but". "But human-caused climate risks abrupt, unpredictable and potentially irreversible changes." In other words, the most distinguished scientists from the country with the world´s pre-eminent educational institutions were trying to shake humanity out of its complacency. Why weren´t their warnings leading the news? In one sense, the association´s appeal

Obama Flies to a Europe
Shaken by Putin´s Bold Strategy

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NBC News, by Tom Curry    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 3/23/2014 8:09:45 PM     Post Reply
President Barack Obama flies Sunday to a Europe shaken by Vladimir Putin’s seizure of Crimea and his threats against eastern parts of Ukraine. At a summit conference at The Hague on preventing nuclear terrorism – scheduled long before the Ukraine crisis – Obama will confer with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and other leaders. On Monday afternoon Obama will meet with President Xi Jinping of China, Russia’s neighbor and sometime rival. Putin has forced the United States and Europe to refocus on the origins of the modern transatlantic alliance -- the 1949 NATO defense partnership designed to prevent a

The Evil of the Outdoor Cat
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New York Times, by Richard Conniff    Original Article
Posted By: MissMolly- 3/23/2014 5:25:45 AM     Post Reply
ONCE upon a time I had a cat named Lucky, and the name fit. She turned up on our doorstep as a stray and stayed with us for 10 years, until her rather gruesome demise. (More about that later.) I liked her because she was a free spirit, and a survivor, going out for two, three, even five days, in all seasons. She’d show up when it suited her, waiting in the dark before dawn till I came downstairs and turned on my desk lamp. Then she’d make her presence known by rising up on her hind legs and gently

Stay cool, Sasha! First daughter cuts a
stylish figure in shades as the Obamas
visit Great Wall of China and country
becomes fascinated with Michelle´s ´elegance´

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Daily Mail [UK], by Associated Press & Daily Mail Reporter    Original Article
Posted By: Attercliffe- 3/23/2014 12:46:59 PM     Post Reply
First daughter Sasha Obama cut a stylish figure in jeans and shades as the Obama girls visited the Great Wall of China today. Michelle Obama, Malia, 15, and Sasha, 12, were left alone to explore the Mutianyu section of the historical landmark in the northern Beijing suburbs though Chinese police officers looked on protectively. The three walked a stretch of the wall that looks out to a massive rock inscription on a hillside that reads in Chinese: ´Loyal to Chairman Mao.´ The country has been fascinated by Mrs Obama´s ´elegance´ during the weeklong visit to the country to promote educational

Romney slams Obama for
´faulty judgment´ on Russia

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Associated Press, by Kevin Freking    Original Article
Posted By: toledo- 3/23/2014 10:17:36 PM     Post Reply
WASHINGTON — Mitt Romney said Sunday that President Barack Obama is naive when it comes to Russia, has shown "faulty judgment" about Moscow´s intentions and could have done more to try to deter its annexation of Crimea. The 2012 Republican presidential nominee said Obama didn´t have the foresight to anticipate Russia´s moves and should have been working earlier with allies to make clear the penalties that Russia would face if it moved into Ukraine. Romney did acknowledge that such steps may not have been enough though to hold back Russia President Vladimir Putin. "Had we communicated those things, there´s always

University of California-Santa
Barbara feminist professor charged
in confrontation with pro-life teen

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Fox News, by Staff*    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 3/22/2014 9:43:26 PM     Post Reply
A feminist studies professor at a California state university is facing criminal charges after a videotaped run-in with a teenage pro-life demonstrator in which she snatched an anti-abortion sign and appeared to get physical with the girl. University of California at Santa Barbara Associate Professor Mireille Miller-Young was charged with one misdemeanor count each of theft, battery and vandalism in the March 4 incident, Santa Barbara County District Attorney Joyce Dudley announced Friday. The charges came days after 16-year-old Thrin Short and her parents met with prosecutors. Thrin told authorities what she told FoxNews.com earlier this month: She, her older

Press banned as first
lady touts free speech

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Boston Herald, by Bob McGovern    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 3/23/2014 4:48:25 AM     Post Reply
First lady Michelle Obama told students that freedom of speech should be a universal right during her extravagant, no-press-allowed tour of China — a hypocritical move that will surely draw the ire of critics, according to an expert. “That is troublesome. That goes beyond hypocritical, and I think the American media and the international media has every right to call her and the Obama administration on that — that they permitted that to happen,” said Tom Whalen, a political history professor at Boston University. “It makes you shake your head, albeit sadly.” The first lady stopped at Peking University in Beijing yesterday

Study: Blacks with white
friends are ´less black´

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Washington Examiner, by Paul Bedard    Original Article
Posted By: Judy W.- 3/23/2014 6:23:12 AM     Post Reply
When Washington, D.C., councilman and former Mayor Marion Barry this week said that whites need to be “more open-minded” about African-American politicians, claiming “blacks are more open-minded than” whites, he was suggesting that whites can´t do what blacks do -- embrace the other race. But a new study of 212 black college students made available to Secrets found little open-mindedness: Blacks don´t like it when other blacks associate with whites, to the point of refusing help to an African-American experiencing “a run of bad luck” -- just because they have white friends. The study in the April edition of the authoritative journal

Ellmers berates constituents
for opposing amnesty ´You
don´t have any damn facts´

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Breitbart Big Government, by Tony Lee    Original Article
Posted By: Fiesta del sol- 3/23/2014 9:55:10 AM     Post Reply
In a constituent meeting gone awry that was captured on shaky, amateur video, embattled Rep. Renee Ellmers (R-NC) berated a group of local activists who oppose amnesty legislation, suggesting they were racist and saying they didn´t have “any damn facts.” “You´re telling me what people have told you? You don´t have any damn facts!” Ellmers exploded at one of the activists when he said that employers – who often claim a labor shortage to argue for amnesty – frequently don´t post job openings in that region.

Why churches should brace for
a mass exodus of the faithful

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The Week, by Damon Linker    Original Article
Posted By: NorthernDog- 3/24/2014 9:30:28 AM     Post Reply
A few weeks ago, I wrote about how the sweeping acceptance of gay marriage in recent years is owed in large part to Christianity. Rejecting the rigidly hierarchical and stratified societies of the ancient world, Jesus Christ taught the equal dignity of all persons, proclaimed that the meek shall inherit the earth, and declared that the last shall be first and the first shall be last. The Western world has been working out the logic of these subversive teachings ever since, with the institutional transformation of marriage being the latest, though surely not the last, example of its social, moral,


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