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Doctor Jill Biden
National Review Online, by Jonah Goldberg

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Posted By:Pluperfect, 2/13/2013 12:43:34 PM

Last night on Twitter I commented that I think that the rote insistence that Jill Biden be referred to “Doctor Jill Biden” is kind of silly (that’s how President Obama referred to her). This elicited a remarkable amount of anger. I then made things worse by explaining that Jill Biden isn’t a “real” doctor. She holds a doctorate in education. That invited even more bile. Some came from academics who insist that the title “Doctor” is commonplace on American campuses, even for people with doctorates in education, and therefore there’s nothing wrong with the president’s use

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Where did I get the idea she is a pediatrician?

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: lil dotty, 2/13/2013 12:52:39 PM     (No. 9174210)

Op, easy she loves children so much. Didn´t she marry one who obviously needs to be closely parented?

Jonah, podiatrists are not ´real´ doctors either, according to Seinfeld.



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Reply 2 - Posted by: earlybird, 2/13/2013 12:58:22 PM     (No. 9174223)

As Jonah says, it is vanity to use these honorifics off campus - or overweening fawning by the person who uses them.

This is a pathetic feminist ploy, indulged in by a woman who wouldn´t need to do it if she were more sure of herself and her value.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: WyoEagle, 2/13/2013 1:03:17 PM     (No. 9174231)

My wife is a real doctor who endured 12 years of education and very longs hours to become one. I agree with Jonah.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Grady, 2/13/2013 1:10:40 PM     (No. 9174241)

Going to Mrs. Biden for a medical issue would be like going
to Obama looking for Presidential leadership.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: jerseyden, 2/13/2013 1:11:09 PM     (No. 9174242)

Only the elite academia worry about such things. Most people working in the real world think it´s quaint these non medical doctors appoint themselves this title. Maybe we should start calling plumbers and elections House Doctors.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Bevan, 2/13/2013 1:11:29 PM     (No. 9174244)

Liberals are the most status conscious egaltarians on the planet.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: dbdiva, 2/13/2013 1:12:37 PM     (No. 9174246)

Perhaps I missed it but the column didn´t state that Jill was insisting on the honorific but that others in academia were.
However...If I were Jill I would insist upon being called by my maiden name. I would not care if I were addressed as ´Doctor´ or not.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Susannah, 2/13/2013 1:12:49 PM     (No. 9174247)

In my experience, people with Ph.D.s in legitimate subjects don´t insist on being called "doctor." They don´t even use the term "doctor" in reference to themselves.

On the other hand, people with Ed.Ds INSIST on being called "doctor."

Jonah´s right.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: sternben, 2/13/2013 1:14:12 PM     (No. 9174252)

This reminds me of the question, what does a doctor of mathematics do? He treats irrational numbers.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: JHHolliday, 2/13/2013 1:18:01 PM     (No. 9174261)

Vanity, vanity. I have an academic ´doctor´ cousin who puts it on all his correspondence even to friends. He is long retired and never taught his subject. He doesn´t have a clue that this is amusing to the rest of the family.

My personal physician signs his emails to me from ´Dave´. I think most real doctors are aware of their worth and don´t need the honorific in social situations.

And have you noticed that MLK is almost always referred as ´Doctor King´ by the media in an attempt to enhance his standing. They never, of course, mention that he plaigarized his doctorate thesis to get the title.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 2/13/2013 1:19:48 PM     (No. 9174267)

My favorite is "Reverend Doctor".

That´s when I know it´s time to hide the silverware.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Citizen Plain, 2/13/2013 1:25:25 PM     (No. 9174277)

Doctorate in education should be outlawed: there is no core discipline. These are the schmucks who have wrecked k-12, and turned colleges into commie hives

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Reply 13 - Posted by: starboard, 2/13/2013 1:26:39 PM     (No. 9174279)

People who are accomplished and are secure with individuals usually never broadcast their education credentials. But when you are married to Joe Biden, perhaps you have to preface your name with a title.

I agree with Jonah.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: JudithC, 2/13/2013 1:32:55 PM     (No. 9174292)

If I were in the room with you, Jonah, I´d bend the knee and then lead a standing ovation for you. Every word is point on. No one with an IQ that cracks 65 would want to call attention to the fact that he or she held a doctorate in education and use the "doctor" to impress the lumpen proletariat.

The first night that I was seated as a member of a very large Board of Education the overweening university professor in a well known prestigious liberal arts college who held a doctorate in education introduced himself—right after he insulted me. I can still seen this pompous little man standing there complete with his thin beard, de rigeur glasses, bow tie, , sallow skin, and professorially superior attitude as his pulled himself up and said, "I don´t believe I´ve met you. I´m doctor Sager (with heavy emphasis on doctor). Then, with Obama like hubris, he stood and waited to let that credential intended to impress and bowl me over sink in and waited for my reply. I answered, "Doctor? Doctor of what?" He looked as though he couldn´t believe what he was hearing and then with an increased emphasis on doctor said, "doctor of education!" I paused a few seconds and then did my best to make it appear as though I felt badly to hear that as I leaned over and patted his forearm and said, " that´s okay...your secret´s safe with me."



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Reply 15 - Posted by: Hobbiest, 2/13/2013 1:32:57 PM     (No. 9174293)

The Ph.Ds I know look at the Ed.D degree as a joke because at many institutions they are handed out to anyone who can afford the tuition. The degree exists for the sole purpose of overpaying third rate public school teachers. The first rate teachers opt for an advanced degree in the subject matter they will be teaching.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: roger h. cook,MD, 2/13/2013 1:33:18 PM     (No. 9174295)

Maybe she needs this to impress people and maybe her ego needs boosting, you would´d her to say she is Bidens daughter or she is a democrat ,ah giver her a break!

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Reply 17 - Posted by: zoidberg, 2/13/2013 1:37:31 PM     (No. 9174308)

A cousin of mine is a retired professor (political science) and always threw his honorific around. It amused us.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: harpoon4, 2/13/2013 1:38:36 PM     (No. 9174310)

James Counsilman (Mark Spitz´ coach at Indiana U had the doctorate. He was lovingly referred to as "Doc" Counsilman but it was never taked seriously.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Flybynight, 2/13/2013 1:41:51 PM     (No. 9174317)

I asked my great uncle, a renowned economist, whether I should introduce himto my young adult friends as Dr. X or Professor X. He replied with his gentle smile, "My deah, in this field the doctorate goes without saying, and not calling attention to it saves no end of ´organ recitals´ by those who mistake me for a physician."

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Reply 20 - Posted by: msjena, 2/13/2013 1:44:32 PM     (No. 9174325)

PhD degrees can be a joke,too. I think it depends on the school and the program. A Harvard Ed.D. is probably more legitimate than one from some other institutions.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Whamdbambam, 2/13/2013 1:59:48 PM     (No. 9174358)

Funny, I´d thought her a Doctor of Thinkology.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: ramona, 2/13/2013 2:00:47 PM     (No. 9174359)

Except for my students, only my dad called me "Doctor." And yes, there is a great difference between an EdD. and a Ph.D. An Ed.D. typically is earned by a practitioner who is not interested in pursuing further research or becoming faculty member at a college or university.

But there is also a vast difference in what leads to a Ph.D. in social sciences in general, depending on the quality and integrity of the people running those programs. I´ve read dissertations that passed elsewhere but would not have qualified for a master´s level term paper at top-notch institutions. Mrs. Biden should, at the least, blush when someone refers to her as "Dr."
Ramona (the Pest)

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Reply 23 - Posted by: maggie2u, 2/13/2013 2:05:08 PM     (No. 9174368)

My son-in-law is a chemical engineer and does not like it when anyone refers to him as ´doctor.´
A few years ago, I was at a party and had the most interesting conversation with an older gentleman about just things. Nothing specific, just had a good time. it wasn´t until a few weeks later when I asked my son about this man and I found out that he had a Ph.D in physics and taught at a University in Texas. He was just an interesting person to chat with and never gave a hint about his eduction or degree.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Jloophole, 2/13/2013 2:17:45 PM     (No. 9174394)

A perfect match for the man who has a US senate seal above a fireplace in his house. Just in case you thought they were hoi polloi, this separates them from the commoners.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Father of Internet, 2/13/2013 2:20:32 PM     (No. 9174400)

Perhaps she´s a Time Lady from Gallifrey! Double Standard again - Lynn Cheney, they were more likely to refer to as Mrs. Doctor Evil.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: rtwngprof, 2/13/2013 2:21:14 PM     (No. 9174401)

I have a Ph.D. I never use the title "Doctor" outside of my professional status. However, calling an M.D. a "real doctor" rankles me, because the Ph.D. is by far the older degree.

Ph.D.´s were writing, researching, and teaching in the great universities of Europe when "real doctors" were still giving haircuts and bleeding people. "Doctor" is an academic degree, not limited to the healing professions; they are more correctly called physicians.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Delilah, 2/13/2013 2:21:59 PM     (No. 9174402)

I have friends and family with PhD´s and the first time I wrote them after they aquired them I used the title Dr. jokingly and never after that and they never objected. Jill is a twit of the first order.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Cat Ballou, 2/13/2013 2:36:51 PM     (No. 9174430)

Well #26, I think most of us common folk have an idea of what a doctor is, & could care less about the others. You say doctor to me, I think of a doctor. What happens in academia & what they call themselves really has nothing to do with the ever day real world. If Biden´s wife wants to look silly, let her, I´m sure no one will make the mistake of asking her for a diagnosis.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Felixcat, 2/13/2013 2:42:47 PM     (No. 9174438)

As her husband Joe might say: "BFD."

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Reply 30 - Posted by: Italiano, 2/13/2013 3:00:24 PM     (No. 9174468)

I have a Juris Doctor degree. You should hear some of the things I get called.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: Rafter, 2/13/2013 3:02:07 PM     (No. 9174469)

#26 makes excellent points.

My dad had a Ph.D. from Harvard and professionally was "Doctor X."
He was a department chairman and later university vice-president.
Some people called him "Doc" or "Doctor" for fun, and he was well liked.
But other than job-related, he just used his name.

We have an M.D. in the family, and I worked for years for an M.D.
They are not "real" doctors.
Lots of pursuits have doctors in the profession... chiropractors, scientists in many fields, etc.
Some physicians are D.O.´s, not M.D.´s.

It is widely recognized that the "Education" field is lame and deficient
in a number of ways.
Not trying to insult Bill Cosby, but education departments are often weak.



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Reply 32 - Posted by: lakerman1, 2/13/2013 3:12:49 PM     (No. 9174488)

I am the holder of a Ph.D., from the best university in the world for my major concentration. And I have noticed, over the years, that the people who address me as ´Doctor´ seem to do it to make themselves feel good.
The origin of the word ´doctor´ is ´docere´ which means to teach.
Finally, in my opinion, the doctor of education degree is nearly at the bottom of the academic totem pole.The only degree lower is the doctorate in ´leadership´ (whatever that is.)

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Reply 33 - Posted by: pickle1, 2/13/2013 3:14:42 PM     (No. 9174492)

She is not a medical doctor. I have only run across in my lifetime one like her who insisted on being called Dr. It´s even on his driver´s license.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: lawabidingcitizen, 2/13/2013 3:18:59 PM     (No. 9174502)

In the academic world, where doctorates are the rule, only M.D.s and those with Ph.D´s in education call themselves doctor. The latter are the objects of derision, but most are too simple-minded to realize it.

Some older professors, especially emeriti, might be also addressed as doctor by younger faculty as a sign of respect.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: heartsurgeon, 2/13/2013 3:29:23 PM     (No. 9174521)

My loathing of the Biden´s is already maxed out.

Jill demanding she be called Dr. Biden doesn´t really change my opinion of her.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: mrdj, 2/13/2013 3:43:16 PM     (No. 9174549)

Here in LA the media often refers to the owner of the Lakers as Dr. Jerry Buss. I don´t know how it got started, but at least it´s a Ph.D. in chemistry and he was on the faculty at USC.



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Reply 37 - Posted by: navybrat, 2/13/2013 3:58:41 PM     (No. 9174579)

She is blonde and plugs is an airhead. Enough said.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: krause, 2/13/2013 4:01:43 PM     (No. 9174582)

The left love academia as they are not destined for the hated business world. So they stay in school until there 30´s looking for a university or government job, or one in the unions, a non-profit, or for a lefty think tank.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: phillyred, 2/13/2013 4:04:16 PM     (No. 9174592)

This drives me nuts! Come up with a different title. When I yell doctor, I want an MD, not an expert in English Literature. I´ll never forget going to my son´s back-to-school open house and one of the parents of a kid in his class corrected the teacher with "Doctor..." when she called him "Mr...." Pure freaking arrogance. Of course he is a big liberal Obama supporter.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: 4Justice, 2/13/2013 4:28:27 PM     (No. 9174634)

Okay, that does it... I am 4Justice, MBA from now on!!

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Reply 41 - Posted by: jkcinsalem, 2/13/2013 4:43:21 PM     (No. 9174665)

BO. addresses Mrs. Biden that way because her husband is on record, insisting that it be used when addressing or referencing her. I remember reading that years ago, on this news forum.

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Reply 42 - Posted by: veritas, 2/13/2013 4:50:43 PM     (No. 9174678)

It´s my understanding that Ed school students have the highest GPAs and lowest SATs of any college in a University.

How about that?

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Reply 43 - Posted by: TXknitter, 2/13/2013 5:04:53 PM     (No. 9174695)

#7, oh it´s coming from her office alright. I heard Brian Williams himself say it way back during the early days in 2009. I listened and remembered that.

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Reply 44 - Posted by: EmilioCavaradosi, 2/13/2013 8:34:03 PM     (No. 9175005)

There is an inverted snobbery. Professors at Ivy league universities never use "Doctor" to one another. It is presumed that they have the degree; they are very careful to refer to one another as "Mister." At lesser institutions, where many of the faculty may not have the degree,faculty often insist on being called "Doctor." Ph.D.s working in business or government frequently use the title because it impresses "the suits." Personally, I only use it when I´m in a hospital because "turnabout is fair play" and it sometimes makes the staff a little more careful.

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IN a major behind-the-scenes blowout, President BARACK OBAMA and first lady MICHELLE waged their worst White House fight ever over her lavish vacation trip to China! Sources tell The ENQUIRER that Obama exploded when Mi­chelle refused to cancel her pricey getaway – even after White House advisers warned him that the first couple’s six-year string of extravagant vacations had already drained the U.S. Trea­sury of a whopping $150 million in tax­payers’ money. Instead of postpon­ing her trip, a furious Michelle – still seeth­ing over the embarrassing “selfie” Barack recently snapped with a leggy blonde head of state –

Massive Voter Fraud Discovered
in North Carolina’s 2012 Election

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PJ Media, by Bryan Preston    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/2/2014 7:17:55 PM     Post Reply
The North Carolina State Board of Elections has found thousands of instances of voter fraud in the state, thanks to a 28-state crosscheck of voter rolls. Initial findings suggest widespread election fraud. 765 voters with an exact match of first and last name, DOB and last four digits of SSN were registered in N.C. and another state and voted in N.C. and the other state in the 2012 general election. 35,750 voters with the same first and last name and DOB were registered in N.C. and another state and voted in both states in the 2012 general election. 155,692 voters

CEO of Firefox maker Mozilla steps down
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USA Today, by Brett Molina    Original Article
Posted By: LittleHoodedMonk- 4/3/2014 4:06:40 PM     Post Reply
Mozilla CEO Brendan Eich will step down following uproar over his apparent opposition to gay marriage. In a statement released Thursday, Mozilla -- which makes the Firefox Web browser -- apologized for not reacting more quickly to the controversy surrounding Eich, who made a 2008 donation supporting California´s plan on gay marriage, The Guardian reports. "We know why people are hurt and angry, and they are right: it´s because we haven´t stayed true to ourselves," said Mozilla executive chairwoman Mitchell Baker in a statement. Last week, Eich attempted to dispel fears on whether he would support equality as the head

North Carolina drivers to
be charged by the mile?

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WTVD-TV [Raleigh-Durham, NC], by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Fiesta del sol- 4/3/2014 6:40:07 AM     Post Reply
Big changes could be just down the road for North Carolina drivers. A proposal is in the works that would change the state tax system to charge drivers by the mile, instead of at the gas pump.The proposal would be to charge a half cent per mile for cars, which would generate almost $500 million in annual state revenue. A driver who travelled 15,000 miles in a year would pay about $75. "Basically you pay per the mile. It´s treating transportation as a utility, much like your water and sewer," said Larry Goode, with the Institute of Transportation Research and
Source corrected by Staff

Sources on ground during
Benghazi attack slam ex-CIA
boss Morell’s testimony

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Fox News, by Adam Housley    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/2/2014 9:19:40 PM     Post Reply
Sources on the ground in Benghazi during the 2012 terror attack are pushing back hard on former CIA acting director Mike Morell´s testimony on Capitol Hill, where he defended his role in shaping the administration´s narrative and claimed politics were not involved. As part of Morell´s testimony on Wednesday, the former acting and deputy CIA director acknowledged that he overruled the guidance of the top CIA officer in Libya at the time. That official told Morell the attack was not an "escalation of protests," but Morell said he had to weigh that against analysts who concluded the opposite. He ultimately went

David Letterman makes big announcement
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CBS News, by Lauren Moraski    Original Article
Posted By: LittleHoodedMonk- 4/3/2014 5:00:45 PM     Post Reply
It´s the end of an era: David Letterman announced Thursday that he´s retiring from CBS´ "Late Show" sometime next year. He made that announcement during the taping of his program this afternoon. The late-night talk show host, who will celebrate his 67th birthday next week, made his debut on the "Late Show" on Aug. 30, 1993. Letterman got his television start in 1978 on the CBS variety series "Mary," starring Mary Tyler Moore. Months later, he paid his first visit to "The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson" -- marking the first of 22 appearances. He also guest-hosted "Tonight" numerous times.

5 Reasons Why Republicans
Should Say No to Jeb 2016

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Daily Beast, by Myra Adams    Original Article
Posted By: tisHimself- 4/2/2014 6:39:16 AM     Post Reply
With Chris Christie in deep trouble, Republican poobahs are reportedly looking to Jeb Bush to save their party in 2016. The former two-term governor of Florida speaks fluent Spanish, is a convert to Catholicism, and has high name recognition. Jeb could raise millions of dollars over night by just saying “yes” to running. Despite all this, there are strong reasons Republicans should say no to him. 1. His last name is poison. Let’s face it, if Jeb Bush had the last name of Something Else he would have already run for president in 2008 or 2012. According to a recent Washington Post/ABC News poll registered voters were asked if they would definitely NOT vote for Jeb Bush and 50 percent said they would not.

The GOP faithful should
give Jeb Bush a hearing

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Washington Post, by George F. Will    Original Article
Posted By: tisHimself- 4/2/2014 11:20:56 PM     Post Reply
The human kindling that makes up the flammable Republican base may soon burst into flames, again. Portions of that excitable cohort are looking — some with fawn-like eyes filled with hurt, others with sparks shooting from eyes narrowed like gun slits — askance at other Republicans urging Jeb Bush to seek the 2016 presidential nomination. A candidacy by Florida’s former governor would be desirable. But if Republicans want to avoid intra-party carnage, they should be very careful about doing what The Post recently reported: “Many of the Republican Party’s most powerful insiders and financiers have begun a behind-the-scenes campaign to draft

Dem Rep.: ‘Members of Congress
Are Underpaid,’ Can’t Afford
to ‘Live Decently’

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Mediaite, by Josh Feldman    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/3/2014 7:15:42 PM     Post Reply
Do you think members of Congress are overpaid or underpaid? Most likely you’d go with the former, but Democratic congressman Jim Moran argues it’s actually the latter. In an interview with CQ Roll Call, Moran says, “I think the American people should know that the members of Congress are underpaid.” The House recently took up a bill to freeze members’ paychecks, placing another halt on the annual cost-of-living pay increases they would normally get and keeping annual salary at $174,000. Moran believes that this is the wrong way to go, not necessarily talking about himself in particular, but saying there

Defense Secretary ´Looking´ at Banning
Tobacco Sales at Military Installations

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Weekly Standard, by Daniel Halper    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/2/2014 5:23:20 AM     Post Reply
Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel is "looking" at banning the sale of tobacco at military installations. According to one military publication, Hagel appears to support it. "As the Navy considers banning tobacco sales on all bases and ships, Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel gave a strong endorsement of the review Monday, and suggested that he would be in favor of a ban," reports Stars and Stripes. “I don’t know if there’s anybody in America who still thinks that tobacco is good for you,” Stars and Stripes quotes Hagel as saying. “We don’t allow smoking in any of our government buildings. Restaurants, states, [and]

Sarah Palin Continues to Discredit Herself
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Commentary Magazine, by Peter Wehner    Original Article
Posted By: MissMolly- 4/2/2014 2:45:34 PM     Post Reply
Sarah Palin continues to act in ways that confirm some of the more negative things said about her. For example, she’s taken to Facebook to attack the most recent budget plan by House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan.(Snip)Whatever differences Ms. Palin may have with the Ryan plan–and perhaps she’ll take the time to offer an actual critique of if rather than a Facebook entry with lots of upper case words–it’s hardly a joke. But what might elicit a roll of the eyes is comparing Ms. Palin’s views now versus what they were nearly four years ago. Consider this: On December


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