Karl Rove was not happy. The conservative base of the Republican Party is not happy. The Ford/Bush-Reagan battle of ideology decades past suddenly renews. What’s going on with Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell? And yes, to wax Carvillian, it is the ideology, stupid. In fact, it is an ideological war. First, Mr. Rove and a leaked email. The date: September 14, 2010. The place: Sean Hannity’s television show. The occasion: The Delaware U.S. Senate primary, won that night by conservative activist Christine O’Donnell. Won by a more than respectable 6 points, 53%-47%. The news reached Karl Rove while appearing on Sean Hannity’s Fox News TV show, as seen here.
Comments: Jeffrey Lord absolutely destroys Karl Rove in this article by proving he actively worked against Tea Party candidates before and after they won their primaries and he continues to do so.
This lays to rest any argument from the Republican Establishment fan club of "cant we all just get along".
A must read for anyone still sitting on the fence of the issue.
Nah. Just a lot of wishful thinking on the part of the OP. Soldier on, my friend.
Why should we attempt to "destroy" any individual or group, Karl Rove´s or any others who is working to fund good candidates for our side? If you don´t like this one, send your money to that one. I´m glad to see them all.
Unfortunately for you the article destroys your argument as well as Rove´s. Rove talks a united front but when it comes to the rubber meeting the road, as the article describes, he has completely different story to tell.
In short, he is a bold faced liar as well as a back stabbing chiseler.
I do admire your tenacity though, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
A very revealing read. Me, being a part of the ´senior´ group, would rather see the ´establishments´ be diminished, to make way for others following. IMHO, too long as the establishment engenders inhibition for further change (meaning REAL getting back to minimal gov´t).
Money quote FTA Politically speaking, there is considerable umbrage taken by conservatives at the idea that a GOP Establishment that keeps losing presidential elections (2012, 2008, 1996, 1992, 1976) or wins them by unnecessarily narrow margins (2000 and 2004) — has the chutzpa to blame conservatives for losing elections.
Remember, OP, the enemy has a D behind the name. Rove does not. Save your energy to fight the bad guys, not those working on our behalf and not those who won´t help "destroy" them. And, yes, #5, if that PAC is funding candidates, power to it.
What #2 fails to comprehend is that whether or not O´Donnell was a disaster or not is NOT the issue. Mike Castle would have been a disaster in office, just like Jim Jeffords, Arlen Specter and Charlie Crist turned out to be. We never win in the long run by putting Democrats in office with an R by their name. It always comes back to hurt much worse in the long run. Castle was horrific.
Rove is a greasy back stabber. To go along with this establishment fathead invites further future loses for the Republicans. C. O´Donnell has nothing to do with this - for better or for worse she was chosen by the PEOPLE of DE to run...not by the establishment republicans. Forget C. O´Donnell, she was something more of an outliar who got my support nonetheless. For all her so called "crazy" ideas or behaviors, it´s better than those stuck on stupid that keep electing the same establishment hacks.
Take a lesson from the Dems Karl! They support their candidates warts and all.
I stopped donating to the Republican National Committee when Rove and cohorts abandoned Christine O´Donnell. Yes she was kind of kooky but she won the primary! She was not Rove´s kind of candidate so the top brass of the GOP trashed her beyond belief!
There are MANY of us out here who wish Karl Rove would just go away!!
1) The 11th Commandment of Ronald Magnus: "Thou Shalt Not Speak Ill of a Fellow Republican."
2) Republicans are not Democrats. Democrats don´t care what sort of low life, anti-American, immoral, ignorant creep they elect. So long as they´re pro-abortion, anti-military and able to repeat the PC mantras, they´re in. Yellow dogs and all.
3) Tea Partiers, Libertarians, religious conservatives live in glass houses on this one. They stayed home and gave us another 4 years of the Obama regime. This did terrible damage to our country. We will pay the price of their ideological purity and religious bigotry for a generation.
4) Rove was right: these are unelectable candidates. O´Donnell was all over tv, and she was manifestly a fool. Anybody running for office who isn´t aware that the media belongs to the Democratic left is too stupid to serve effectively. Complaining about it is a waste of time. It´s not changing. The War on Women was a main plank of the Dims- how´d Aiken and Murdock miss that?
WE NEED TO WIN! It´s our duty to get it together and save the country.
17 I hope you feel better after that rant. It´s a pathetic argument though, lumping tea party and libertarian and single issue socons together...not to mention acting as if Karl Rove follows your advice.
Point #1 - PAGING ROVE AND GEORGETTE MOSBACHER...PAGING ROVE AND MOSBACHER....
Point #2 they shore do WANNA BE, tho, don´t they? Key question here: where are their spines?
Point #3 THIS Tea Partier did not stay home...nor did a whole slew of other Tea Partiers who cast their vote for a candidate who was...to quote my favorite RNC witch to flog, "going to be our candidate, so we should just shut up and accept him." You do the research honey. I know for a fact there were LINES and LINES of people voting to support the RNC candidate...and he lost. Glass houses? How dare you! The fact that you are among the ones using a very DEMOCRAT tactic of bullying and then blaming the victim disproves your #2 point. I suggest you rethink those words before you fling them out over the conservatives of Lcom again. We´re still here. We´re not going away.
Point #4 Well we wouldnt have known that despite the fact that the candidates won the primaries...THANK GOODNESS Rove was there to make primary decisions for the rest of us.
Listen, sweetheart, no one likes a brown noser. Our Victorian governess has already wagged their finger at us. Youre just copying. Thats okay. Recess is coming.
Would O´Donnell have seemed "kooky" if she had professional backing and coaching rather than a firing squad? And if we want to take the "support anyone with an R after their name" argument to its logical conclusion, that means we would all vote for 0bama with no hesitation if he only switched party affiliation - sounds pretty stupid, doesn´t it?
Religious conservatives actually voted for Romney in greater numbers than they did for either Bush in 2004 or McCain in 2008 but you go ahead with your meme to the contrary if it makes you feel better to believe it.
#20 O´ Donell should have had the basic smarts to be trained. A Ditz with a capital D was a sure fire way to lose a seat and that´s what she did. We can rail against Rove,but he has been down inthe trenches. O´Donnell, Akins and Mourdoch are prime examples of why we should be thinking with our heads and not our hearts.
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god of irony, 2/13/2013 8:55:46 AM (No. 9173774)
For those of you want to throw O´Donnell in the Tea Party´s face I remind you that it was Rove´s strategy of handpicking "likeable" moderates instead of principled conservatives that gave the House back to the Democrats.
If some Republicans stayed home doesn´t it follow that it was a loss because of the Establishment´s [Rove] tactics. So Rove couldn´t control all the Republicans,so blame them for not following their King.? What is different from Obama? Republicans do not like to be ´ruled´ over by those who use money [donated by Repubicans] to put down those they consider inferior. The R Party loses with Establishment candidates.
I was angry with Rove on primary night, then tried to excuse O´Donnell, then cringed as her kooky became crszy. Rove´s org gave money to many candidates, including O´Donnell. He personally gave to Rubio. And we must stop talking about THE Tea Party. There are many, and they´re not the same. Personally, I back the fiscal tea parties. We really need to get away from social issues. Our views are too divergent. Stick with the constitution and fiscal responsibility.
#13/19-friendly advice: Anyone wanting to accuse others of "bullying" might stop typing so much of her comment in all caps. Also, now we´re supposed to be afraid of Georgette Mossbacher, too? I doubt many outside of Texas even know who she is.
Great article and instructive thread that exposes just how myopic and disingenuous the remaining liberal Republicans are. Having spent years trashing other candidates from Paling and Thompson to Gingrich and Brachman and Perry and Cain and asserting that there is no t party and no establishment suddenly the Allen Edmund is on the other foot. Thanks OP.
#27, stop making sense. Seems many abused wives here are still in denial and enabling their pathetic husbands to sleep in with another hangover while they phone his boss making excuses while holding an ice pack over their black eye once again. You know, he pays the bills and what would they do - how would they survive - without him?
Awww...Im afraid I tweaked someones nose. I sowwy. I didnt realize you were the expert on conservativism or how to write to make a point about a topic. Why dont you wag your little finger at me again and see what happens? I should just roll over and submit shouldnt I?
It has become patently obvious who likes to go around telling people how to vote or define conservativism. Rove must love you!!
Not to quibble over writing conventions #37, but I think that should be an upper case T, as in the name given to Rove by his own pal, George Bush. Almost forgot about that moniker. Good choice, Mr. Bush.
There is no question that Rove will see any Opposition Research leaked during a primary campaign. Somehow some of the most erroneous got used against conservative candidates when Rove was supporting an establishment Republican. In fact in the presidential primaries, only Romney was spared these opposition research type attacks.
Any self-respecting paranoid would immediately come to the conclusion that Rove is a Democrat mole.
The rest of us (ahem!) can, after reading Jeffrey Lord´s article, understand perhaps why even GWB called Rove "T*** Blossom." (The Website´s Personal Daintiness Police won´t let me type what our previous President called him.) We can also wish for Rove´s permanent retirement from politics, not so much due to his political beliefs, or rather, complete lack of them, but because of his relentless backstabbing of people on his own team.
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pete moss, 2/13/2013 10:28:49 AM (No. 9173975)
O´Donnell seemed to be a bit of a nut case to me. Maybe that was just the way she was painted by the establishment, I don´t know. However, Mike Castle is/was a RINO. Which is worse? I´ll take the conservative, thank you.
From 2002 - 2010, the House, Senate and White House were all Republican. Part of that time, as I recall, the Republicans had a 60 seat majority in the Senate. What good did "the numbers" do? Why weren´t the tax cuts made permanent then? Why wasn´t there entitlement reform? Why wasn´t wasteful government spending cut? Republican majorities are not enough. We need candidates who will run on conservative principles and stick to them. That said, there is no point in demonizing Rove publicly. Is he really that powerful? Surely, a conservative PAC can defend against him by supporting conservative candidates.
Uh, no, #44. In 2010, the White House and senate were in Democratic hands. The house had been in Democratic hands since 2007.
Since when has Christine O´Donnell become the new heroine of the conservative cause? Sarah Palin refused to appear at a rally in Indiana in the summer of 2011 when she found out that O´Donnell was to be a speaker. The rally organizers had to disinvite O´Donnell twice. And everybody here hated O´Donnell.
Bottom line Rove was right above posters wrong. It´s easy for writers and radio hosts like Levin to scream and spit into the microphone how impure people like Rove are, and how anyone we disagree with is a useless rino. An operator like Rove has to show results he has to win, anyone running campaigns has to be pragmatic. As far as the candidates Rove gave money to who lost, Rove was not involve in the primary process. Could you imagine the posts if Rove didn´t fund those losing candidates, he would have been blamed for all the losses.
So Ailes fires little Dick Morris but keeps Geraldope, the drunk Beckel, nitwit Juan Williams and the "architect" Karl Rove. Methinks there should have been five firings instead of just one. Rove in general just rubs me the wrong way with his know it all smarminess. That blockhead Hannity does himself no favors by having this jerk on his TV and radio shows. RINOs like him need to be hunted down and flushed out of the party. Because if it doesn´t happen we will never win another presidential election.
What about Todd Akin? In the midst of a campaign for one of the 100 seats in the US Senate he exposes himself as a fool, unnecessarily spouting off over some moronic theory that rapes don´t lead to pregnancy. Then, despite pleas from all sides that he step aside, he marches boldly into the firing squad, collapsing in catastrophic failure. Have we no need to police our own?
Yes, the dems support their morons, but unlike the Republican Party, the dem party is thick with low-information welfare voters like those who re-elected Jesse Jackson, Jr. while he sat in the Mayo Clinic mental ward sucking his thumb.
And I am so, so glad that Karl Rove is being exposed and skewered by those who know him for what he is - a Rockefeller feel good make nice Republican establishment mouthpiece. I don´t understand how Texans can claim him. I mean, George Bush is a nice guy and I like him in spite of wishing he had done some things differently. But Rove - what is there to like?
I will continues to vote for the candidate who I agree with on the issues. I don´t need anyone to tell me who to vote for. Others who feel as I do will ignore those like Rove who feel a need to control voters.
Lotta heat, little light but very healthy and long overdue. The GOP was born of an enduring principle. What principle(s) does it stand for today? Er....hmmmmm; and that´s what all this sturm und drang is about. A clear majority believe principles are defining while others believe bromides like ´we gotta win´ will carry the day. Sadly, the current R Est is not only unprincipled, its also a loser; a twofer!
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