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DHS Ammo Purchases: Gun
Control by Another Name?

Breitbart´s Big Government, by AWR Hawkins

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Posted By:KarenJ1, 2/10/2013 8:29:45 PM

According to reports, the Department of Homeland Security has stockpiled over 1.6 billion rounds of ammo for its various agencies, and one of the worst side effects of this appears to be a shortage of ammo for private gun owners. The question is--what if the shortage is intentional? Bear with me here. I am not a "conspiracy theorist" nor do I believe that DHS is stockpiling bullets in order to wage war on Americans, as some commentators have suggested. However, I do believe they know these massive ammo purchases are driving supply

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When I read articles like this I can´t help but think of the chilling article posted the other day from Canada Free Press. This isn´t the country I used to know. It´s getting to the point where sometimes I wonder if I would be better off not being so well informed in knowing about things like this. It´s certainly not good for your peace of mind.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: stencil, 2/10/2013 8:35:15 PM     (No. 9169335)

Since about the third time I heard of these buys, it occurred to me that they were restricting the supply.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: vesicant, 2/10/2013 8:38:48 PM     (No. 9169338)

Gun forums noticed this weeks ago. I thought about the gun control possibility back then, but .40 and 9mm are handgun rounds. If non-DOD departments were buying .223 (the "evil assault weapon" ammo), then we should really worry. Although I suppose it could be a ploy to shift production away from .223. Or, they know the government is about to go after ammo makers in some way.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: BaseballFan, 2/10/2013 8:39:13 PM     (No. 9169341)

The answer(s) can be found in a book called:

"They Fired the First Shot"

Can´t recommend it enough.

There are no devils left in hell. They are here.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Pam, 2/10/2013 8:50:03 PM     (No. 9169358)

Like anything big government does, the inventory will shrink over time and guarantee the ´misplaced´ ammo won´t go to the good guys.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: cjjeepercreeper, 2/10/2013 8:50:34 PM     (No. 9169360)

My sons and I both noticed this several days ago. We are having a heck of a time getting ammo for our 9mm´s and .40 cals. Both calibers are what the gov is buying up, and they are the 2 most popular handgun calibers. IT IS gun control, you know it, I know it.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: trappedinmn, 2/10/2013 9:13:34 PM     (No. 9169381)

Probably trying to dry up the supply until they get all those strict laws passed- then it won´t matter. Who is going to buy a gun if they can´t get ammo? Also, the ammo won´t be there when the government makes it´s move after the collapse.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: chicodon, 2/10/2013 9:23:04 PM     (No. 9169392)

Let´s use logic. Confiscate millions of weapons or regulate and control ammo purchases? The answer is obvious. The feds can do the latter with a stroke of the pen. The upside (for them) are no 2nd Amendment entanglements.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: CleanhouseinDc, 2/10/2013 9:24:23 PM     (No. 9169394)

It´s not like the repubs are shutting down their funding.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Vivi, 2/10/2013 9:28:28 PM     (No. 9169400)

Ummmm... how foes DHS have the funds in their budget to do this? The House needs to investigate this ptonto for many reasons. Calling my guy tomorrow. DHS doesn´t need and can´t afford this ammunition. Enough.

The Senate should investigate this is well, but if there´s a more useless layabout won´t -even -write -a -budget pointless ridiculous legislative body on the planet I´d like to know where.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: nashville, 2/10/2013 9:50:29 PM     (No. 9169418)

I think this would be pointless as a way to keep ammo out of our hands. The ammo guys are still going to make it and I don´t think the government could buy 5 billion rounds per year, after year...

Ammo is very hard to find in stores right now, but a little computer time and you will find it online (buklammo.com etc...) I´ve bought some 40SW in the last week from two of them, with shipping came to about $0.45 per round. That is about .10 more per round than a year ago. I now don´t have to worry about going to the range twice a month for the next year and putting a dent in my ´stock´.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: mustang flyer, 2/10/2013 11:03:40 PM     (No. 9169468)

I contacted my Congressman Ralph Hall and Senator John Cornyn (Texas) with the 1.6 BILLION round purchase...their answer´s so far is that the figures are "exaggerated"...so I asked if that is so then what are the right figures..."less than 300,000" is what I´m being told... now, has my Government lied to me before??? Now where do you suppose the bullets have gone to???

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Crosscut, 2/10/2013 11:56:32 PM     (No. 9169504)

The DHS is not a friend or protector of American citizens. Quite the opposite. It has been greatly subverted from it´s original mission to guard the nation from Islamic attacks. Now it appears to be being honed into a paramilitary force. Prepared to be used against any group or anyone who rebels against the current administration´s agenda. It is still in it´s early stages of formation and can be stopped. Let´s pray that it is.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Mickturn, 2/11/2013 12:17:18 AM     (No. 9169515)

Ammo makers just need to tell DHS that purchases over a fixed amount per year will not be allowed!

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Reply 14 - Posted by: geoman, 2/11/2013 12:22:29 AM     (No. 9169520)

With the rash of .40 and 9mm orders by the government, the manufacturers may understandably be unwilling to invest in physical plant and new employees to open new production lines. Government purchases of this magnitude are an anomaly and not indicative of the market, thus not sustainable over time from a manufacturing perspecitve. Some manufacturers also appear to be producing less .380, .38 special, .45 auto, and .357 rounds at the same time the citizenry´s demand across the board for any caliber of ammo has skyrocketed. Government intervention has tightened the supply such that the majority of ammo available for purchase has gone up in price, often in orders of magnitude with the net effect of "taxing" those who can still find readily available supplies. OMB has rules regarding this type of government acquisition relative to its market impact. A heavy political hand is behind this procurement ploy that reeks of abuse of the public treasury for surreptitious policy making purposes.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Safari Man, 2/11/2013 1:46:24 AM     (No. 9169538)

I wonder if someone made/sold a weapon based on laser technology if the government could prevent its distribution. It would be very difficult to limit the supply of photons. Its just a thought, but I am getting the sense we need to outsmart them.


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Reply 16 - Posted by: Trigger2, 2/11/2013 4:06:30 AM     (No. 9169571)

Restrict supply only? Then why all those FEMA camps? Why are the military practicing maneuvers in cities? Why is military equipment being embedded in state and local police departments?

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Spidey, 2/11/2013 4:42:38 AM     (No. 9169578)

I know this sounds crazy right now but keep an eye out for Obama dismissing troops that aren´t willing to fire on American citizens.The person who leaked this info is a well respected world humanitarian and not the left wing phony variety.

I don´t know wy the ammo makers are giving government orders a priority or at least rationing what they can produce so everybody gets a "fir shot" at renewing their supply.

FEMA is part of homeland security. They didn´t have the funds to respond to Sandy but they have plenty of money to buy ammo to use on their own citizens?
We have the military to protect us from foreign invaders so why does HS need millions of bullets?

Obama openly bragged about creating and funding a domestic army.He´s also said blacks and latinos are the future workforce in this country,put 2 and 2 together.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: drkillj0y, 2/11/2013 3:43:35 PM     (No. 9170630)

The last round of bid request doesn´t make any sense to me.

It´s filed under "Ammunition, over 30mm up to 75mm" and "Ammunition (except Small Arms) Manufacturing".

What ?

It´s asking for
Pistol Cartridge .40 caliber 165 Grain, jacketed Hollow point(Jhp) p/n P40HSTS3G OR EQUAL. BRASS CASING 100,000 ROUNDS PRICE PER 1000 ROUNDS WILL INCLUDE DELIVERY. QTY-100, UNIT-MX

9MM 115 GRAIN JACKETED HOLLOW POINT P/N 9BP-115 GRAIN JHP OR EQUAL BRASS CASING 100,000 ROUNDS PRICE PER 1000 ROUNDS WILL INCLUDE DELIVERY. QTY-100, UNIT-MX

PISTOL CARTIDGE 9MM BALL 124 GRAIN P/N AE9AP OR EQUAL BRASS CASING 40,000 ROUNDS PRICE PER 1000 ROUNDS WILL INCLUDE DELIVEY. QTY-40, UNIT-MX


As far as I can tell, they are looking for 240,000 rounds of pistol ammo - not 21 million.

Maybe someone who has a FedBid decoder ring can read the bid request for us.

https://marketplace.fedbid.com/fbweb/fbobuyDetails.do?token===wBKxmaVGYR9Kcq5Ajq%2BRH6QAAAAAHeAAgAgTFCGg/FzzqQbJAAyVXBA0Or



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Reply 19 - Posted by: vesicant, 2/14/2013 7:44:11 PM     (No. 9177035)

Thanks for the link, #18. It´s a request for vendors to quote on a commercial (readily available, not needing any R&D) item using simplified procedures. It´s a 100% set-aside for small businesses, which means the expected price is between $3K and $100K (or maybe $250K). A small business typically has less than 500 employees and $5 million in revenue (meaning companies like Winchester and Remington probably aren´t elegible). The quantity is for 100,000 rounds of .40 JHP, 100,000 rounds of 9mm JHP, and 40,000 rounds of 9mm ball. All of this isn´t being purchased at once; the government intends to issue periodic purchase orders for smaller increments until the 100K or 40K base is exhausted. The "MX" units means 1000, so if the QTY is 100, that´s 100,000. So, 240K is the correct total. Somebody probably multiplied the QTY in column 22 by the schedule in column 20, but that´s wrong. Of course, there could be other RFQs out there.

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