On his Monday program, syndicated conservative talker Mark Levin was irate at the news that former Bush administration deputy chief of staff Karl Rove is launching a political action committee to help electable Republicans win primaries. “I just love the way these crony capitalist Republicans — these big government Republicans, these establishment Republicans — I love the way they invoke William Buckley,” Levin said. “They invoke Ronald Reagan. Sometimes they like Obama; they invoke the Founding Fathers. And to what ends? To trash us? See, we can’t win, but the problem is we do win. Yeah, we have our losses
Comments: This GOP civil war stuff sounds like serious stuff, but I imagine in the end, the tea party will prevail because that´s your grassroots, not the establishment.
History had already shown that a Republican Party that is seen to be the Democrat lite party is not going to win national elections in the future. If the Republicans really want to win they have to try something else.
Rove says the tea party candidates can´t be elected. He is correct. Because these candidates not only have to fight the Democrats, they have to fight the party establishment. The candidates won the primaries and expect the support of the Republican Party, but they got trashed by the likes of Rove and company instead.
I think Rove is the main reason republicans are in the hell hole we´re in now.First of all right after Bush won his second term,his main goal was privatizing SS.Even if you agree with some faction of it,it´s a big electoral loser because seniors don´t want to hear about any threats to the status quo.
Privatizing medicare was a loser in this past election also.First you get elected,then sell your program.We hate it but Ryan pushing an old lady off the cliff,worked.
Privatizing SS could have driven seniors to the dems in 06.Obviously the Iraq war was a factor also with Pelosi promising to defund it.In order to get war funding,Bush had to go along with the minimum wage increase,which has led to terrible youth unemployment.
I also think Rove was the mastermind behind Bush´s immigration push which led to a huge backlash among republicans and sent Bush´s approval to the low 30´s.Rove saw the latino vote as necessary to win future elections,just like the establishment is doing now.
The republicans shot themselves in the foot on this because it led to the belief there´s no difference between the parties..McCain didn´t learn a damn thing from the backlash and pushed immigration in his election..Meanwhile Soros,LaRaza and other groups were planting illegals all over the country where they could vote un noticed.
Rove needs to realize there aren´t enough establishment republican voters to win elections. The gop has to have tea party voters to win. This was obvious in 2010 but not to Rove today.
Levin is right as always. He was there over 30 years ago and making history...but none of today´s establishment "stars" never did. Rove, you have a few valid points, but I don´t trust you as far as I can throw your fat butt. The GOP needs to work WITH the VARIOUS TEA parties to ensure we get the best candidates who want to represent the people--not their crony friends and their own personal self-interests. The establishment GOP will never win if they try to tear down all the TEA party groups. They might as well just become Democrats if they continue destroying the party. The TEA parties need to stick to their original principles and stop pushing losing social issues. Wait until you win and help us restore the Constitution, shrink big government and bring back our rights, freedoms, and privacy...after that, then talk about social issues -- just make sure you don´t start advocating more government intrusion into our lives again.
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lil dotty, 2/5/2013 3:40:24 AM (No. 9159012)
Mark, Rove is no queen until he is CROWNED. Being an American before a Republican, Rove can be truthfully told to go suck a lemon. I vote Republican only because I´ll never vote for a d´rat. If old Queen Karl wants this vote, he will find it necessary to learn a little flexibility and humility re the Tea Party. Let´s work together.....
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god of irony, 2/5/2013 4:19:03 AM (No. 9159027)
#3 maybe Levin wouldn´t be such an easy target if other Republicans would fight for conservatism with the passion he does. But instead it is more important for a whole lot of Republicans to not make waves. I´ll Levin you keep your blue bloods.
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Grant Hodges, 2/5/2013 4:27:53 AM (No. 9159032)
The refutation to Rove is found in two words: Mitt Romney. Romney was the establishment candidate. He was a middle of the road, not a conservative. He was Rove´s dream candidate, and when he played safe in the debates, calculated instead of convinced, he lost. Stinky lied right to Romney´s face numerous times in the debates (e.g., "Planned Parenthood does mammograms", just for the most obvious gratuitous lie told by Stinky just to dare Romney to say anything back.)and Romney let it go. Romney also lost. Rove acts like Romney was a Tea Party candidate. Really?
I think you are wrong Reply 6. I am a very senior senior and I was for private accounts and the changing of Social Security. I think the seniors who were in thrall to the policies of Franklin Delano Roosevelt are all dead. I think if Bush had persevered and tried to rally people behind him he would have succeeded. He and his people were too timid to put it to the test. That seniors would stand in the way is a canard. We are not so stupid and selfish as you think.
We have seen what happens when we do it Rove´s way--John McCain and Mitt Romney.
Both failed campaigns were the result of running away from conservatism by running counter to the base of the party by targeting the fiscal and social conservatives to be forced to sit on the sidelines rather than include them in the "big tent".
Those people did not come out to vote for Romney, so we lost. It was foolish to think they could count on those whom they ignore and put down to vote for them like they were always in their back pocket. Rove is all about this..
I think once we have a party that demonstrably shows its intentions to overthrow the Elite Establishment that has plagued Washington and We the People for the last hundred years, the only thing that will keep the Elites in office will be massive fraud.
I have never heard anyone, who wasn´t hired to do so, praise the Government Elite.
The way I see it, The GOP has basically two choices in today´s world: (1) Fall in line behind Uncle Karl and his merry band of "fat cat" associates or (2) Follow the lead of America´s present-day voice "crying in the wilderness," Professor Levin.
Personally, I´ll take the political wisdom of our nation´s current Jewish Prophet and Constitutional Scholar any day of the week.
Name one person Rove has helped win an election...he´s making millions $$$ spinning his wheels....
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Bad Dog, 2/5/2013 8:54:03 AM (No. 9159328)
Yeah, count me in with the ´I´m sick of Karl Rove´ crowd.
Here´s a klue, Karl: What brought me to George W. in the first place in 2000, was that he called himself a compassionate conservative, with CONSERVATIVE being the operative word! If that was your idea, Karl, listen up! Democrat-Lite is NOT electable, except by other Democrat LoFo´s maybe, MAYBE. And then what do we have? DEMOCRAT-Lite!
The so-called center has moved way Left in the decades since Ronald Reagan brought it to life. Conservatism works, for anybody who pays attention to it. If we have to speak Spanish to articulate the principles of conservatism, well then Mark Levin´s book, Liberty and Tyranny, written in the year PRIOR to the 2008 elections, has just been published and released in Spanish.
If bringing in the Latinos is that big a deal, and maybe it is, then get several copies of this book and toss them into the Latino communities! Amazon has it for ten bucks.
Karl, you´re done. Your new PAC, Conservative Victory Fund, has a classic propaganda name. We aren´t fooled.
#15 makes the central point. Let´s see if I understand the problem: 1. We have a vulnerable liberal-Democrat incumbent and a must-win election. 2. A group of highly-mobilized supporters push their candidate through to the nomination by one-sided attacks on primary rivals, thereby alienating fellow Republicans and turning off possible supporters. 3. The highly-mobilized supporters adhere to their candidate despite multiple gaffes and increasing evidence he cannot win. 4. He doesn´t win. 5. The liberal-Democrat is re-elected, and we all lose.
Did I miss anything? Welcome to Romney 2012.
The Rovers who lecture us and claim it´s all about picking winners picked Romney, and he lost. It´s not about winning; it´s about control. They have it, and they want to keep it. They are hypocrites who think they know best and repeatedly do their worst. Our country can´t stand much more of it, and I will not stand for it.
a lot of the problem is hannity who pushes karl on his shows all the time. hannity seems to be a shill for the government just for conservatives to blow off steam, but nothing is ever accomplished. and Karl keeps pushing left of center people as conservatives, he is an architect alright, but one for socialism.
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