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Bipartisan immigration plan
faces deep skepticism

Washington Examiner, by Byron York

Original Article

Posted By:Drive, 1/29/2013 7:26:30 AM

"On day one of our bill, the people without status who are not criminals or security risks will be able to live and work here legally."With those words, Democratic Sen. Charles Schumer, who moments earlier had heaped effusive praise on Republican colleagues standing with him in the Senate press room, made it infinitely more difficult for many GOP lawmakers to sign on to the bipartisan immigration proposal put forward by the so-called Gang of Eight

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: provide, 1/29/2013 7:35:22 AM     (No. 9145724)

The borders will be now "under funded" to cripple efforts to stem the tide. Just like the budget agreement, taxes first, forget the rest. Visas should come with ankle bracelets.


Reply 2 - Posted by: Rotten In Denmark, 1/29/2013 7:37:51 AM     (No. 9145727)

Would someone, anyone ask one (1) simple question, please? Ask the wise solons "WHY". Why do we need more mouths to feed from our larders? Why must we share our scarce resources with them? Do we get ANYTHING of true value in return? We cannot take care of ourselves let alone tens of millions more of needful folks.


   

 

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Spidey, 1/29/2013 7:43:10 AM     (No. 9145734)

Obama will load his plan with poison pills so the GOP will reject it and then he´ll use exe. powers. One of the main stumbling blocks right out of the gate is verifying that the border is sealed. Obama doesn´t want that nor does he want anybody deported regardless if they have been already and are hanging around.

Obama doesn´t want along dragged out process for people to become citizens which I believe the senate plan calls for.

No matter how many laws you pass,obama has to enforce them and he´s more likely than not to ignore them.


Reply 4 - Posted by: Pearson365, 1/29/2013 7:45:40 AM     (No. 9145741)

What Democrat Sen Charles Schumer actually meant was: "On day one of our bill, the people without status who are not criminals or security risks will be able to live, work and vote here legally." The voting part was missing from his initial statement.

Why do these 8 pompous, TV seeking senators care so much about illegals? There are over 300 million citizens in this country yet the 11 million+ illegals get all the attention. Why?


Reply 5 - Posted by: ronbet, 1/29/2013 7:47:27 AM     (No. 9145749)

#2, the answer is the "wise solons" will do anything for votes to retain power. Bet you already knew the answer.


Reply 6 - Posted by: planetgeo, 1/29/2013 7:56:59 AM     (No. 9145769)

It´s incredible that the Republicans are willingly walking right into this trap. Once this is approved, the Democrats won´t even have to cheat to win every future election. They will have permanently added 11 million votes to the D column. If you want to see what America will look like then, take a look at California. We have been invaded and overwhelmed in our schools, hospitals, legal system, and way of life. Our taxes are off the charts. Those of us who work have become tax slaves to pay for all the free services the invasion force is now voting for themselves.

Those Republicans who believe that voting for this bill will result in winning the votes of these illegal immigrants are complete fools.


Reply 7 - Posted by: Gretchen123, 1/29/2013 8:07:30 AM     (No. 9145785)

The president ignored the Simpson-Bowles commission when it comes to fiscal reform. Now we get another commission to tell us if the border is really secure?

How about those on the path to citizenship NEVER get a chance to vote? Sorry, but the Dems want the votes, that´s all this is about. Let´s see if they would pass a bill that says even if they become legal, they can´t vote. I´ll bet that wouldn´t fly.


   

 

  


 
Reply 8 - Posted by: Felixcat, 1/29/2013 8:26:17 AM     (No. 9145817)

Exactly #2 - Why? Why are some so eager to legalize millions of third world peasants illiterate in their native tongue who will only vote Democrat? Are people in this country so lazy they can´t mow their own lawns, clean their own houses, etc?

As for Sen. Rubio - shooting star.


Reply 9 - Posted by: Periwinkel, 1/29/2013 8:32:00 AM     (No. 9145839)

This comprehensive immigration reform package has way too many moving parts. First they must do this, then they must do this, and then they must complete this and finally go to the back of the line all the while learning to speak English. Then we will get around to closing the border in a year or two.

Too, too complicated——like so many things designed, written and passed by modern congresses.

And, last but not least, Chucky-Babes is a liberal, Democrat snake!


Reply 10 - Posted by: iamtinman, 1/29/2013 8:32:22 AM     (No. 9145841)

Why shouldn´t we be skeptical? This "plan" sounds exactly like all the previous plans, none of which worked except for the additional democrat voters. The big winners will be american businesses who can hire foreign professionals with HB1 visas for far less money than american citizens would demand. It´s another taxpayer ripoff.


Reply 11 - Posted by: antiquegolf, 1/29/2013 8:35:22 AM     (No. 9145852)

GOP is no better than dims. They are members of the ruling class elite. GOP is also stupid because
mexicans, especially the newest waves of them, are an entitlement class. They want free stuff and are a secure democrat voting block. Assimilation is a myth. They are mexicans who operate somewhere between no loyalty to USA and resentment of it. Therefore, amnesty won´t garner even one hispanic Republican voter. An amnesty agreement actually represents a net loss to Republicans because guys like me will reregister in protest as independents or libertarians.


Reply 12 - Posted by: Rinktum, 1/29/2013 8:49:36 AM     (No. 9145895)

Obama is always talking about the collective...well. It is time to put our collective foot down and say NO to this comprehensive legislation. We are not chumps and we understand exactly what this legislation means. It is amnesty. It is time to make our voices heard. Close the border FIRST and then we will have the conversation you so desperately want to have regarding the illegals that are presently residing here. Your motives are clearly self-serving and you do not have the best interests of this country in mind. You are pushing law abiding citizens to the breaking point with the talk of gun control and now amnesty. The American people by a large majority want the border secured first and not just a promise. The country will not collapse if we close the border first. This comprehensive crisis legislation must stop.


   

 

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Reply 13 - Posted by: nonsense, 1/29/2013 8:51:43 AM     (No. 9145901)

This is for George Soros, he has always pushed Open Borders, Open Society, etc.. Funny, the more we get of his agenda, the less free we are.


Reply 14 - Posted by: dittohead, 1/29/2013 8:56:23 AM     (No. 9145920)

Do you really think it´s only 11 million? Probably at least double that number.

And, Obama has proven he will not follow the law regardless of what the law is - he will rule by fiat and we can all sit at our laptops and complain.


Reply 15 - Posted by: mickturn, 1/29/2013 8:56:47 AM     (No. 9145921)

Let´s see, put together by Dims and Rino´s, what could possibly go wrong?


Reply 16 - Posted by: Rama41, 1/29/2013 8:57:57 AM     (No. 9145927)

When Obama reveals his own plan today, it will completely undercut the "bipartisan" plan. Democrats don´t want legislation; they´d rather have the issue. Just like minimum wage, where an inflation kicker would eliminate the issue, democrats much prefer a gift that keeps on giving.


Reply 17 - Posted by: texaseducator, 1/29/2013 9:03:57 AM     (No. 9145948)

My family came to this country in 1719, we have been here a long time, yet I have more in common culturally, morally and my work ethic with the illegals crossing our southern border for work than I do with the urban populations on the East or West coasts or even Chicago. I have been a conservative, Republican most of the time, all my life (65 years) but on this issue I agree with what these Senators have proposed. BUT immigration reform must be tied to border security or it won´t work.


   

 

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Bad Dog, 1/29/2013 9:08:19 AM     (No. 9145966)

I have an idea on this....

Why don´t we just invite them ALL here.....? Let them come in freely and vote like they want. Keep the Democrats in power forever, and the free stuff flowing.

Eventually they´ll run out of money and maybe figure it out.

In the meantime, the rest of us can expatriate to Mexico and get that place straightened out. They´ll be begging to come back, but we can have a nice constitutional republic set up by then, with strict border enforcement.

Dibs on Baja.


Reply 19 - Posted by: QRP, 1/29/2013 9:10:10 AM     (No. 9145975)

First off, its not 11 million, more like 13 million and thats before friends and family. Grand total - maybe 30 million.
Second, what happens if we throw 8 million blue color workers willing to work for minimum wage in the labor force. Think your union will protect you - think again. The union shops will not be able to compete with non-union minimum wage shops. Think you are safe in government service, don´t bet on it. I am sure the new immigrants will be given EEO special status.


Reply 20 - Posted by: PoliticalJunky, 1/29/2013 9:23:36 AM     (No. 9146023)

The Republican aide quoted says why the GOP tried to find a way to be able to vote for this bill when he said "our side wants Rubio to be successful". The Democrats have made this impossible and the Republicans recognize that fact.


Reply 21 - Posted by: antiquegolf, 1/29/2013 9:32:11 AM     (No. 9146042)

Re: reply 17.

Many of the illegals who cross the southern border settle in urban centers on the east and west coasts, plus Atlanta, Chicago, Denver, Omaha, and so on. They may have come here for work but they also come to USA to connect to the social services lifeline. They also bring their 3rd world culture which for many of them includes resentment of this country. Here is my anecdotal experience: I work in a high school in metro Denver with 78 percent hispanic student body. I estimate 80 percent of them obtain at least one form of social services. We had a mock election. Romney received 8 percent. I doubt you share much in common with the latest waves of mexican "immigrants."


Reply 22 - Posted by: Starlady, 1/29/2013 9:43:13 AM     (No. 9146074)

John McCain´s statement stood out for me in this article. He said, "in 2007 the plan was to enforce the border first with that Immigration proposal as well, but the American people didn´t trust the government to follow through with that promise, no matter how many times he, John McCain, said the government would. The trust was just not there."(paraphrased)
Guess what Senator McCain, if the trust wasn´t there in 2007, it is even less there in 2013. I don´t think the trust level could get any lower than it is today.



   

 



 
Reply 23 - Posted by: stymie82, 1/29/2013 9:43:14 AM     (No. 9146075)

Millions of patriotic Americans stopped the baloney in the summer of 2006 when McCain and W were pushing it. We melted switchboards and made the clowns back off. We have been beaten down for six plus years and no longer have the will to fight. The nation´s collapse is coming on ever faster and the GOP is complicit. Is Marco Rubio so stupid that he really thinks conspiring behind closed doors with the likes of McShame and Chuckie Schumer is in this country´s interest?


Reply 24 - Posted by: arcady, 1/29/2013 9:44:37 AM     (No. 9146077)

So the people that broke the law get to stay here legally, while the ones who have gotten on the legal citizenship path don´t get legalized? That makes no sense at all, and expect more illegals! Rewarding any behavior only encourages more of it, including illegal ones. We´ve learned and seen that already with Reagan´s amnesty. The borders aren´t any more secure than they were with Reagan and that´s why we´re in this situation. Lather, rinse, repeat. The politicians are selling the rest of the country out for their 30 pieces of silver. They don´t have to live with the consequences. Our family came from legal immigrants, through Ellis island, as most immigrant families of my generation did. There is a process, there are rules. Those who didn´t play by the rules shouldn´t be rewarded for their behavior. This conflation of the legal and illegal immigrant by the leftists proves the vapidity of their arguments. They have to obfuscate because their argument for legalizing the illegal immigrants can´t stand alone on merit. You wouldn´t reward the thief discovered in your house, inviting them to move in and live with you. Why do the same with those who have come here illegally? That´s nuts.


Reply 25 - Posted by: Udanja99, 1/29/2013 9:55:43 AM     (No. 9146113)

Lets not forget that there are lots of middle eastern men, posing as Mexicans, who are also flooding across that border. Al Quada, the Taliban, Hamas, Hezbollah - take your pick.

In November I drove from San Diego to the Grand Canyon and part of the trip took me right along the border. You can see the fences from the interstate. In Arizona, which is supposed to be tough on illegal immigrants, the US Border Control checkpoints along the highway were mostly sporting signs that said CLOSED. Secure the borders? Dream on.


Reply 26 - Posted by: M2, 1/29/2013 9:55:54 AM     (No. 9146114)

"So people who came illegally yesterday, or next week, won´t qualify. They will have to leave the country."

...like the millions who already don´t qualify and who will never be found in order to be politely asked to leave the country?

How the heck does anyone think that illegals are going to voluntarily show themselves as illegals so they can "go to the back of the line" (right, like so many already did)? It´s already easy to get welfare for an illegal on day one he´s here, so what is the enforcement mechanism by which they will be found and shipped back to their country of origin?

Don´t try blowing that same old smoke up my keister, please.


Reply 27 - Posted by: MattMusson, 1/29/2013 10:23:36 AM     (No. 9146201)

This will bankrupt Social Security and Medicaid.


Reply 28 - Posted by: jasmine, 1/29/2013 10:32:37 AM     (No. 9146216)

Every illegal has a nation of origin.

For each illegal who gets a free pass for breaking our laws, their country of origin should see the quota we admit legally drop by one. No more adding legal immigrants on top of illegal ones.


Illegals seeking citizenship should not be given the luxury of dual citizenship, either. One or the other.


Reply 29 - Posted by: Philipsonh, 1/29/2013 10:32:52 AM     (No. 9146217)

Simple question. Why will it be easier and quicker for an ILLEGAL "immigrant" to attain U.S. citizenship than a LEGAL immigrant, who has been in line for years waiting for the opportunity. Simple answer, The Democratic party wants to have a larger base as quickly as possible. Who in their right mind thinks it is more humane to grant an individual who BROKE OUR LAWS U.S. citizenship than to an individual who OBEYED OUR LAWS and is now being discriminated against because of our Government. This is BLATANT Government bias.
Every single person on the current immigration list should be placed in line AHEAD of the people who snuck into this Country. We already have immigration laws, but they are NOT being followed.


Reply 30 - Posted by: nevernaught, 1/29/2013 10:54:45 AM     (No. 9146265)

The eleven million are just the ones bankrupting California. Anyone in congress who votes for this travesty needs to be recalled. If this passes the House, I will never vote GOP again and that includes everyone I know. John McCain is an idiot. What is the matter with you people in Arizona. He put on a Border Patrol jacket, looked at a fence and you fell for his BS one more time. You had a chance to dump him in the Primaries. The next thing you know he will pushing anti gun laws.


Reply 31 - Posted by: chicodon, 1/29/2013 11:04:26 AM     (No. 9146281)

I still say that whoever is responsible for allowing 11 million (at least) illegals into this country should be tarred and feathered. Republican or Democrat. There should have been a temporary worker program. They sold out the country for their own selfish interests. Guess what? They´re still doing it.


Reply 32 - Posted by: bighambone, 1/29/2013 11:08:10 AM     (No. 9146298)

Do you really believe that Obama and the liberal Democrats would be pushing so hard for a streamlined process for 11 to 20 million illegal aliens to be given US citizenship and US voting rights as soon as possible, if they ever had reason to believe that more then a small percentage of the current illegal alien population they would legalize would ever have an epifinany and vote for conservative Republicans? Right now it appears that only some politicians of the Stupid Party would believe that Hispanics would flock to the Stupid Party after the illegal alien population is granted amnesty and that is not going to happen.

The vast majority of illegal aliens are poor people, who are generally uneducated, earn low wages, and have come here from socialist oriented countries. In order to survive here in high cost of living America, they are going to need access to all the social welfare benefits and programs, including Obama Care, that make up the US social safety network. Those people are going to vote for the liberal Democrats who want to expand those social programs and not the Republican (Stupid) Party that wants to contract those social programs.

Once the legalized alien population is granted US voting rights, the liberal Democrats will set up massive registration drives in immigrant communities to register as many of those people as possible as Democrat voters. With that many new voters, the Democrats will easily be able to flip States like Florida, Arizona and even Texas to where they resemble present day California politically. All that amounts to political suicide for the Stupid Party!


Reply 33 - Posted by: King of all trolls, 1/29/2013 11:13:06 AM     (No. 9146309)

Broke immigration law? Broke customs law? Falsified official US documents? Broke labor laws ? Broke tax laws? Committed perjury? WELCOME TO AMERICA!! Nevermind that the GOP has never mustered more than about 30% of the Latino vote (even after the first amnesty) and never mind that 11 million is a lowball figure. Wonder why my Congresscritter has a jammed phone line today???


Reply 34 - Posted by: Butch59, 1/29/2013 11:18:01 AM     (No. 9146323)

It´s a fact that the overwhelming majority of illegals in this country come from Mexico. I know, not all of them, just the majority. And ask yourself why do they come here? Well, Mexico is a country that has a totaly corrupt government, corrutp military, and corrupt police force. And it´s a pay to play system there. Bribery is rampant all up and down the line. So, there are a lot of Meicans that have heard about all the freebies available in the U.S. and how easy it is to sneak across the border, and ´volia´, here they come. And they bring their solicalist beliefs with them. And some of the even want California and Arizona to be returned to Mexico! Talk about stupid. So we, true Americans, are supposed to pay the tab for these people by pay ever and ever higher taxes. Yeah. That sounds about right./s

I think we should have a Constitutional Amendment that allows only native born Americans the right to vote.


Reply 35 - Posted by: mainecoonmama, 1/29/2013 11:28:19 AM     (No. 9146351)

The Republican party thinks this action will "save" the party and that the hispanic vote will turn conservative. Wrong! Most, if not all, Hispanics will still vote for whatever party gives them the most just like the blacks do now. We(conservatives) are done for in this country, especially with the population of white voters decreasing every year until they are the minorities. Time to sit back and watch your country crumble or move to where? I can´t name a country that´s any better.


Reply 36 - Posted by: Nevadadad46, 1/29/2013 12:04:45 PM     (No. 9146426)

Look, the Republicans under GW Bush had both houses of congress and the office of the President. yet, they failed miserably to do a single thing about immigration reform- not one that was effective and resolved the problem. They had a chance to strengthen the border and establish a green card system that would verify the person as a foreign entity not eligible to vote in our elections- they did nothing! Now we are faced with a terrible invasion that will get worse as the discussion of amnesty keeps getting tossed about. This is the result of a failed Republican party-

Think of this; if Mexicans were voting conservatively, the Dems would be throwing the U.S. Military at the border with orders to shoot to kill anyone attempting to cross over!


Reply 37 - Posted by: philly_patriot, 1/29/2013 12:06:34 PM     (No. 9146430)

QUESTION
Why reward uneducated aliens who come here illegally ................ and punish those in Europe, Asia, La America and Africa legally waiting in line in their home countries to immigrate to the US.? [many educated with skills we can use in this country]

ANSWER
Because ......... you may not be able to control how legal immigrants vote.


Reply 38 - Posted by: Grambo, 1/29/2013 1:02:26 PM     (No. 9146583)

Immigration “reform” is predicated on the idea that there is something wrong with the laws we have. What is wrong is not the laws, it’s the complete lack of enforcement and a porous border. Pat Buchanan has said before that a nation that can’t control its borders is not a sovereign nation, and he’s right. We went to war over Kuwait’s sovereign borders, but won’t defend our own. Tell the gang of 8, fix the border now, then we’ll talk.


Reply 39 - Posted by: King of all trolls, 1/29/2013 1:18:22 PM     (No. 9146616)

Listening to Rubio make a fool out of himself on Limbaugh´s show. Rubio claims he can convince all of our illegals that they should vote for him, errr the GOP, because they will be opening businesses, etc, want lower taxes. what a hoot. Stupid Party. Rubio keeps touting his agreement with Schumer and Durbin. Claims 70% of Americans support his plan. Rush seems to be buying it. This is a disaster.


Reply 40 - Posted by: OhMy, 1/29/2013 1:19:07 PM     (No. 9146619)

Obama is a lawless president so why pass any laws that depend on him? Obama prints money so why have any taxes. These amnesties for border security always give us the amnesty but never the border security. The border security promised several times before must be all achieved - not just promised - before anything else goes ahead. Undocumented immigrants have more privileges than documented citizens. Soon everyone will want to be undocumented! This playing field needs to be levelled as well.


Reply 41 - Posted by: johngalt1, 1/29/2013 1:29:46 PM     (No. 9146640)

Of course no one trusts Congress on this or any other issue, John. (““What I underestimated was the lack of trust and confidence in government," McCain said in November 2007.”)

If our borders were already secure, this debate wouldn’t sound like a broken record.

Find a single elected official willing stand up and commit political suicide by arguing that our borders shouldn’t be made secure. Border security should be the mother of all bipartisan issues. Instead, it’s being used as a bargaining chip by the same “progressives” who always promise budget cuts later if we raise taxes now, and then never, ever keep their word.

To paraphrase the Gipper, “Verify, then trust.”


Reply 42 - Posted by: Coy860, 1/29/2013 1:40:10 PM     (No. 9146663)

I want 20 million immigrants to come here from Poland and Ukraine, otherwise, the deal is off.


Reply 43 - Posted by: texaseducator, 1/29/2013 1:44:56 PM     (No. 9146681)

They are on social services because they do not get a fair wage because they are illegal! Conservatives want to keep them illegal so they have low wages but then prevent them from accessing basic services. Liberals like them because they can buy their loyalty by providing the services and telling them how bad their employers are, but they must be kept dependent for both groups. Thus the border must stay open for both sides to get what they want, cheap labor and cheap votes. It´s always about the money and power, never really the ´cover´ issue.


Reply 44 - Posted by: GreatPlains, 1/29/2013 2:22:29 PM     (No. 9146785)

This is just a proposal , it´s months
maybe even longer away from
resembling anything like a bill.
The legislative sausage making will take a long time.
Rubio has been very effective in explaining his principles on immigration reform
and they are solid and conservative.
Including border security , first.
When the final bill is crafted , if it´s amnesty , Rubio says he won´t support it.
Rubio says that 40 % of illegals are here on expired visas and have not come over the border.
And they are allowed to remain here on their expired visas because of lack of enforcement.
We already have de facto amnesty now.
At least this tries to control the border and the population.
"Individuals with probationary legal status
will be required to go to the back of the line of prospective immigrants,
pass an additional background check,
pay taxes,
learn English and civics,
demonstrate a history of work in the United States,
and current employment,
among other requirements, in order to earn the opportunity to apply for lawful permanent residency,"
If the those applying for probationary status do not meet all the requirements ,
will they then be deported ?


Reply 45 - Posted by: loveUSA, 1/29/2013 5:31:36 PM     (No. 9147111)

What are we talking about? The illegal aliens are already voting. See it every election. That´s why demonrats don´t want voter i.d.


Reply 46 - Posted by: ragu, 1/29/2013 5:42:24 PM     (No. 9147124)

Wouldn´t it be easier if they just made sure that the current immigrations laws are followed? Follow the current laws and work on closing our borders. Once the borders are closed, then go from there if needed.


Reply 47 - Posted by: larryp, 1/29/2013 6:08:39 PM     (No. 9147163)

Racism, racism, discrimination! Why shouldn´t the illegals be health screened?All the white people from Northern Europe and Eastern Europe in the 1920s had to have the health tests that they had available in those days. And the sick ones were sent back. Two voyages for thousands.
Standards. Health screenings. But not for the brown people of the southern hemisphere.
If thewe people are going to jam Obama care we better have a bead on their health. Many could carry parasites from which as ahost they could have only a mild flu-like symptom.


Reply 48 - Posted by: pineledger, 1/29/2013 7:02:54 PM     (No. 9147237)

Obama will not permit bipartisan agreement.

He´s imprinted against it.


Reply 49 - Posted by: golfmann, 1/29/2013 8:44:07 PM     (No. 9147344)

The common sense problem is illegal aliens are AUTOMATICALLY criminals....


Reply 50 - Posted by: get er done, 1/29/2013 8:52:01 PM     (No. 9147350)

Data presented at the National Review Conference in DC this past weekend was that 50% of Hispanic mothers are unwed, with conclusion that most are on the dole, and 70%+ of black womena re unwed mothers and most are on the dole.

The solution to our country´s financial problems is to stop paying/rewarding these unwed mothers to breed indiscriminately at taxpayer expense -- that is called "INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE", or slavery, which was outlawed some time ago.

Build the fence, with exit doors.


Reply 51 - Posted by: grounded, 1/29/2013 10:21:59 PM     (No. 9147479)

It´s the free stuff, Stupid. Read the Manhattan Institute fellow Heather MacDonald´s essay on why the Hispanic vote goes to the Dims. Free Stuff. What´s surprising is the number of Hispanic votes the GOP does get. Take out the Cuban-American voters and the number is probably pretty close to the 90-odd percent that the Black voters give the Dims.


Reply 52 - Posted by: ConradNY, 1/29/2013 11:35:23 PM     (No. 9147579)

Before anyone legalized:

1) Make illegal immigration a felony with 1-10 years in prison.
2) Amend the constitution so babies born to illegals are not citizens.
3) Illegals can bring in any but immediate family.
4) Sanctuaries or aiding illegals is a felony.
5) Federal law enforcement agency dedicated to pursuit of illegals.
6) Failure to enforce these laws is a felony.


Reply 53 - Posted by: dman, 1/30/2013 12:03:30 AM     (No. 9147615)

I´m open to this, once the border has been secured. That was the "deal" with Simpson-Mazzoli, upon which the Dems reneged. Fool us once ..


Reply 54 - Posted by: Holeymoses, 1/30/2013 8:41:17 AM     (No. 9148031)

Well, if the the little thing standing in the way is securing the borders first, how is this going to work? They haven´t been able to do it so far.



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Posted By: Drive- 7/30/2013 3:52:50 PM     Post Reply
Diplomatic Security agent David Ubben has been receiving treatment at Walter Reed Military Medical Center after being severely wounded on September 11, 2012 when the U.S. consulate in Benghazi was attacked by terrorists. According to Fox News, Ubben waited for help on top of a roof for 20 hours. What difference does waiting that long make? The lives of two Navy SEALs. During the second wave of attacks on Benghazi, David Ubben was on the rooftops with the Navy SEALS.

Weiner’s Behavior Prompts a
Question: Why Did He Do It?
New York Times, by Kate Taylor and Javier C. Hernandez    Original Article
Posted By: Drive- 7/30/2013 1:42:00 PM     Post Reply
As Anthony D. Weiner tries to repair the damage left by new revelations about his online behavior with women, one question nags at voters and those who once supported him: Why did he do it? Why did Mr. Weiner, who already forfeited his Congressional seat and imperiled his marriage, return to social media sites and send explicit messages and photos to strangers? Did he discount the risks to his family, his reputation and his career, or not understand them?

Ask Obama a tough question,
you’re a birther
Washington Examiner, by Timothy P. Carney    Original Article
Posted By: Drive- 7/30/2013 12:30:47 PM     Post Reply
President Obama in 2010 signed a law requiring large employers to offer health insurance to their employees. Earlier this Summer, President Obama announced his administration wasn’t going to require large employers to offer health insurance to their employees. Perhaps there is some explanation why it’s okay for Obama to do this. But if you ask Obama for that explanation, he gets pretty ****** at you. Here’s what Obama said when a New York Times reporter asked: If Congress thinks that what I’ve done is inappropriate or wrong in some fashion, they’re free to make that case.

What Pope Francis really said about
gays -- and no, it´s not new
Fox News, by Fr. Jonathan Morris    Original Article
Posted By: Drive- 7/30/2013 9:55:46 AM     Post Reply
Pope Francis doesn’t do interviews. Or at least that’s what we thought. He said that about himself just one week ago on the way to Rio de Janeiro for World Youth Day. Then World Youth Day happened. And it happened in a big way. According to official reports from City Hall, 3.2 million young people gathered on Copacabana Beach to see him, pray with him, and hear his proposal about the meaning of life. The Bible and the Catholic Church have never taught that it is a “sin” to be homosexual.

Don Lemon Defends ‘Controversial’
Comments On The View: ‘That’s Advice
My Mother Gave Me In Kindergarten’
Mediaite, by Matt Wilstein    Original Article
Posted By: Drive- 7/30/2013 9:27:00 AM     Post Reply
CNN’s Don Lemon would have been a great guest on any talk show Monday after the explosive weekend he had telling viewers Bill O’Reilly “doesn’t go far enough” in his criticism of black culture. He stayed off the major morning shows, but there he was sitting in the audience of The View, apparently as the guest of Republican strategist and temporary co-host Ana Navarro. The camera panned over to Lemon for a quick, impromptu interview about the statements he made that have so many people on both sides of the racial divide

Pope Francis reaches out to gays
Telegraph (U.K.), by Nick Squires    Original Article
Posted By: Drive- 7/30/2013 9:09:02 AM     Post Reply
In a significant shift of stance, the Pope struck a much more conciliatory tone than traditional Vatican doctrine, which has called homosexuality “a deviation” and “an irregularity” that should preclude gay men from becoming priests. “If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?” the Pope said during an interview with reporters on Monday. “We shouldn’t marginalise people for this. They must be integrated into society.” The Pope spoke to Vatican correspondents aboard the papal plane as he returned from Rio to Rome,

Bending the Trayvon
Martin tragedy to fit
Los Angeles Times, by Jonah Goldberg    Original Article
Posted By: Drive- 7/30/2013 7:45:50 AM     Post Reply
I never thought the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman case deserved nearly the attention it got. But reasonable people can disagree about that. What strikes me as unconscionable, however, is the way the supposedly objective media have not only sensationalized a tragedy but at times appear to deliberately bend the facts to fit a desired story line. Maybe it started with the use of pictures of a younger Martin or with the sudden embrace of the term "white Hispanic" to describe Zimmerman in order to more easily paint him as a racist. NBC News was the most egregious offender

Rep. Jamie Herrera Beutler’s baby is
born, overcomes typically fatal condition
Washington Post, by Roxanne Roberts and Amy Argetsinger    Original Article
Posted By: Drive- 7/29/2013 5:19:22 PM     Post Reply
In an astonishing turnaround, Rep. Jamie Herrera Beutler — who just weeks ago learned that her unborn child was suffering a lung-development condition that’s typically fatal at birth — announced Monday that her daughter was born alive and continues to thrive two weeks later. “She is every bit a miracle,” the Washington state Republican said.

Weiner didn’t declare costs
for lavish 2010 wedding
Daily Caller, by Charles C. Johnson    Original Article
Posted By: Drive- 7/29/2013 3:33:15 PM     Post Reply
Anthony Weiner may have violated federal law when he failed to disclose his lavish six-figure wedding in his financial disclosure forms, says a government accountability group. Ethics watchdog group National Legal and Policy Center examined the federal Financial Disclosure Reports for both Weiner and long-suffering wife Huma Abedin for 2010, the year of their wedding. The cost for the ceremony was at least $100,000 but probably ran closer to $250,000 including all



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Congressional Black Caucus
recommends Sheila Jackson Lee
for Homeland Security Secretary

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Houston Chronicle, by Hannah Jeffrey    Original Article
Posted By: Dreadnought- 7/29/2013 9:44:24 PM     Post Reply
Conservative bloggers went wild Monday when they got wind of the Congressional Black Caucus’ suggestion that President Obama pick Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee of Houston for the post of Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security. Rich Cooper, avid blogger for Security Debrief, responded to the news of the Jackson Lee recommendation in a post by saying, “Apparently, it is not a joke. For reasons that baffle any sense of reality, it is a serious gesture on the part of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) to encourage President Obama to nominate Rep. Jackson Lee

Diaper needs forces some
to steal, go without food

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Los Angeles Times, by Eryn Brown    Original Article
Posted By: Fiesta del sol- 7/30/2013 6:57:20 AM     Post Reply
There have been days since her son Ezekiel was born 11 months ago that Los Angeles mom Beth Capper has gone without food to keep up her supply. One friend was arrested for stealing some. It´s not drugs or alcohol or even baby formula that has put her in such a bind. It´s diapers. "There´s no way around buying them," said Capper, a 41-year-old single mother who doesn´t work because of a disability. Across the country, mothers like Capper are facing the same predicament. According to a report published Monday in the

Life in the Twilight
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PJ Media, by Victor Davis Hanson    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 7/30/2013 5:11:01 AM     Post Reply
America is in great shape energy-wise. We have more gas and oil reserves than ever before. Indeed, the United States could shortly become the world’s largest exporter of coal. Our cheaper power rates may bring energy-intensive industry back from Europe and Asia. If America’s small colleges are nearly broke and our public schools failing, nonetheless our blue-chip universities’ math, science, and engineering departments, and professional schools, remain the best in the world. (Snip)In our age, Nobel laureate, exempt Al Gore proved a fraud: the feminist who was accused of groping a woman in crazed sex-poodle fashion;

America´s first climate change refugees:
Hundreds forced to flee their Alaskan
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Daily Mail [UK], by Anthony Bond    Original Article
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It is a small Alaskan village whose inhabitants have relied on the sea for countless generations. But within a decade, it is expected that the ocean which the village of Kivalina has so relied on will completely destroy it--creating America´s first climate change refugees. Temperatures in the Arctic region of Alaska are warming twice as fast as the rest of the U.S, causing ice to retreat, sea levels to rise and coastal erosion to increase. It is a small Alaskan village whose inhabitants have relied on the sea for countless generations. The 400 indigenous Inuit inhabitants of Kivalina, who live

Weiner didn’t declare costs
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Daily Caller, by Charles C. Johnson    Original Article
Posted By: Drive- 7/29/2013 3:33:15 PM     Post Reply
Anthony Weiner may have violated federal law when he failed to disclose his lavish six-figure wedding in his financial disclosure forms, says a government accountability group. Ethics watchdog group National Legal and Policy Center examined the federal Financial Disclosure Reports for both Weiner and long-suffering wife Huma Abedin for 2010, the year of their wedding. The cost for the ceremony was at least $100,000 but probably ran closer to $250,000 including all

New Pelosi Agenda: Moms Free
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Breitbart´s Big Government, by Dr. Susan Berry    Original Article
Posted By: mitzi- 7/30/2013 7:23:04 PM     Post Reply
In an interview on National Public Radio (NPR), House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said her new agenda for women will give mothers access to day care so they can “earn without carrying the burden of child care.” During the interview, aired on Weekend Edition Sunday, Pelosi spoke about her newly announced agenda, which is on her website, and is titled, “When Women Succeed, America Succeeds: An Economic Agenda for Women and Families,” a plan that includes universal pre-school and access to day care for working women, and an increase in the minimum wage.

PPP poll: Palin leads Alaska
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Hot Air. com, by Allahpundit    Original Article
Posted By: Not your typical New Yorker- 7/31/2013 11:12:11 AM     Post Reply
Gotta figure her lead would be even bigger without Joe Miller in the field here. Her nomination for the taking? Alaska should be a top tier pick up opportunity for Senate Republicans next year…but their top choice of a candidate is Sarah Palin. 36% of GOP primary voters in the state say they’d like Palin to be their standard bearer against Mark Begich to 26% for Mead Treadwell, 15% for Dan Sullivan, and 12% for Joe Miller.

Affording diapers a problem for 30
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CBS News, by Ryan Jaslow    Original Article
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Many low-income families receive government assistance to help them purchase food and housing. Diapers are another story, a new study suggests. In what they are calling the first peer-reviewed study to quantify diaper need, Yale University researchers have found nearly a third of mothers cannot afford to purchase their infants diapers, raising health risks for not only babies but for moms who become stressed over the finances. "Notably absent from the antipoverty efforts targeting families is an essential staple for the health of children, diapers," wrote the researchers, led by Dr. Megan Smith,

Under Sequester, U.S.
Giving Islamists $500 Million

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Investor´s Business Daily, by Editorial    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 7/29/2013 8:16:32 PM     Post Reply
Mideast: The sequester has "cost jobs," says President Obama, and "gutted investments in education and science and medical research." But somehow he´s earmarked $500 million for Hamas terrorists. Circumventing Congress and with no fanfare, President Obama last week issued an executive order enabling him to send an additional $500 million directly to the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank — much of which you can bet will wind up going to the Iranian-backed Hamas terrorist organization. According to Obama, "it is important to the national security interests of the United States to waive the provisions of" Congress´ legislative restrictions "in

Trayvon’s mother: Stand Your Ground
helped Zimmerman get away
with murder

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Miami Herald, by Marc Caputo    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 7/29/2013 10:29:36 PM     Post Reply
The mother of Trayvon Martin said Monday that she believed Florida’s Stand Your Ground law played a role in her son’s shooting death, but she wasn’t ready to support a boycott of the state for not changing the self-defense law. “The thing about this law is I just think it assisted the person who killed my son to get away with murder,” Sybrina Fulton, the mother of the 17-year-old from Miami Gardens, said at a National Bar Association event in Miami Beach. “I think we have to change these laws so people don’t get

Scientists Seek to Rein
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New York Times, by Tara Parker-Pope    Original Article
Posted By: LittleHoodedMonk- 7/30/2013 12:53:51 AM     Post Reply
A group of experts advising the nation’s premier cancer research institution has recommended sweeping changes in the approach to cancer detection and treatment, including changes in the very definition of cancer and eliminating the word entirely from some common diagnoses. (Snip) The group, which includes some of the top scientists in cancer research, also suggested that many lesions detected during breast, prostate, thyroid, lung and other cancer screenings should not be called cancer at all but should instead be reclassified as IDLE conditions, which stands for “indolent lesions of

Karl Rove, 100+ GOP Donors Send
Letter to Republicans Urging
Immigration Reform

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Breitbart Big Government, by Tony Lee    Original Article
Posted By: SpeedMaster- 7/30/2013 1:58:42 PM     Post Reply
Karl Rove and more than one hundred Republican donors sent a letter to Republican members of Congress on Tuesday, urging them to pass a comprehensive immigration reform bill that would include, among other provisions, granting "legal status" to illegal aliens who meet certain criteria. Anticipating that lawmakers will face resistance to the bill when they go home for the August recess, the letter marks the escalation of a campaign in which Republican leaders and donors are pressuring House Republicans to act on an immigration reform bill.


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