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What did Republicans win
in immigration deal?

Washington Post, by Greg Sargent

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Posted By:Fiesta del sol, 1/28/2013 1:35:16 PM

It’s has been widely assumed this morning by some immigration advocates (and by yours truly, too) that the new immigration reform plan’s process of citizenship for the country’s 11 million undocumented immigrants is contingent on a commission of Southwestern officials declaring the border secure. Not true. I’ve now got clarification from Senate staff working on the bill, and it turns out that the enforcement commission’s judgments will only be advisory, and are entirely nonbinding. Congress’ actions will not be dictated by what this commission concludes;

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: VinGoombatz, 1/28/2013 1:41:54 PM     (No. 9144455)

Golly gee...we sure did something now.

But of course they didn´t.

Hate politicians. Especially RINOs.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Mr. Hanky, 1/28/2013 1:47:37 PM     (No. 9144470)

OK, the next 11 million run right over!

Of course the real number is something like 20 million, but who´s counting...

For the rest of you who don´t feel like getting paper, don´t worry, there won´t be any enforcement either.

What a joke. Why bother?

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Mr. Hanky, 1/28/2013 1:47:50 PM     (No. 9144471)

OK, the next 11 million run right over!

Of course the real number is something like 20 million, but who´s counting...

For the rest of you who don´t feel like getting papers, don´t worry, there won´t be any enforcement either.

What a joke. Why bother?

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Reply 4 - Posted by: bamapreacher, 1/28/2013 1:51:25 PM     (No. 9144486)

Republicans may, in the end, have won the frustration factor. Where are these new citizens, even the brightest and best, going to get jobs? When they see how the democ rats have used them, they are not going to be happy. Remember, they are, I believe, smarter than your average Obama voter. If they are really here for jobs and opportunity, they will discover it is best to vote republican.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: whyyeseyec, 1/28/2013 1:52:23 PM     (No. 9144488)

With McCain and Graham steering this legislation it`s bound to drive straight into a ditch.

Are there 2 more inept out of touch senators in office today?

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Reply 6 - Posted by: LoneStarLarry, 1/28/2013 1:54:57 PM     (No. 9144493)

The pox on all of them in Washington.
We have been bamboozled again.
Where do we go to be heard? These lefties and rinos have hijacked America.

Please direct me to a 3rd party.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: snowoutlaw, 1/28/2013 1:56:18 PM     (No. 9144500)

Nothing but Amesty again. Republicans’ win the right to lose all up coming elections as RINOS.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: jgalt, 1/28/2013 1:59:57 PM     (No. 9144510)

What 11 million ??

When Bush was in office, (how long has it been now 6 or 7 years since we were talking about the illegal immigration issue ?) they were using a figure of 12 million plus.

Now they are trying to say we have fewer illegals than we did 6 years ago ???

I would agree with a n earlier comment above... my estimate is at least 20 million illegals (and that´s not even counting the hezbolah and other muslim terror cells that have come in through our southern border in the last 10 years or so)


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Reply 9 - Posted by: bpl40, 1/28/2013 2:00:23 PM     (No. 9144512)

11 million more votes cast for the next 0bama!

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Reply 10 - Posted by: King of all trolls, 1/28/2013 2:03:20 PM     (No. 9144516)

Rubio got to Hannity and Drudge. This amnesty deal is getting the blackout treatment.
Who can normal citizens trust these days? Nobody: not John McCain, not Boehner, not Tea Party fraud Rubio, not Hannity, not Drudge. The GOP is a dilapidated shack that needs to be demolished. There is no competing with a voting public that has been raised on free government cheese and brainwashed from Kindergarten to graduate school. No trophy candidates like Rubio or Liz Cheney are every going to change that fact. Besides, Hillary is going to sweep 2016 -- she already has the blessing of Ryan and Rubio. She´s already gearing up for it with her little softball interview with Greta Van Feminist. Time to burn the place down and move on. Game over.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: bighambone, 1/28/2013 2:09:07 PM     (No. 9144529)

Before the wimpy Republicans agree to any sort of Democrat legalization program actually swinging into action, they had better make sure that all the enforcement components of the deal are already in place and working, especially an enhanced e-verify type system to keep illegal aliens out of US employment, if not, the Democrats and their ethnic and immigrant rights advocates will sabotage those enforcement components administratively, through the courts, and in future Congresses. That what happened after the 1986 amnesty.

The deal should only give longtime illegal aliens a conditional immigration status, that allows them to stay here indefinitely, to work, and to travel to and from the USA. To go any further in "a path to citizenship" the legalized aliens should have to qualify for an immigrant visa to get permanent residence, as all legal immigrants have to do today, and thereafter meet all the requirements for naturalization, as all legal immigrants have to also do today.

The Democrats bottom line will always be a "direct path to citizenship" for just about all illegal aliens allowing the legalized aliens to progress almost automatically to permanent residence and US citizenship with US voting rights, knowing that about 80% of them would become Democrat voters as always has been the case in the past. The Democrats would never be doing that if they ever thought that a plurality of the legalized aliens would have an epifinany and vote for Republicans in the future. You can bet on that. Most illegal aliens are Mexicans and as the former Mexican President has said many times, Mexicans love being Mexicans and do not need or want US citizenship, they just want to work in the USA and be treated with dignity, so why are the Democrats rushing to grant them US citizenship?

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Blackeagle, 1/28/2013 2:23:05 PM     (No. 9144577)

Anything put together by a group with McCain, Graham, Rubio and that other guy is likely to be as out of step with rest of the GOP as is possible. And the chance of something from them getting through the House would be slim to none.

I think that very little of the Obama agenda, or the Obama-Schumer agenda will get anywhere. It´s gridlock time.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Libertygal, 1/28/2013 2:28:57 PM     (No. 9144600)

This is the Republican reaction to the election. They feel they have to ´reach out´ to get voters. They were told this repeatedly by the liberal media this is why they lost the election, remember? Who cares what it costs taxpayers, what it does to the economy, as long as they gain some perceived ´votes´.

Sad thing is, they will likely lose more votes to their actions than gains due to conservatives bailing to Independent, and voting against them.

The GOP is imploding, all by itself. Obama doesn´t need to go for the throat.


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Reply 14 - Posted by: antiquegolf, 1/28/2013 2:38:57 PM     (No. 9144623)

Face it folks, we´ve been sold down the river. In 1968, my mother predicted uncontrolled illegal immigration would destroy this country.

I´m so angry over this issue, I have to go away to avoid a lifetime ban. Adios.


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Reply 15 - Posted by: Coy860, 1/28/2013 2:58:23 PM     (No. 9144656)

These Republicans do not GET it! Illegal Mexicans like free stuff too..the democrats are the party of free stuff.
In a stupid effort to get more votes (which won´t happen because Republicans are supposed to be fiscally responsible..HOW can they be FOR illegals? Answer (it´s not their money used for the free stuff).

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Reply 16 - Posted by: redink, 1/28/2013 3:23:49 PM     (No. 9144709)

They won the same thing they did with the debt deal...conservative resentment and voter abdication.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: bighambone, 1/28/2013 3:26:49 PM     (No. 9144712)

Why should Hispanic voters cast votes for the weak kneed Republicans after all the illegal aliens have been granted amnesty? There is no reason, as the Democrats will always out bid the Republicans in creating new rights and increased benefits and services to that population group.

Most illegal aliens are poor generally uneducated people who have low incomes and big families and need social welfare services to survive here. Historically immigrants of that class have become Democrat voters. There is no evidence that such a historical perspective will change, as the liberal Democrats already run and control the ethnic communities where most illegal aliens reside.

If the Republicans go along with a liberal Democrat plan that gives just about automatic US citizenship to all illegal aliens within a few years along with US voting rights, the Republicans will have committed what amounts to long-term political suicide when the Democrats use their many millions of new voters to change the political balance of the country greatly in their favor. Once that happens the Republicans will never again be able to win national elections and it will become clear why the Republicans are called the stupid party.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Iraengneer, 1/28/2013 3:31:17 PM     (No. 9144719)

What did they earn?
Contempt.
Richly merited.
Don´t blame this on Obama. Don´t blame this on the Democrats. Of such, we expect no less than concerted efforts to damage the nation and the society.
No.
THIS kind of garbage belongs at the feet of the RINO´s in the Stupid Party. Among them being Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Marco Rubio, George W. and Jeb Bush.
Contempt, that they´ve earned, and the undying enmity of the citizens of this land. I spit on their shadow.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Grambo, 1/28/2013 3:41:17 PM     (No. 9144738)

There is no more Republican party, only a RINO party. After faithfully supporting the party for 50 years, I´ve had enough; I’m gone.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Charactercounts, 1/28/2013 3:46:55 PM     (No. 9144748)

It´s time to drop your Republican registration, folks.

Maybe they´ll understand that. The Republicans don´t seem to understand anything else their membership says.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: mickturn, 1/28/2013 3:57:42 PM     (No. 9144772)

The RINO´s will get invited to Lib parties...to clean up the leftovers.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Safari Man, 1/28/2013 4:11:43 PM     (No. 9144790)

Folks you might want to start selling everything you have which ties you to this country and start looking for an alternate place to live. I still don´t know where that is, but the USA is going to go down the toilet real fast (ie much faster than it already is) if this passes.


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Reply 23 - Posted by: winnie1, 1/28/2013 4:18:04 PM     (No. 9144807)

What did the Repubs prove? Latinos will NEVER vite Repub because the Repubs will not give out handouts. The GOP are nothing but foolish SUCKERS. I have to laugh when the Democraps claim they want to help the RINO´S get the Latino vote.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: tomanderson61, 1/28/2013 4:51:59 PM     (No. 9144894)

Here is what will happen folks, I will map this out. Cut it out, put it on your fridge, and watch EVERY single part of what I say come true.

1) For the TWENTY million, not suddenly 11, but the TWENTY million illegal aliens, this new deal will give them amnesty.

2) There will be some ´feel good" measures in there, such as paying a fee, back taxes, etc. However, the ACLU and other groups will sue about this, and these "good, hardworking immigrants" will not pay a cent.

3) There will be no crackdown on paying these people under the table, or any serious work on the stealing of others´ identities and phony identifications. So, we will welcome and give citizenship to all these people, many of whom will not pay taxes.

4) We will allow them to bring over family members so that "families are not torn apart". Which will turn 20 million aliens into 40-60 million.

5) For the minority that actually do file a tax return, they can claim all their children and their "poverty status" and pay no taxes, perhaps get additional money sent to them.

6) All these recently arrived family members will get free medicine, school, college grants, paid for by the citizens of this country.

7) If you speak out about this, you will be labeled racist. You may be charged with a hate crime, putting your job and family at risk.

8) Your taxes will go up to accommodate.

9) Some will be happy. The liberals will get more voters, ensuring them a strong voting block. The Republicans will get an endless supply of cheap labor for their big business backers.

10) We are going to lose the Senate in the next election.

11) We will not see a Republican president again.



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Reply 25 - Posted by: oldsfc, 1/28/2013 5:05:25 PM     (No. 9144928)

The repubs can´t lose the senate, they lost it after the rino/bush spending fiasco. The repubs may lose the house, and that will be very, very bad amigo.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: tomanderson61, 1/28/2013 7:07:51 PM     (No. 9145115)

Thank you #25, I meant the House. And yes, I think it will be lost.

The momentum of illegal aliens converting to legal alien voters, the rise in minorities, the general dumbing down of Americans, and the rise of wimpified men and women voting with their vaginas likely has doomed us.

We survived Johnson and Carter, but with not nearly the amount of issues mentioned above.

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The human kindling that makes up the flammable Republican base may soon burst into flames, again. Portions of that excitable cohort are looking — some with fawn-like eyes filled with hurt, others with sparks shooting from eyes narrowed like gun slits — askance at other Republicans urging Jeb Bush to seek the 2016 presidential nomination. A candidacy by Florida’s former governor would be desirable. But if Republicans want to avoid intra-party carnage, they should be very careful about doing what The Post recently reported: “Many of the Republican Party’s most powerful insiders and financiers have begun a behind-the-scenes campaign to draft

Defense Secretary ´Looking´ at Banning
Tobacco Sales at Military Installations

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Weekly Standard, by Daniel Halper    Original Article
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Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel is "looking" at banning the sale of tobacco at military installations. According to one military publication, Hagel appears to support it. "As the Navy considers banning tobacco sales on all bases and ships, Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel gave a strong endorsement of the review Monday, and suggested that he would be in favor of a ban," reports Stars and Stripes. “I don’t know if there’s anybody in America who still thinks that tobacco is good for you,” Stars and Stripes quotes Hagel as saying. “We don’t allow smoking in any of our government buildings. Restaurants, states, [and]

Sarah Palin Continues to Discredit Herself
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Commentary Magazine, by Peter Wehner    Original Article
Posted By: MissMolly- 4/2/2014 2:45:34 PM     Post Reply
Sarah Palin continues to act in ways that confirm some of the more negative things said about her. For example, she’s taken to Facebook to attack the most recent budget plan by House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan.(Snip)Whatever differences Ms. Palin may have with the Ryan plan–and perhaps she’ll take the time to offer an actual critique of if rather than a Facebook entry with lots of upper case words–it’s hardly a joke. But what might elicit a roll of the eyes is comparing Ms. Palin’s views now versus what they were nearly four years ago. Consider this: On December

Harry Reid Now Spreading Baseless Claim
that Koch Brothers Don´t Pay Corporate Taxes

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Weekly Standard, by John McCormack    Original Article
Posted By: MissMolly- 4/2/2014 2:53:59 PM     Post Reply
Senate majority leader Harry Reid has a whole page on his official Senate.gov website devoted to revealing "THE FACTS ABOUT THE KOCH BROTHERS." One of the alleged facts promoted on Reid´s website is that the Kochs do not pay any corporate taxes: “They are known for bankrolling conservative, Libertarian and Tea Party causes and became poster boys for corporate tax reform last year when an Obama Administration official suggested Koch is organized as an S Corp. and so pays no corporate level taxes.” The claim that the Koch brothers don´t pay corporate income taxes was first made by former White House official


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