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So what if abortion ends life?
Salon, by Mary Elizabeth Williams

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Posted By:pinkpanther, 1/23/2013 5:41:06 PM

Of all the diabolically clever moves the anti-choice lobby has ever pulled, surely one of the greatest has been its consistent co-opting of the word “life.” Life! Who wants to argue with that? Who wants be on the side of … not-life? That’s why the language of those who support abortion has for so long been carefully couched in other terms. While opponents of abortion eagerly describe themselves as “pro-life,” the rest of us have had to scramble around with not nearly as big-ticket words like “choice” and “reproductive freedom.” The “life”

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Coy860, 1/23/2013 5:45:51 PM     (No. 9135068)

Multiple choice for dummies:
You are either pro-life or pro-death..

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Reply 2 - Posted by: formerNYer, 1/23/2013 5:50:28 PM     (No. 9135074)

Watch a liberals head explode.

So what if the legal use of death penalty ends life?

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Reply 3 - Posted by: HaraldBluetooth, 1/23/2013 5:52:32 PM     (No. 9135079)

"Yet a fetus can be a human life without having the same rights as the woman in whose body it resides. She’s the boss. Her life and what is right for her circumstances and her health should automatically trump the rights of the non-autonomous entity inside of her. Always."

Very interesting. Sounds a bit like slavery to me. Isn´t that how the argument went? I´m the master because I´m superior, and therefore my rights trump those of my slaves, always? Up to and including killing them as it suits me?

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Reply 4 - Posted by: heartsurgeon, 1/23/2013 5:55:59 PM     (No. 9135081)

"they wave the not-even-accurate notion that “abortion stops a beating heart"

the authoress provides a link...which confirms that the heart starts beating in the first trimester...

At least she got it right about admitting abortion ends life...that´s something

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Emmajustin, 1/23/2013 5:57:08 PM     (No. 9135082)

I couldn´t believe her article.
I know I will have a tough time at the pearly gates explaining my sins, but I can´t imagine what she will go thru.
How can she say life begins at conception but that she has no problem killing that life just because it is in her body?
How can she be that cavalier about killing a baby?
Shocking is not nearly the right word.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Dante, 1/23/2013 5:57:28 PM     (No. 9135083)

That little rant posted above sounds like she is standing up to some imaginary ´oppressor´ and patting herself on the back over nothing.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: bkt23, 1/23/2013 5:59:34 PM     (No. 9135091)

An organism has unique human DNA and has the required faculties to live and grow. In every way this organism passes the test for "life". And these clowns are late to the party: *OF* *COURSE* YOU´RE ENDING A LIFE WHEN YOU HAVE AN ABORTION!

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Reply 8 - Posted by: hardhead, 1/23/2013 6:01:41 PM     (No. 9135095)

Yes, by all means, let´s change the dialogue and admit that a pregnancy involves a real life. So what, she says? It´s the mother´s choice what happens to the baby (It really is a baby, isn´t it?) But why stop in the womb? That mother should also have the right to ´terminate´ the life of that baby no matter how old it is. What´s the difference? In the womb or out of the womb, it´s a mother´s choice.
Baby killers disgust me.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: bpl40, 1/23/2013 6:04:02 PM     (No. 9135099)

Yes we kill people and sometimes innocent people in course of war, law and order actions. But there is a difference. Never is the individual who benefits from it allowed to take that decision by himself. If a Guardsman at say Kent State had opened fire without on orders on someone he spotted in the crowd and had reason to hate. He would be guilty of MURDER. Thats what the issue is. Society has and will always have an eminent interest. Liberals cannot wriggle themselves away from that.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Stlouislaxbros dad, 1/23/2013 6:04:45 PM     (No. 9135101)


What a perfectly horrible person.

Read the article to see where the other side is going.

Note that she says that if she found herself pregnant... she would have what she describes as "the World´s Greatest Abortion."

She is a bully who feels no shame at the killing of an innocent human. She attempts to justify it.

Seems to me that that argument has been made before in Germany before the middle of the last century.







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Reply 11 - Posted by: spit the bit, 1/23/2013 6:06:46 PM     (No. 9135106)

No culture, no society, no race, has ever survived beyond this point. But God...

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Reply 12 - Posted by: capt scurvey, 1/23/2013 6:07:01 PM     (No. 9135108)

Young liberals, taken out of the game before they could breed or vote. Too bad this harpie´s mome didn´t opt for an abortion...

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Jakester2344, 1/23/2013 6:08:42 PM     (No. 9135114)

This was what Romney´s "War on Women" was about.The Democrats were allowed to declare that they were pro aborts without having to come out and stating this plainly. The GOP either did not understand this or were afraid to stand for life.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: NYbob, 1/23/2013 6:12:51 PM     (No. 9135117)

A creepy monster struggles to define a way that pretends she isn´t a monster. One of those ignorant loud mouths who try and bully their way through life. Some day, some way, there will be an accounting and she will have no real defense.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: jalo1951, 1/23/2013 6:14:40 PM     (No. 9135121)

If you can´t understand the difference between a seriously injured accident victim who is dying and an 8 month old fetus who is about to have his brains sucked out of his head and then have his skull crushed you shouldn´t be writing columns about the meaning of life and death. I know it´s a long sentence but she really is - well, you know.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Newtsche, 1/23/2013 6:15:28 PM     (No. 9135123)

As a real young guy forty years ago when legal abortions became a reality, I stupidly predicted medical science would soon create a world where unwanted pregnancies didn´t happen. I also predicted the "abortion era" would be looked back upon with horror. I´ve been hearing the tired "It´s her body" ever since, what a fool I´ve been...

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Reply 17 - Posted by: ScarletPimpernel, 1/23/2013 6:18:22 PM     (No. 9135129)

FTA: "As Roe v. Wade enters its fifth decade, we find ourselves at one of the most schizo moments in our national relationship with reproductive choice."

Indeed. Asking "So what if abortion ends life?", which is acknowledging that it is, and then killing it anyway, is indeed schizophrenic.

Excellent comments, #3.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Coy860, 1/23/2013 6:19:47 PM     (No. 9135134)

Women like this have screwed up heads.
A baby conceived of a one night stand..a hookup, no love involved..just plain lust of the moment..a baby conceived under those conditions is not worthy of life and love in their sick minds. They think they get a free pass for their loose behavior. The guy sure doesn´t respect her, she doesn´t respect herself, and she doesn´t respect the life within her. Disgusting.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: jl80863, 1/23/2013 6:21:21 PM     (No. 9135139)

How would this creature possibly find herself pregnant??

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Reply 20 - Posted by: BaseballFan, 1/23/2013 6:27:19 PM     (No. 9135148)

The "new morality" = no morality.
Moral relativism = no morals.


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Reply 21 - Posted by: runningdoc, 1/23/2013 6:28:30 PM     (No. 9135150)



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Reply 22 - Posted by: killerbee, 1/23/2013 6:29:21 PM     (No. 9135151)

Mary Elizabeth Williams is a ghoul of the worst sort. The poster child for "kill it before it grows!" abortion lovers.

If you read the comments, the poster named Ken is absolutely hysterical about any restrictions on abortion and any designation of "life" to a baby at any stage of gestation. That, there, is a guilty conscience in action.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: runningdoc, 1/23/2013 6:32:44 PM     (No. 9135157)

A fetus is a human life, "It is a life worth ending." That woman could have written copy for Adolph Hitler. I do not say that for the shock value. She takes what is an obvious and outrageous idea and turns it into a wonderful benediction! The baby is a life worth ending. A human being worth killing! No small wonder this nation is in the mess it is in with people like her writing opinion pieces.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: thegare, 1/23/2013 6:38:21 PM     (No. 9135165)

In my almost seventy years on earth, I have noted that the ones that scream the most usually have something to hide relative to what they are yakking about.

I would bet my IRA that Elizabeth Williams that grean internet journalista has had at least one abortion or more in her life and with the article is trying to justify her actions.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: ketchuplover, 1/23/2013 6:38:51 PM     (No. 9135167)

We are seeing firsthand in our generation, the Nazi mindset - some life is more valuable than others; just because it´s alive, doesn´t mean you shouldn´t/can´t kill it; etc. This is not a human being; she is a monster, ready to defend anyone who devours another life for any means. Imagine being one of her children! "Thanks, Mom, for having me and not okaying me to get sucked apart, limb by limb or burned alive by salt....Um, Mom? Do our roles reverse when you are in a nursing home or are no longer useful alive to me?"

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Reply 26 - Posted by: georgia peach, 1/23/2013 7:03:55 PM     (No. 9135201)

There is one point that never seems to be discussed.How many choices did the woman have before pregnancy occurred?

It´s as if a fetus fell from the sky and the women became pregnant.Who talks about women being grown responsible adults who have many choices before they have to say something like:who cares if an abortion ends a life.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: thelmalou, 1/23/2013 7:05:25 PM     (No. 9135203)

I have to go throw up now.


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Reply 28 - Posted by: qr4j, 1/23/2013 7:06:00 PM     (No. 9135205)

The Lefties are ALWAYS telling us how capitalists are so self-centered. Is this woman not the height of self-centeredness?

Hey . . . it´s my money . . . I earned it . . . if it is MINE, then I should get to CHOOSE what I do with it.

This person is a horrible soul. Perhaps she´s not a soul; I think it has gone where Hitler´s has.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: bullhead, 1/23/2013 7:07:37 PM     (No. 9135206)

Too bad Mary Elizabeth Williams, and those of the same mindset, were not aborted. s/o

I wonder how Mary Elizabeth Williams would feel about that? Probably not a problem for her since life is so cheap.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: GringoinQuito, 1/23/2013 8:22:09 PM     (No. 9135292)

Interesting. She is named after Mary, the mother of Christ, and Elizabeth, Mary´s cousin, the first person that Mary revealed her pregnancy to.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: fembot, 1/23/2013 8:32:52 PM     (No. 9135308)

I wonder how she ever found out that the defenders of the babies even use the word "life"? The LIV lapdog media certainly never use the term "pro-life" when reporting on the topic. For them it´s always "anti-abortion rights", worded to sound as negative as possible toward pro-lifers ("anti-) and as positive as possible about their own side ("rights").

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Reply 32 - Posted by: LouD, 1/23/2013 8:44:09 PM     (No. 9135325)

These women like Mary Williams are the same kind (libs) that called Vietnam vets "baby killers". And now for the last 40 years they have been killing babies themselves.
Go figure.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: god of irony, 1/23/2013 8:54:51 PM     (No. 9135335)

Life is when a cell splits and multiplies. To deny that you must anti-science.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: coyote, 1/23/2013 9:07:52 PM     (No. 9135354)

According to Ms. Williams, you can believe life begins at conception...or at birth, or maybe at age 35. Or maybe if you want to believe anything, you eventually need to corrupt language.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: kafir091101, 1/23/2013 9:10:07 PM     (No. 9135360)

I read a novel where a team of ex-SF/SEAL types exterminated those who perpetrated/promoted heinously immoral acts.

Most of their exploits were in the NE and the greater DC area with an occasional side trip to the Left Coast

Too bad it was fiction!

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Reply 36 - Posted by: dogbreath, 1/23/2013 9:13:04 PM     (No. 9135364)

So, people adamantly oppose the murder of innocents are diabolical. This woman is evil.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: LanieLou, 1/23/2013 9:20:04 PM     (No. 9135376)

Remember the sweet little college girl who wanted free condoms, Sandra Fluke?

Well... the MSM lied to us, big time. She is a population control activist... Part of the Let´s Reduce the Population by 90% Crowd.

The President´s Global Development Council website has an article on how the Gates Foundation is buying up all the small dairies in Africa & India, so they can deliver sterilization thru the milk supply. Will they do it here? Who knows.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: Grace Veritas, 1/23/2013 9:29:03 PM     (No. 9135387)

So, it´s taken forty years for the pro-aborts to finally face the fact that has been true all along. I think it is a good sign for us that one of them is giving up their 40-year obfuscating strategy. Now their argument seems to be, "Some babies need killing." I think that´s a tougher sell than our pitch.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: oh-heck, 1/23/2013 9:38:56 PM     (No. 9135398)

Lets be honest, abortions to save the life of the mother are way less than 1%. Quite simply that is a red herring when in some locations 40% of pregnancies are terminated. Nor are death panels saving the lives of the heirs by terminating their parents or grandparents. And it is tranference on a grand scale accuse pro=lifers of choosing the terms of the debate when you have decided label pro=termination as pro-choice.

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It´s the end of an era: David Letterman announced Thursday that he´s retiring from CBS´ "Late Show" sometime next year. He made that announcement during the taping of his program this afternoon. The late-night talk show host, who will celebrate his 67th birthday next week, made his debut on the "Late Show" on Aug. 30, 1993. Letterman got his television start in 1978 on the CBS variety series "Mary," starring Mary Tyler Moore. Months later, he paid his first visit to "The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson" -- marking the first of 22 appearances. He also guest-hosted "Tonight" numerous times.

Dem Rep.: ‘Members of Congress
Are Underpaid,’ Can’t Afford
to ‘Live Decently’

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Mediaite, by Josh Feldman    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/3/2014 7:15:42 PM     Post Reply
Do you think members of Congress are overpaid or underpaid? Most likely you’d go with the former, but Democratic congressman Jim Moran argues it’s actually the latter. In an interview with CQ Roll Call, Moran says, “I think the American people should know that the members of Congress are underpaid.” The House recently took up a bill to freeze members’ paychecks, placing another halt on the annual cost-of-living pay increases they would normally get and keeping annual salary at $174,000. Moran believes that this is the wrong way to go, not necessarily talking about himself in particular, but saying there

5 Reasons Why Republicans
Should Say No to Jeb 2016

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Daily Beast, by Myra Adams    Original Article
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With Chris Christie in deep trouble, Republican poobahs are reportedly looking to Jeb Bush to save their party in 2016. The former two-term governor of Florida speaks fluent Spanish, is a convert to Catholicism, and has high name recognition. Jeb could raise millions of dollars over night by just saying “yes” to running. Despite all this, there are strong reasons Republicans should say no to him. 1. His last name is poison. Let’s face it, if Jeb Bush had the last name of Something Else he would have already run for president in 2008 or 2012. According to a recent Washington Post/ABC News poll registered voters were asked if they would definitely NOT vote for Jeb Bush and 50 percent said they would not.

The GOP faithful should
give Jeb Bush a hearing

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Washington Post, by George F. Will    Original Article
Posted By: tisHimself- 4/2/2014 11:20:56 PM     Post Reply
The human kindling that makes up the flammable Republican base may soon burst into flames, again. Portions of that excitable cohort are looking — some with fawn-like eyes filled with hurt, others with sparks shooting from eyes narrowed like gun slits — askance at other Republicans urging Jeb Bush to seek the 2016 presidential nomination. A candidacy by Florida’s former governor would be desirable. But if Republicans want to avoid intra-party carnage, they should be very careful about doing what The Post recently reported: “Many of the Republican Party’s most powerful insiders and financiers have begun a behind-the-scenes campaign to draft

Defense Secretary ´Looking´ at Banning
Tobacco Sales at Military Installations

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Weekly Standard, by Daniel Halper    Original Article
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Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel is "looking" at banning the sale of tobacco at military installations. According to one military publication, Hagel appears to support it. "As the Navy considers banning tobacco sales on all bases and ships, Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel gave a strong endorsement of the review Monday, and suggested that he would be in favor of a ban," reports Stars and Stripes. “I don’t know if there’s anybody in America who still thinks that tobacco is good for you,” Stars and Stripes quotes Hagel as saying. “We don’t allow smoking in any of our government buildings. Restaurants, states, [and]

Sarah Palin Continues to Discredit Herself
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Commentary Magazine, by Peter Wehner    Original Article
Posted By: MissMolly- 4/2/2014 2:45:34 PM     Post Reply
Sarah Palin continues to act in ways that confirm some of the more negative things said about her. For example, she’s taken to Facebook to attack the most recent budget plan by House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan.(Snip)Whatever differences Ms. Palin may have with the Ryan plan–and perhaps she’ll take the time to offer an actual critique of if rather than a Facebook entry with lots of upper case words–it’s hardly a joke. But what might elicit a roll of the eyes is comparing Ms. Palin’s views now versus what they were nearly four years ago. Consider this: On December

Harry Reid on Koch Brothers:
‘Shadow Billionaires’ Spending
to ‘Rig Our Political System’

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Cybercast News Service, by Penny Starr    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/3/2014 6:02:21 PM     Post Reply
At a press conference to push legislation to raise the minimum wage to $10.10 an hour, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) criticized industrialists David and Charles Koch, calling them “shadow billionaires” who use their wealth to “rig our political system.” Reid’s sharp comments come on a day when the Wall Street Journal published a commentary written by Charles Koch, in which he described the brothers’ decision to get involved in politics to preserve the individual freedom and free markets that he said are the pillars of the American republic. “These two men are a pair of shadow billionaires spending


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