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Secession and Patriotism
Commentary Magazine, by Jonathan S. Tobin

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Posted By:StormCnter, 1/18/2013 5:42:42 AM

I rarely find myself in complete agreement with anything that comes out of the Obama administration. But I have to commend Jon Carson, the White House director of public engagement, for his thoughtful response to the petitions received from those asking that Texas and some other states be allowed to peacefully withdraw from the union. This is the sort of thing that can easily be dismissed as the domain of crackpots. Fortunately, only a tiny minority of Texans supports secession. Nevertheless, the ongoing debates about gun control and the debt ceiling have given a concept

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Country Boy, 1/18/2013 6:00:12 AM     (No. 9123572)

Where does this bumper crop of apologists come from?

From what I can see
1) Dems engage in massive voter fraud
2) Republican party is not allowed to challenge any of it

http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/11/15/why-the-gop-will-not-do-anything-about-vote-fraud/

Peaceful secession is the only reasonable way out, long term. The alternative has been tried, cost 600,000 lives.


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Reply 2 - Posted by: lilo, 1/18/2013 6:00:57 AM     (No. 9123574)

Obama has declared war on the Constitution, seeking to contain and destroy our liberties, failed to protect our borders, has sent troops to foreign lands without Congressional approval, failed to pass a budged, balanced or not, forced legislation down our throats against majority consent, and favored unions and his cronies over the good of the country. What does Mr. Tobin suggest we do to rein in a president who is as expensive as he is arrogant? The man is clearly out of control, while trying to control every aspect of our lives. The last civil war was fought over slavery and states rights. This one is shaping up to be the same battle, only this time it is the government who is trying to enslave the people. Suggestions, Mr Tobin??

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Spidey, 1/18/2013 6:09:33 AM     (No. 9123582)

People have a Constitutional right to petition the government on the redress of anything.People aren´t crackpots behind these petitions,they are normal, level headed people that are watching their beloved country being destroyed by a Manchurian muslim/commie.

People are scared of the rank stupidity of people who support Obama,largely because they think a jackpot of money is coming. What good is money if there´s no structure in place to buy anything? Thurston Howell had millions but it was useless on Gilligan´s island.

Obama has borrowed $6 trillion to spread the wealth and stimulate the economy and the results have been that people are poorer and the economy is stagnate.$6 trillion is an enormous amount of money to simply vanish.

Where the money is really going is the accounts of the ruling class elites who will be in charge after transformation.Forget the fact most of the wealth is on paper and could vanish at the drop of a hat.

Obama could take over the banks by saying they´re not serving the needs of the people and are only interested in profit. Never mind that it´s his cronies that are running banking,paying themselves huge salaries and bonuses.They can´t even keep track of where their mansions,sports cars and yachts are.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: steveW, 1/18/2013 6:13:57 AM     (No. 9123588)

There is going to be an increasing split between Blue State and Red State America. Blue States will increasingly demand a larger share of the Red State pie, for "fairness". Red States will increasingly demand that Blue States just leave them alone.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Chabis, 1/18/2013 6:19:12 AM     (No. 9123595)

Divorce courts have long recognized the legitimacy of irreconcilable differences. There are coming to be two totally different peoples in what was once a single nation. That this also occurred in the 1860s only to have one of those groups crushed does not in itself justify or legitimize that crushing or make such a divorce itself illegitimate. -No more than it is just to force a woman to live under the thumb of a tyrant nor a husband to continue forever to pay the bills if a profligate wife.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: gator, 1/18/2013 7:01:04 AM     (No. 9123632)

"This is the sort of thing that can easily be dismissed as the domain of crackpots."

Yes, Crackpots like the Founding Fathers.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: mws50, 1/18/2013 7:12:12 AM     (No. 9123653)

This is a stupid commentary. Jonathan starts with a false premise (No less a source than Abraham Lincoln can be cited to tell us that “in contemplation of universal law and of the Constitution the Union of these States is perpetual.”) and builds on it.

Free clue Jonathan: Lincoln made an assumption that is nowhere in our Constitution or our Declaration of Independence. In fact, our Declaration of Independence clearly lays out the method and the reason to leave this Union.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: M2, 1/18/2013 7:19:07 AM     (No. 9123670)

Mr. Tobin is characterizing secessionists as crackpots who are just cheesed off that Obama won:

The idea that the losers in a presidential election—such as southern advocates of slavery in 1860—could be justified in dissolving the union is contrary to the Constitution as well as to any sense of patriotism.

We want to secede not because we´re in a snit that we lost the Presidential election. We are majorly angry, as #2 so astutely noted, that the POTUS is out of control, is trashing the Constitution, is not playing by the rules and persists in leveling the playing field by chicanery and outright criminal actions and character assassination.

In the old days, Tobin would have been right, but things have changed too much. We now have utterly irreconcilable differences we cannot simply allow to ignore. How do you wait around for the next election when you know the Left is working around the clock again to jury-rig voting software and voting machines?

How do you play nice when this POTUS has shown no reluctance whatsoever to use the media to lie and to lie himself about everything he has done, is doing and plans to do?

No, Mr. Tobin, not this time. Secession is a movement whose time has come and calling us "crackpots" and saying we lack patriotism no longer works, just as our Representative Republic no longer works under the present stewardship.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: O.S. Banker, 1/18/2013 7:54:13 AM     (No. 9123720)

Since Mr. To in failed his American History class, allow me to provide a brief primer.

DOI (Declaration of Independence paragraph 2, sentences 2 and 3 read: That to secure theses rights, Governments are instuted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, instituting new Government .......

Our founding was based on the idea that we, the people have a right to redress against a repressive government. Ideally, that right would be respected by agents of the government and the resolution cane be effected peacefully. However we know from experience that peaceful dissolution is usually the last recourse.

Second issue, Mr. Obama´s stated refusal to enforce existing law (voter intimidation, illegal gun running by federal agencies, defence of marriage act) and his willingness to use executive orders to evade constitutional restrictions leave law abiding citizens little choice.



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Reply 10 - Posted by: slipstik, 1/18/2013 7:57:19 AM     (No. 9123725)

I guess nobody got around to telling Mr. Tobin that the Constitution is now a bathmat, the republic a gutted shell, and we now have an imperial ruler. The great experiment has failed. We have allowed the rise of a "political class" which has manipulated us into this position through power hunger, greed, and self- aggrandizement. The final collapse is coming and it won´t be pretty. We are all about to go down with the ship. There will be few survivors once this economy crashes. I could see our ruler throwing us on the mercy of the UN. What a sight that will be. We owe it to ourselves for not having kept an active eye on the politics of our once great nation.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: StormCnter, 1/18/2013 8:00:20 AM     (No. 9123731)

The idea of secession is a pipe-dream for those who don´t want to have to make hard decisions and work to achieve better results. How lovely it would be if Texas withdrew from the US and again became a sovereign nation. I agree with the loveliness of the theory. But that´s all it can be, at least in the present. Signing a secession petion is a feel-good gesture accomplishing nothing at all beyond the feeling good.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: bubby, 1/18/2013 8:06:23 AM     (No. 9123741)

FTA "One should never throw words like treason around loosely since it has a specific definition that does not apply to offenses that fall short of “making war on the United States.”" Treason no longer exists in this country as a concept. If it was Senator Ted Kennedy would have been tried and convicted for going to the Russians and trying to destroy President Reagan´s defense of America. The overthrow of a country doesn´t have to just involve acts of violence. I guess Tobin never read the book Confederates in the Attic.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: StormCnter, 1/18/2013 8:21:29 AM     (No. 9123795)

I´ve read, enjoyed and recommended "Confederates in the Attic". But it´s primarily about dreamers, sincere dedicated people, but dreamers.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: STLstudent, 1/18/2013 8:38:16 AM     (No. 9123838)

It is ironic that this writer would appeal to the Constitution as a primary reason that secessionist not an option. He thereby misses a primary point. All three branches of the federal government continuously violate the Constitution and thus render secession to be a morally and intellectually viable option.

When the federal government violates the Constitution, it violates the terms of the contract between itself and the fifty states.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: JimS, 1/18/2013 8:56:53 AM     (No. 9123893)

Tobin tips his hand in the 1st sentence.
"I rarely find myself in complete agreement with anything that comes out of the Obama administration."

I (and most readers on this Forum) can say that I almost NEVER agree with ANYTHING that this Administration has proposed or done. I say almost never only because there might be a post office naming that I don´t oppose or care about.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Chuzzles, 1/18/2013 9:05:36 AM     (No. 9123925)

#11 needs to read #9. It isn´t a pipe dream, the DOI is a legal document that says We the People have the right to wipe the slate clean and start over. But unfortunately, too many people haven´t been educated in their history of the founding of this country.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: tank, 1/18/2013 9:14:53 AM     (No. 9123953)

I wjust having this discussion with my wife last night. Indeed, such things as secession, armed insurrection, nullification of Federal Law by the States, etc. are extreme, but they are not crazy. Radical in this country is part of our makeup, and I encourage it from both sides.

If you believe in the Constitution and our system of balanced government, these items must be on the table, no matter how extreme they may seem at some times. There has to be a healthy tension that exists between not only the three brnches of the Federal Government, but the States and the Feds, and of course, the People trump all. You may not want to take up arms against the government, but it is a remote possibility. The States may not ever secede, but it must be a tool in their arsenal. If 50% of the state legislatures recommended secession, it could be a tool to force the Federal Government to change peacably. Or it could, ultimately, mean war.

It´s gotta be on the table.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: MattMusson, 1/18/2013 9:17:17 AM     (No. 9123963)

Note: only a tiny minority of people supported the Russian Revolution.

Food for thought: Does anyone believe Texas would be worse off as an independent nation?

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Reply 19 - Posted by: dolphin, 1/18/2013 9:29:48 AM     (No. 9123999)

None of this is about the Constitution, guns or secession. It is about how much they hate us. The one thing that was said during the campaign that summarizes their feelings is the "vote for revenge" comment. They have in common with Al Qaida that nothing short of our demise will do. We have no defense against that. We are traitors to their cause because we breathe.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Felixcat, 1/18/2013 9:33:09 AM     (No. 9124014)

The Southern states had every right to secede (ufortunately their desire to keep slavery really sullied their argument) - they were not destroying the union - just leaving it.

In hindisght, 150 years late, (most) everyones agrees that Lincoln, through the use of an executive order was probably justified in suspending habeas corpus, but at that time - I doubt it was so well received and what if today a President decided to suspend some Constituional guarantee of due process? hmmm - I guess we will just "have to make hard decisions and work to achieve better results."

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Reply 21 - Posted by: kate318, 1/18/2013 9:35:04 AM     (No. 9124022)

To those who say secession, whether peaceful or not, is a pipe dream and will never happen, you just keep whistling past that graveyard.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: FunOne, 1/18/2013 9:45:26 AM     (No. 9124050)

Many good, well thought out comments.

Actually, #21, the Constitution of the Confederate States admitted that slavery would have to end. We can all agree that slavery is repugnant, but the reason Lincoln gave to engage in a war that killed 600,000 Americans was to "save the union". The "free the slaves" rationale did not appear until two years into the war.

When the Federals won the conflict, the stage was set for a government to grow and impose itself on all aspects of American life. I fear it will only get worse.

If at first you don´t secede, try, try again.



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Reply 23 - Posted by: FunOne, 1/18/2013 9:57:52 AM     (No. 9124088)

Sorry for the second post, but perhaps it is noteworthy that tomorrow marks the anniversary of the Secession of Georgia (1-19-1861), and the birthday of General Robert E. Lee, and Monday is the birthday of General Thomas J. Jackson.

Decades ago, Lee-Jackson day was an official state holiday in Virginia, recognizing the birth of her two sons. Are there any other L-dotters old enough to remember Lee-Jackson day?

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Reply 24 - Posted by: JHHolliday, 1/18/2013 10:51:01 AM     (No. 9124204)

I certainly remember #25. Lee-Jackson Day was merged with MLK day in 1983. Quite a stretch of political correctness there!

It´s still in effect but as Lee-Jackson-King Day in Virginia.

Lincoln only wanted to keep the union together and did so by making war against his fellow Americans who only wanted to be left alone (Bashar Assad must have been taking history notes from Lincoln,

And yes, the Confederate Constitution forbad the further importation of slaves. The intent was to let slavery die a natural death and to mollify the union extremists calling for war.

The Union had to go to war for fiscal reasons. They would have lost all the warm water ports and 90% of the tariffs the government ran on not to mention the Union business interests that would suffer. The North went to war basically for money.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Razorgirl, 1/18/2013 11:10:43 AM     (No. 9124262)

Three years ago I clipped a quote from an Ldot comment (sorry I didn´t save who it was or what they were commenting on) that said the following: "In essence, if the government does not follow the Constitution, then we are under no obligation to obey the federal government." At what point do we stop obeying the federal government? Is it time?

All these petitions to secede are just for making a point. A state does not request permission to secede, they just do it. Texas, having access to the Gulf and being a border state, plus an $8 billion surplus would be the perfect example to form their own Republic. They also have army and air force bases that would be the foundation for their own military. Those of us who are land-locked, like my state, wouldn´t fair so well, unless Oklahoma and Louisiana decided to go too. Hmm. That would mean Louisiana and Arkansas would have to leave the SEC and play Oklahoma and Texas. OK, I can go for that.

Picture this: Rick Perry goes on Facebook to change Texas´ status from State to Independent Republic. I like it.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: typhoon, 1/18/2013 12:35:48 PM     (No. 9124558)

The undercurrent for secession is growing daily, and those favoring it are the ones who have guns and know how to use them.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Susannah, 1/18/2013 1:45:33 PM     (No. 9124750)

Whom do you plan to shoot? Neighbors, old friends, and relatives who might not be pro-secession?

There are no "red states" and "blue states." 41.34% of Texans voted for Obama. I´d guess they´re perfectly happy to stay in the Union. So will they be forced out of Texas at gunpoint? Shot on sight? Imprisoned?

Are you willing to kill a son, a mother, a father, a daughter of yours who doesn´t hold pro-secession views?

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Reply 28 - Posted by: TulsaTowner, 1/18/2013 1:55:08 PM     (No. 9124772)

Maybe the question should be ´would Obama be willing to kill those who do´?

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Gretchen, 1/18/2013 3:57:56 PM     (No. 9125005)

#29 asks some pertinent questions. Those are the same questions that were being asked before the Civil War, I´m sure.

The point is, at what point do citizens decide to accept the yoke of tyranny, or, fight against it? We are fast approaching this valley of decision, I fear.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: saguni, 1/18/2013 6:26:25 PM     (No. 9125281)

Over thirty posts and no one has mentioned the major flaw in this article.

Tobin repeatedly refers to our country as a "democracy" 0bama governs as if our republic is a democracy, as if his 50% +1 vote entitles him to trample not only on our Bill of Rights, but our whole form of government. "I won" does not mean that we have to accept whatever edict 0bama decides to pronounce, bypassing both the Congress and Judicial Review.


Remember that famous Franklin quote, when a woman asked ´what kind of government have you given us?´ Ben answered, "A republic, if you can keep it."

A democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding who is for dinner, in a republic the minority retains civil rights, no matter how ´small´ the minority is compared to the majority, our republic has three equal branches of government, not a monarch.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: typhoon, 1/18/2013 6:33:51 PM     (No. 9125299)

I have news for you #29. I suggest you learn to read. I did not say one thing about shooting anyone.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: KTWO, 1/18/2013 6:55:05 PM     (No. 9125337)

IMO the issue of secession is not answered by the Constitution.

The 10th Amendment seems the most applicable:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

And it seems to allow separation. Arguing about the meaning of the word "union" is, to me not important. A union can be ended and to say otherwise seems clever but mistaken.

I think the South could have politically achieved a peaceful secession had it been patient. But to be blunt, the Southern leaders went bonkers about the election of Lincoln. And after that there was no reasoning with them.


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In a meeting with the heads of the five service branches in 2010, President Obama offered the leaders a choice: Support my efforts to end the military’s Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy, or resign. In a video obtained by BuzzFeed via a Freedom of Information Act request, Coast Guard Commandant Adm. Robert Papp revealed that Obama was unwilling to compromise with service leaders over DADT during a meeting in 2010. “We were called into the Oval Office and President Obama looked all five service chiefs in the eye and said, ‘This is what I want to do.’ I cannot divulge everything

The Most Un-American Speech
Barack Obama Has Ever Delivered

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PJ Media, by Bryan Preston    Original Article
Posted By: Dreadnought- 4/1/2014 8:18:49 PM     Post Reply
Before getting to the speech itself, it’s worth noting a few things. When the Democrats passed and Barack Obama signed Obamacare, the majority opposed it. About 56%, in fact. A majority have consistently opposed that law ever since. The Obama administration touted 7 million sign-ups by March 31 as “success.” When that goal appeared to be unreachable, the administration suggested that maybe 5 or 6 million would be enough. Now, as if by magic, they have their number. Somehow. All along, the administration has touted false numbers of enrollees. All along, the administration has neglected to admit that Obamacare is

Exclusive: Michelle Walks Out
As Obama Divorce Battle Explodes!

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National Enquirer, by Steve Herz    Original Article
Posted By: PageTurner- 4/1/2014 10:14:46 PM     Post Reply
IN a major behind-the-scenes blowout, President BARACK OBAMA and first lady MICHELLE waged their worst White House fight ever over her lavish vacation trip to China! Sources tell The ENQUIRER that Obama exploded when Mi­chelle refused to cancel her pricey getaway – even after White House advisers warned him that the first couple’s six-year string of extravagant vacations had already drained the U.S. Trea­sury of a whopping $150 million in tax­payers’ money. Instead of postpon­ing her trip, a furious Michelle – still seeth­ing over the embarrassing “selfie” Barack recently snapped with a leggy blonde head of state –

Seven Million? Who Does the Obama
White House Think They’re Fooling?

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PJ Media, by Bryan Preston    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/1/2014 1:12:14 PM     Post Reply
A few months back, HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius stated for the record that 7 million Obamacare sign-ups by the end of March would constitute success. She was clear about it. But then February came, and February always stinks. It’s just a lousy month. You’re tired of winter, you’re still miles away from spring, and no one was signing up for Obamacare. That 7 million figure looked totally unreachable. So Sebelius does what every other member of the Obama administration does when confronted with inconvenient facts. She lied. In a Tuesday appearance on HuffPost Live to discuss outreach to African American communities,

Pelosi gets Pope Francis-blessed
rosary from Obama

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Washington Times (D.C.), by Dave Boyer    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/1/2014 3:03:55 PM     Post Reply
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, criticized last year by a Vatican official for her support of abortion, received a rosary Tuesday from President Obama that was blessed by Pope Francis. Mrs. Pelosi told reporters of the president’s gift after having lunch with Mr. Obama at the White House. The president met with the pope last week at the Vatican. “I was happy to receive a rosary blessed by Pope Francis,” she said. “It means a great deal to me.” Last year, a Vatican official in Rome said that Mrs. Pelosi should be denied communion. “This is a person who obstinately,

´The debate over repealing this law is over´:
Obama boasts 7.1 MILLION have signed up
to Obamacare - but study shows just 858,000
newly insured Americans have paid up!

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Daily Mail [UK], by David Martosko    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/1/2014 5:21:43 PM     Post Reply
A triumphant President Barack Obama declared his signature medical insurance overhaul a success, saying it has made America´s health care system ´a lot better.´ But buried in the 7.1 million enrollments he announced in a heavily staged Rose Garden appearance is a more unsettling reality. Numbers from a RAND Corporation study that has been kept under wraps suggest that barely 858,000 previously uninsured Americans – nowhere near 7.1 million – have paid for new policies and joined the ranks of the insured by Monday night. Others were already insured, including millions who lost coverage when their existing policies were suddenly

Study: Obama and the Democrats Disrupted
the Whole Healthcare Industry for Just
Two Million Uninsured

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PJ Media, by Bryan Preston    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 3/31/2014 8:29:22 PM     Post Reply
A RAND study pours buckets of cold water on the Obama administration’s claims that it has nearly reached 7 million sign-ups for Obamacare. The whole point of Obamacare, supposedly, was to insure the uninsured and bend the cost curve down. Those who had insurance were supposed to be able to keep it. Families were supposed to start saving about $2500 a year. If you believed the Obama administration. Reality, according to RAND‘s study, is that the Obama administration’s 7 million figure is deceptive. Supposing 7 million have actually signed up and paid their first premium — which is not a given,

5 Reasons Why Republicans
Should Say No to Jeb 2016

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Daily Beast, by Myra Adams    Original Article
Posted By: tisHimself- 4/2/2014 6:39:16 AM     Post Reply
With Chris Christie in deep trouble, Republican poobahs are reportedly looking to Jeb Bush to save their party in 2016. The former two-term governor of Florida speaks fluent Spanish, is a convert to Catholicism, and has high name recognition. Jeb could raise millions of dollars over night by just saying “yes” to running. Despite all this, there are strong reasons Republicans should say no to him. 1. His last name is poison. Let’s face it, if Jeb Bush had the last name of Something Else he would have already run for president in 2008 or 2012. According to a recent Washington Post/ABC News poll registered voters were asked if they would definitely NOT vote for Jeb Bush and 50 percent said they would not.

Historians claim to have
recovered Holy Grail

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New York Post, by Bob Fredericks    Original Article
Posted By: mitzi- 3/31/2014 6:30:59 PM     Post Reply
Spanish historians say they have discovered what Monty Python could not – the Holy Grail, the legendary cup Jesus supposedly drank from at the Last Supper. The Spaniards – Margarita Torres and José Ortega del Río – believe the 2,000-year-old vessel is in a church in León in northern Spain. The pair spent three years studying the history of the chalice and last week published a book, “The Kings of the Grail,” making their case. The onyx chalice, they explained, was concealed within another antique vessel known as the Chalice of Doña Urruca, which is located in León’s basilica of

GM Recall Scandal Goes
Straight to the White House

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Breitbart´s Big Government, by Joel B. Pollak    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/1/2014 11:59:25 AM     Post Reply
New General Motors CEO Mary Barra will testify before Congress Tuesday about why it took so long for GM to issue product safety recalls involving faulty ignition switches that caused air bags to fail in crashes, contributing to thirteen deaths. She will testify alongside David Friedman, the acting head of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), who will be expected to explain why the government did not act sooner. They ought to be accompanied by former Secretary of Transportation Ray LaHood, as well as "car czars" Steven Rattner and Ron Bloom, together with White House and Treasury officials who oversaw

Defense Secretary ´Looking´ at Banning
Tobacco Sales at Military Installations

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Weekly Standard, by Daniel Halper    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/2/2014 5:23:20 AM     Post Reply
Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel is "looking" at banning the sale of tobacco at military installations. According to one military publication, Hagel appears to support it. "As the Navy considers banning tobacco sales on all bases and ships, Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel gave a strong endorsement of the review Monday, and suggested that he would be in favor of a ban," reports Stars and Stripes. “I don’t know if there’s anybody in America who still thinks that tobacco is good for you,” Stars and Stripes quotes Hagel as saying. “We don’t allow smoking in any of our government buildings. Restaurants, states, [and]

Jenny McCarthy and Sherri
Shepherd Go Topless on The View

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Mediaite, by Matt Wilstein    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 3/31/2014 8:41:53 PM     Post Reply
Monday morning’s episide of The View ended with an unexpected surprise. During the “What’s Pop’n” segment, hosts Jenny McCarthy and Sherri Shepherd showed a scandalous clip for a recent episode of HBO’s Girls to demonstrate that “not everyone has body issues.” Then, they boldly went where no hosts of The View have gone before. “Lena, she gets press every week for being naked, we’re jumping on the bandwagon,” Shepherd told the cheering audience before asking McCarthy, “Why is my big black box so much bigger yours?” What exactly are The View producers trying to say? Watch video below, via ABC:


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