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Lawsuit to block punishment
of Penn State must be dropped

New York Daily News, by Editorial

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Posted By:MissMolly, 1/6/2013 5:50:27 AM

There is not the slightest doubt that Penn State’s football program enabled Jerry Sandusky to sexually abuse numerous children for numerous years. The evidence is beyond overwhelming. Sandusky has been tried, convicted and imprisoned. Former university President Graham Spanier, athletic director Tim Curley and Vice President Gary Schultz have been charged with criminal coverups. The school was ever so lucky that the NCAA withheld the death penalty from its football fund-raising colossus. Still, Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Corbett has filed a federal lawsuit to get his flagship university out from under those penalties that the NCAA did bring to bear.


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Johnny Angle, 1/6/2013 6:06:14 AM     (No. 9101093)

Clearly the NCAA overreached. Also, the NCAA is the ultimate hypocrite, with its monopolistic plantation system of athletic slavery of young athletes. On the other hand, though, didn´t the University "sign all the papers" and thereby seal its fate, no matter how inappropriate the sanctions were?

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Spidey, 1/6/2013 6:19:31 AM     (No. 9101103)

Hmmmmmmmmm..I´m not sure Corbett as the sitting governor should be the point man on this lawsuit.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: suedotsue, 1/6/2013 6:25:36 AM     (No. 9101109)

Most people didn´t think Penn St. would get the NCAA death penalty, so one wouldn´t describe them as oh so lucky to have escaped it. The 2nd most high profile person in this case, P.S. Pres. Graham Spanier, is by no means suffering so maybe NYDN could check it out. Spanier was hired by Obama shortly after he was forced out of P.S. Spanier is being paid by the US taxpayer, working for a ´top secret´ federal agency on high security matters. I´d say this places all Americans in serious danger.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Patchy Groundfog, 1/6/2013 6:32:44 AM     (No. 9101112)

The NCAA have yet to prove that they should somehow be involved in a criminal matter.

It´s no surprise that the NY Daily News would support unaccountable bureaucrats throwing their weight around given their love of DC.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Janjan, 1/6/2013 6:34:19 AM     (No. 9101113)

I think the punishment by the NCAA was over the top. It wasn´t the football program that caused this horrible history of child molestation and cover-up. It was the people running it. There should not be anyone left on that campus who had any involvement whatsoever to do with this and of the most guilty one is in prison and one is dead. Why punish the students, athletes and community for something they are innocent of? The NCAA did this for their own PR.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Sfacheem, 1/6/2013 6:35:51 AM     (No. 9101115)

@#1: "monopolistic plantation system of athletic slavery of young athletes."

You´ve got to be kidding me, right? This is a joke, right? Tuition, room and board at these schools is around $50K per year and these D-1 athletes are going for free. That´s a $200,000 education--FREE of charge because they can play a sport and you equate this to slavery? Do you even know what "slavery" is?

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Reply 7 - Posted by: StormCnter, 1/6/2013 6:46:25 AM     (No. 9101130)

Thanks, #6, you beat me to it and said it better.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: IowaDad, 1/6/2013 7:01:47 AM     (No. 9101137)

Heinous crimes were committed. Severe punishment has been delivered.

So why can´t kids at Penn State play a full slate of football for the next four years?

If similar circumstances had occurred at a less prestigious football school, I seriously doubt if the press or the NCAA would have been roused to action.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: beca, 1/6/2013 7:15:49 AM     (No. 9101153)

i dont like the ncaa..........the people responsible need to be punished...not those who had absolutely NOTHING to do with it.....i say ty governor

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Reply 10 - Posted by: BruisedOrange, 1/6/2013 7:43:05 AM     (No. 9101196)

Is there anyone still at Penn State who knowingly covered up or ignored what was going on?
Then who is being punished?

Was there ever any "wink-wink" among Penn State fans: aware, but willing to turn their heads?
Then who is being punished?

Is there any person involved who is not either in prison now or under prosecution?
Then who at Penn State is being punished?

The current sanctions are in place to benefit the NCAA´s public image--no other reason that I can see.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Chuzzles, 1/6/2013 7:59:15 AM     (No. 9101215)

Posters here are forgetting something. The players had the chance to leave! They had the option to play for a different school if they so wished and if they choose to stay then it is on their heads. The school enabled horrible crimes against kids. Some people hear sound like they are ok with that. The NCAA went easy on this school in my opinion.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: NJVol, 1/6/2013 8:02:08 AM     (No. 9101224)

#6, did you see the hit South Carolina´s Jadaveon Clowney put on a Michigan player to cause a fumble and get the ball back after the ref mistakenly awarded a first down to the Wolverines? I bet he would be a first round pick if he could declare for the draft, but he can´t: due to NCAA and NFL regulations, he has to play another year, risking injury and beaucoup bucks. For that and 500 other reasons, I despise, well at least I really don´t like, the NCAA.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: nonsense, 1/6/2013 8:42:02 AM     (No. 9101284)

I´m not a football fan, but even I can tell from the rumblings that the Left is out to banish the game of football from the American scene.

You know how the Left hates anyone getting injured, unless they are doing the damage themselves.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: TunnelRat, 1/6/2013 8:45:44 AM     (No. 9101291)

Indeed, #11, the players had a chance to leave, and some of them did. On the other hand, some chose not to abandon the ones who had recruited them and had given them a chance to play at the collegiate level.

Character matters, and I have only the greatest respect for those players who chose to remain in the face of adversity. I found myself cheering for the underdog Nittany Lions all season long.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: JimS, 1/6/2013 9:06:59 AM     (No. 9101332)

Some posters here are not aware of all the facts, and the Freeh Report had a pre-ordained outcome--blame Penn State.
In 1998, Sandusky was observed showering with a juvenile in the locker room by a school security guard. The guard reported it to his superior, who reported it to Centre County police. The Centre County DA and police conducted an investigation but found no complainants and no charges were filed. Sandusky retired from Penn State football in 1998, and thereafter had no official capacity or rule at PS. He continued to attend games and use the facilities, however, just as any retiree or alumnus would.

I am not saying that PS is blameless here. After 1998 they should have exiled him from the university, and when new allegations occurred in 2010, they should have gone public.

But why are we penalizing by PS by forfeiting all their wins back to 1998, fining them (and the state taxpayers) by $60-million, cutting their scholarships, banning them from bowl games, etc., when Centre County police and DA dropped the ball? Even if they filed no charges back then, they should have kept Sandusky under surveillance.

The NCAA is bullying PS, just as they are bullying schools with Indian names for their mascots to change them.

Yes, the $60-million fine is against the University. But as a state-funded institution, it really is levied against the PA taxpayer--and that really galls me.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Redbone, 1/6/2013 9:13:30 AM     (No. 9101345)

State Penn covered up criminal activity and is being punished for it. State Penn´s entire campus and town is built around the stadium. Take away football and you have a true and convincing punishment, not a slap on the wrist. To challenge that decision shows that State Penn is still corrupt to the core. And while we´re prosecuting felons, might want to take a look at State Penn´s climatology program headed by Mike Mann.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: noproblems, 1/6/2013 9:41:18 AM     (No. 9101393)

and the pork to NY and NJ disguised as relief must also be stopped.

when will arrogant new yorkers understand that no one cares what they think in fly over land. The cultural rot coming out of NY does not go unnoticed

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Reply 18 - Posted by: IdahoJoe, 1/6/2013 10:43:29 AM     (No. 9101486)

There are two purposes behind penalties. One is punishment. I agree that the perpetrators are not the ones being punished in this case. The second purpose is to deter anyone from doing that again. Officials closed their eyes to things because they thought it was in the best interest of the team. Sometimes you use punishment to make an example so that no one ever again thinks that it would be best to ignore such behavior. Removing the penalties at this stage would send a signal that such dastardly deeds are OK to ignore.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: MattMusson, 1/6/2013 10:52:38 AM     (No. 9101496)

You get the death penalty for faking grades, paying players and lying about it.

Is Penn State saying they should not be punished because what they did was much much worse than common infractions?

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Reply 20 - Posted by: right-turn, 1/6/2013 11:07:24 AM     (No. 9101517)

Simple fact .... Penn State is not guilty of anything. Individuals at Penn State are guilty beyond doubt. They are the ones who should be punished.

There is no reason to punish the innocent students, teachers and others not a part of the problem. None at all so why punish them?

Another stupid decision by power mad people in my opinion.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: edgar, 1/6/2013 11:11:37 AM     (No. 9101524)

Will NYT have the same opinion if Elmo and PBS are sanctioned for employee molesting children? Hmmm, don´t think so.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: fayebeck, 1/6/2013 11:37:48 AM     (No. 9101566)

Leave it to a Republican governor to do something this stupid.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: lakerman1, 1/6/2013 12:39:51 PM     (No. 9101663)

When the initial investigation was taking place, the Centre County DA went missing, and has since been declared dead. One could surmise that had he not disappeared, the matter would have been taken care of.
The NCAA overreached by a mile on this one. If they can get away with their brand of justice, the sky will be the limit for them.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: jackburton, 1/6/2013 1:41:36 PM     (No. 9101743)

I don´t believe in the little commissars that are springing up, the little czars. Who gave them this power?

Punish the guilty but leave the innocent alone! The fans, the university and the State did not participate. Death penalties on football programs are for football violations. Did we figure out what school Ken Lay went to and penalize that football program?

Diverting money and sources of revenues from the university and the state is wrong. Stop the NCAA.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: absalom, 1/6/2013 1:53:57 PM     (No. 9101762)

The NCAA is an administrative entity w/o any judicial power. As such, it´s actions against Penn State are unsupportable under the law. Corbett has a winning hand here.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: Polecat49, 1/6/2013 2:45:31 PM     (No. 9101815)

Who the H-LL is the ny daily news to say who can file for a lawsuit or not? Oh, I guess that only liberal, socialist, communist, democRAT politicians are now allowed to try for redress of transcretions in the U, S, Court System.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: KTWO, 1/6/2013 3:30:55 PM     (No. 9101859)

I am content to let the lawsuit go forward to see what happens and also to see what, if any, new evidence is presented.

1) We will learn what clout the NCAA has. Things such as past NCAA behavior, their formal rules, and membership.

2) Could the NCAA have expelled PS? That would IMO have caused other schools to refuse to play PS.

3) Professional baseball and, I believe, the NFL and NBA have some exceptions to federal laws that apply to ordinary businesses. But they are professional sports, what federal exceptions do the NCAA and PS and other universities have? Will the court dream up any?

4) Did PS create a contract, formal or not, with their players? Would a player therefore be entitled to his scholarship even if PS cannot field a team at all?

Those four are starter thoughts. And I like to keep lawyers employed. Let the suit continue.

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Senate majority leader Harry Reid has a whole page on his official Senate.gov website devoted to revealing "THE FACTS ABOUT THE KOCH BROTHERS." One of the alleged facts promoted on Reid´s website is that the Kochs do not pay any corporate taxes: “They are known for bankrolling conservative, Libertarian and Tea Party causes and became poster boys for corporate tax reform last year when an Obama Administration official suggested Koch is organized as an S Corp. and so pays no corporate level taxes.” The claim that the Koch brothers don´t pay corporate income taxes was first made by former White House official

Benghazi Might Be Fox’s MH370,
and This Morning Fox Went to Town

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Mediaite, by Evan McMurry    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/2/2014 3:38:08 PM     Post Reply
CNN has taken a lot of heat–and rightly so!–for its obsessive reporting on missing flight MH370, which has often come at the detriment of more pressing or substantive stories. But no less ridiculous is Fox News’ #Benghazi fixation, which was in full fever Wednesday morning as the network devoted three hours and thirty-eight minutes of continual coverage of a Benghazi congressional hearing. Benghazi has long been Fox’s fallback, less a news story than a sort of epistemological wound that can never close simply because conservatives refuse to accept conclusions about the events of September 11, 2012 that don’t conform to

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