Boehner has to GO.

obama gave a speech today and has that arrogant condescending look of of his.

Boehner must be giving away the store.

Are these clowns forgetting or just ignoring Article I, Section 7 of the U.S. Constitution?

When HHS is handing out +$ 50T in Discretionary Grants each year.. and have already added $ 4T for 2013, it´s time for a massive federal audit of ALL dept´s.

I never heard or read any discussions of trillion $$ expenditures prior to Obama... His legacy is to have made a trillion $$ seem as common as a $20 bill.

Nasty ´conservative´ twits cannot support their leader and just which one of them could handle the flapeared one. John has done the best he could, considering what he has to work with - the prez and the senate are both dims and I thought John´s plan was a good one. Trash the prez, he deserves it and I have nothing but contempt for the feckless pubbies who are being so despicable.

Uh, "nasty" is a Speaker who lets conservative committee members find out in the press they have been kicked off those committees. What a stupid classless thing to do. Great way to build the loyalty he now demands. We are in too much trouble to allow such a weak leader. Bet he won´t turn down his raise either.

"Nasty Conservative twits", gee how pleasant is THAT? Wow!

No surprise from the liberal #5!

The sequester (spending cuts) are supposed to start tomorrow. DO IT!!!!

Take it up Friday morning as HR 1. If I remember correctly, the House must adjourn which ends the 112th Congress and all unpassed bills die. Therefore the Senate amended House Bill just passed is dead and the 113th Congress convenes on Friday. The first order of business should be HR 1 which is the House response to the termination of the Bush Tax cuts. It should be titled in some way as being the Bush Tax cuts and contain spending cuts on a three to one ratio which Obama has supported but never done.

Additionally, the tax cuts should "Trigger" ONLY upon implementation, through Law, the changes necessary to meet the spending cuts.
There also would be no new money such as the "Sandy" Christmas Tree bill without corresponding spending cuts. The only way that this can be done is through "Entitlement Reform". Enforce "Regular Order".

Semper Fi

Guys and gals... please... patience. The real leverage will come when we hit the debt ceiling. That´s when we need to hold ground on spending cuts. The Dems won very little in this round. The revenue increase is purely symbolic.

Vote it down and make this Administrstion and the Senate pass a budget this year, for once.

There are no spending cuts in this bill. The question is, "Do the Republicans (under Boehner) really want spending cuts?

Of course he can´t, because this so called "deal" doesn´t pass the sniff test...something really stinks and the normal half of America knows it!

And did the purists get out the vote?

NO

Now they are demanding purity? Guess they didn´t notice that the maoist was re-elected.

We lost senate seats and house seats.

Let´s slam our side as if somehow it´s all their fault.

Grow up and get in the real world.

Frankly, I don´t care if people earning over $400,000 get their taxes raised. They didn´t get out the vote either. Probably voted for O.

Guess the loudmouths who earn millions of dollars think the rest of the country should go to he(( on their behalf.

I´m no Boehner apologist (I think he should go), but #5 may have an inadvertent point:

´´John´´ HAS done the best HE could, with what he comes to the party with.... which is not good enough to be Speaker of the House. He is the epitome of RINO. He is awarded the Speakership each term out of respect, which is waning rapidly. His tenure in the House cannot be enough to keep him in this high position. He´s a wheeler-dealer (i.e., used car salesman), and we need warriors right now.

Boehner must go! He can´t stand up to Obama. We need a Speaker who can. Enough said!

There are 15 billion in cuts, (can´t remember what for), but there are over 620 billion dollars added to spending which is a 41:1 ratio.
Agree with posters who say Speaker Boehner has to go. He will not/ has not represented the powers of the House well against the power of the Executive. We need to have someone who stands by the Constitutional powers of the House and makes Obama aware of those powers. The good old boys and girls who have been there so long are the ones who have put our country in this position. Yes, we have voted them in over and over, but we have not been privy to all their back door deals. A congressman was on Fox the other day that said all budget committee meetings should be on CSPAN because once Americans saw all the wasted dollars being spent they would really be outraged.
We don´t need the wheeler-dealer types in leadership IF we want to keep the House in 2014. I have contacted my Congressman several times about the need for a new Speaker and will continue to do so until the vote for Speaker.

Thank you conservative GOP. Flip this deal into the trash.

It is sinful to take (emphasis on TAKE) a greater percentage of one person´s income than is taken from another. God´s standard was 10% from everyone. See how messed up things get when we depart from truth?
Gives birth to the "wheeler-dealer" mentality some seem to adore.

Perhaps the rest of the dense GOP´s will begin to realize this guy needs to GO! Now! He has brought us nothing and he is good only for a Kleenex ad!

The Medieval serfs paid 10 percent to the lord of the manor. What are we doing????????

We seem to have a few trolls from the left here today.

Well they didn´t go for plan B, not sure why they would go for this.

# 1 solved the problem w/ four words .

Because Boehner, like just about every Republican "leader" has proved himself to be a (richard) when it counts most.

Makes me really curious what else he´s done behind closed doors to screw you and me ....

To all of those asking us to just wait until the debit ceiling negotiations take place. That´s when we will get the spending cuts! I would like to welcome you to planet earth. And reality. For decades now, (Regan, Clinton, Bush 43) Republicans have been promised spending cuts in the future for a tax increase today. Just like I´ll pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today. It isn´t going to happen. Never has and never will. Not a long as there are enough Dims in the congress and WH to have ANY effect on any legislation. I, and most LDotters can predict exactly what will happen during the debit ceiling talks. More spending needed to stimulate the economy, no cuts to "entitlement" programs because that would hurt the "less advantaged", etc. And scream loud and long about the shear disaster that will happen if not given more money to spend.
Think about it.

I don´t want taxes raised, I don´t want more government in my life. But that issue was settled at the ballot box last November, at least for the next two years. If government activity is going to increase or remain high, it is the "duty" of citizens to pay their share of it. That would be all citizens. If the level of activity is too high and the average citizen is unhappy with the bill, well that´s what 2014 and 2016 is for-- that´s the next time ideology can rule the day. Until then, fight for fairness, which is all people paying their share.

The house GOP is totally dysfunctional and are reacting like wounded animals. They may perform a last great act of defiance but the end result will be their complete destruction. Standing defiant is a losing strategy and will only speed their demise. He who fights and moves away will live to fight another day.

What difference wqould a change of Speaker make at this point? Boehner can either get the votes or he cannot get the votes. Personally, I hope the House Republicans vote this down. I think citizens will, finally, begin to understand what the GOP is trying to do, end overspending. At some point the House has to say no. Let this be the time.

McConnell and Biden shaped this deal. Boehner was not there and not consulted. He has not consented to the terms of the deal.

The difference(s) a new Speaker would make include the ability to reset the discussion and bring different face to the discussion, not to mention someone with better political skills. Boehner has lost control - he blubbers on about a crisis, makes offers he needn´t make, whines he only controls one-half of one-third of the government, and fails to provide cogent opposition, instead immediately looking for "a deal", even when one is not necessarily forthcoming from his side of the court. If Obama can stand up there, nose in the air, and say a deal is dead, it´s time Republicans walk away. The House controls the pursestrings, including expenditures, revenues, and borrowing authority. Boehner nominally controls the House. I´m not convinced this is any but a kabuki dance that will eventually expand spending - every Congressman´s dream. I suspect Paul Ryan will be Speaker in the next Congress. Whoever, it had better not be John Boehner. He´s indeed done his best...it´s simply not good enough.

#5 sounds a lot like the conservatives he is attempting to describe. With Harry Reid as the lead ´nasty Democrat twit´ the bar is far too high for a mere Republican to ever reach.

It is not reaching too far to demand NO tax increase but insist on immediate spending cuts. That is the only action that will start things running in the right direction again, thanks to the piggish ways of One Barack Obama. Anything else only delays the inevitable crash.

The way I understand it there are complaints that there is no paper docs for the reps to read and analyze. There was a website post on Lucianne this AM but I´ve not been able to find it again. What I have found is read outs, but not the legal documents. Anyone have a site?

I agree with #30. The mere fact that so much of the "back & forth" has been behind closed doors has been just terrible, but none of us knows the exact reason.

The possibility exists that Boehner may have had no alternative{obama´s rules must be followed?} Or McConnell taking the initiative to call on Biden. To constantly be trashing both men is getting old and one wonders how many here are watching these activities in real time? Happy New Year!

Sorry #35-- both these men are ineffectual buffoons who are stage dressing for the class warfare from Dems. They must go! Let some else try--who could do worse?

Get rid of Boehner. Replace him with somebody with the backbone to stand up to the communists, opps I mean Democrats.

Republicans were set back this past election.
Obama and the Democrats completely understand this ,
the purists/ Limbaugh wing refuse to face reality.
Democrats gained two more seats in the Senate ,
effectively having a 55/45 majority in 3 weeks.
Barry was reelected by 5 million votes.
Republicans will have 8 less seats in 3 weeks and
it will only take a swing of 17 more Democrats
in 2014 to bring back Pelosi.
House Democrats received almost a million
more votes than House Republicans.
The Rasmussen poll yesterday of likely voters showed that Democrats
hold an 11 point lead over Republicans in a generic ballot.
Some Tea Party leader wrote a column after the election
bragging that hundreds of
thousands of Tea Party supporters did not vote for Romney in protest.
Always saying No and trashing Boehner might make the far right feel superior, but, what does it actually accomplish ?
Making Boehner the bad guy , instead of Obama , makes
the far right the ally of the left.
I´m waiting for the American Majority Action
( considering the election results, they should rename themselves the American Minority Action )
and it´s allies in Congress to propose a plan that would
get the support of Harry Reid , Pelosi ,
the Senate and the President.

#3 thank you for referring to the Constitution - I keep a copy beside the keyboard for quick reference - the House has the strong hand and with a stronger Speaker at the helm can assert it´s controls over the runaway executive branch. I am totally delighted that the small government/less taxes group of 50-60 in the Rs are standing up for what their constituents asked them to do [represent them].

He doesn´t need a majority of the GOP if the Democrats vote for it.

"No surprise from the liberal #5! "

No, not a liberal. Just a Republican serf in search of a master to bow before. The pickings have been pretty lean since the golden days of Most Noble House of Bush, but even a broken-down Marquis like little Boehner is better than nothing to these natural subordinates. And the thing is, they think THEY are the true conservatives, and the objectors are the traitors who are undermining natural order by not obediently doing as they´re told.

If Obama showed up at Boehner´s house on new years......little wussie Boehner would become a cuckhold.

May there be a majority with the guts to say no to the speaker. May the speaker be replaced by someone who cares about the people who actually pay taxes. Time actually mean Conservative.

#38. Since when did the conservatives become the FAR right?
Oh how I wish we had another Ronald Reagan.
The Bush family dragged the party leftward.
If smaller government, less tax and spend policy, a balanced budget, reducing the deficit, securing our border and greater adherance to the Constitution AS WRITTEN is FAR right in your mind, what do you consider a Republican to be?

Over the Cliff! The Democrats have show3n even more lies and mis-leading accusations. Republicans can only serve the nation by letting it go and saying to H--- with Øbama and the rotten Democrats! They get blamed either way, so might as well get some sort of good from it for the nation´s future. This has been building for a long, long time and now we have to step up and face the reality of the disaster our ignoramus voters and self-serving politicians have made of this once proud and wonderful government.

The fiscal cliff deal is a good deal for conservatives. It makes permanent the Bush tax cuts for those who make $400k/less. This is a victory where I come from. It permanently fixes the AMT issue. This is a victory where I come from. It brings permanency to the tax code - this is a victory where I come from. Those who make over $400k/year are not going to miss the extra dollars. The GOP did not win the 2012 election - we cannot govern the country with a bare GOP House Majority. We need to take and cut the best deals we can now and focus on victory in 2014-2020 period.

Hilarious to call #5 a lib. Where´ve you been? (You can call me a lib though as I am to the left of Atilla).

Funny, Pelosi had no problem standing up to and trashing Bush on a regular basis. Boehner must go and be replaced by someone with Pelosi´s balls.

Obama should be trashed 10 times a day, every day.

Boehner can´t/won´t play hardball, never has. Most Republicans play too nice to be effective against the more skilled rats. The rats know that what they say has no bearing on what they do, but they also know the MSM will back them, no matter what. Our next leader must have the "guts" (stronger word implied) to "go over the cliff," to let the government "shut down," to profess and UPHOLD the Constitution, and to tell the unpopular truth.

Is they do not, who needs ´em? If not now, with no election looming, when?

The House Republicans should refuse to ratify the presidential election due to the Democrats´ rampant election fraud, acceptance of foreign donations and ineligibility of their candidate to hold office.

The House holds the high cards in this game. Play them!

Reading the various posts does confirm one point. There is no Republican Party as in
support for America by putting away petty partisan demands with each faction screaming our way or the highway.
As a member almost from month 1 of LDOt site I will insist that #5 is not a liberal or the dimwit that has been pasted on him/her in this vicious thread.
It is sad that almost all threads now are to some degree vicious. Only when you drop the labels like RINO will any compromise be found.
The progressives are uncontested because they forced out all conservatives and moderates. you want to win by forcing out anyone not Conservative enough to meet your personal concepts of that status. That is impossible so you threaten to form your small voiceless no win parties and trudge on to victory( of what).
I am more an independent non extreme conservative both fiscal and social trying to live within the current unmelded alternate to progressive.
A Conservative who believes the Constitution not parties should govern. What are you?

The Chess Game goes on in Washington! -- Or, perhaps, better termed "the Shell Game"! First, our representatives have to hold their "mouths" just so! Otherwise, they won´t get reelected, and will have no say in the operation of our Government! They may/will lose important Committee Chairmanships! You gotta stay elected to do what is necessary to keep the Ship of State on an even keel! How to "stay elected" and still do what is right for the Country?? Power politics nobody really understands! John Boehner is doing a great job, actually, a fantastic job, even though the trend of events doesn´t seem to bear out such a judgement at the moment! It ain´t easy dealing with an intransigent Senate whose hold on POWER is the "be all to end all"! Power will always be used to increase power, otherwise, what is the use of power? John Boehner´s task is to use the House Majority to frustrate the Senate´s majority, and bring some sort of rationalization into American fiscal matters! Democracy and the Democratic process is, and always will be, a delicate balancing process! John Boehner is doing a bang-up job as will be seen as the New Year unfolds. Fully and completely supporting John Boehner and our GOP stalwarts, and that means you, the Tea Party, will lead America in a direction, slowly but surely, which will bring our Ship of state back on its course to Freedom, Truth, Honesty, and Good Governance! Communists, Socialists, and Obama can never last the course! Because their philosophies are directly against Human Nature, and its love of Freedom!! -- And the Right to Bear Arms!! Read "The New Class" by Milovan Djilas, number two to Tito after WWII, for an insider´s look at POWER! God Bless America during these troubled times!