They want guns out of schools,...until something happens and then they want people with guns to show up and stop the violence. Libtard thinking just amazes me at times...

When did Luntz become a "GOP Pollster"?

I thought the King of the Toupees was supposed to be fair and balanced.

I know he makes my hair hurt...

Projection, the media isn´t listening to the NRA but that isn´t new.

The stupid liberal opinionists don´t even understand what an assault weapon is.
No one is listening to their ignorant comments.
Too many are getting away saying publicly that they should be regulated, and we need laws controlling them.
There already are!
As for Luntz, only lawbreakers bring guns into schools now.

Good .... I hope they are listening to our Constitution.

Luntz. You are an ignoramus. Just this morning, a Maryland Congressman asked why MD kindergarten schools have no armed protection, while middle and high schools in MD do. Get it? Schools in MD ALREADY have armed protection, but not kindergarten schools. The Congressman said that 10 percent of the money the state will get from the casino business can provide the money Luntz. Get your head out of the large potato chip bag.

Actually, Frank, the NRA needs to listen to its dues paying members or it goes out of business. The goal is not to be liked by you or the news media, it is to get more members by representing those members interests.

About having a cop in a school I am for it. I am against this being something controlled by the Feds but should be State run. As for where is the money coming from.....GET RID of the excess administrative staff ( which there is in EVERY school system whether you may think so or not). The $$ saved by each 4-5 of them should cover the cost for 1 cop. Also we need to get serious about how those with mental problems are corrected as finding help for the persons needing mental health problems is next to impossible.

Read the article. What Luntz said is spot on. Republicans would be wise to listen to him. He points out that the American public is not against the NRA, not against the right to bear arms under the Second Amendment; however, the American public does want some common-sense limitations. NRA supporters sound silly when they say, "No limitations...never!" They certainly aren´t supportive of selling guns to 2 year olds! If they can bring themselves to admit that yes, there are some circumstances where people shouldn´t have guns, then the smart thing to do would be to consider what other circumstances might be appropriate to say no to guns.

The NRA can either be part of this conversation, or they can be ignored. The whining of LaPierre last week suggests that they prefer to be ignored.

The NRA sure seems to be listening to my opinions about gun violence and they are protecting my right to defend myself from it. What the media wants is for me to be another victim.

Frank Luntz also hired himself out the the EDF, a far left environment outfit, to advise them how to sell global warming to rube Republicans. Luntz himself believes in global warming. Everyone knows so-called republicans can become famous and adored by chiding right of center Americans. His opening statement on the NRA is built for a headline favorable to the left. It doesn´t matter what the fine print says. Luntz´ best consulting advice did nothing to stop the destruction of the GOP and the country. He´s just a guy trying to be a celebrity.

Of all the strawman arguments I have read over the past couple of weeks, ´guns for 2 year olds´ is probably the silliest.

And to echo other posters, when did Frank become GOP?

I wish talk radio and others would stop magnifying the stupidity that is out there. Rush, Haniity, Beck all do this to sell commercial on their shows. They find some extreme position and then use it as a straw man to argue against it.

Extend the gun free zone from 1000 feet to a mile. That should solve everything and undoubtedly a poll would show that people like the idea.

We don´t yet know enough to know what to ban in the wake of the Connecticut shootings. With Columbine, it was obvious, black trench coats were the culprit and they were quickly banned.

Sure enough, it worked, during the next 10 school shootings, no perpetrator wore a black trench coat.

The little piece of excrement that killed the children in Connecticut didn´t wear a black trench coat either but surely the media will find the cause given enough time. Perhaps it was the bubble gum he was chewing.

Rest assured, given a bit more time the media will figure it out and a ban will ensue. Then during the next 10 school shootings, the perpetrator will not be chewing gum.

Of course, the real cause of school shootings will remain hidden from you by the MSM. It´s called liberalism.

My sense, based on nothing more than intuition, is that he is right.

Saying that he is right is not the same as saying that he should be right. My own opinion is that there is more emotion and hysteria than reason on both sides. I think it is preposterous to allege that the danger is so great that armed guards are necessary in every school in the country. I am not aware of a shred of statistical evidence to support such a gigantic (over)reaction to a handful of mass murders, terrible as they are.

But my personal opinion is not the point. The point is that there is a shift in the public mood that the NRA and all who value gun ownership would be wise to acknowledge. It is, in other words, time for some realpolitik. Standing and shouting on principle, digging in and preparing to fight to the last man before yielding an inch, are likely to be counter-productive in the end.

The NRA desperately, direly, urgently needs professional public relations help. LaPierre is in way over his head on this. He is only making matters worse by playing the role Leftists and other gun control zealots want him to play.

Everyone knows the ultimate aim of gun control fanatics is to eliminate handguns. Hysteria, real and whipped up, over the horrible but extremely rare school shootings is just a pretext to advance the larger aim of a total ban on all firearms. This will probably happen sooner or later. Americans are growing soft, lazy, timid and effete. But a skillful rear-guard action can delay what is probably inevitable.

Id America wants something done about AR-15´s then why are they flying off of the shelves?

Seriously, stupid.

There should be a daily update of the number of people killed in cities with tough anti gun laws..like Chicago..

Will they also remove the multiple gun toting men who guard the schools of celebrities such as the Obama, David Gregory and religious schools throught this country? Of course not; only for us regular folks and our children should remain more vulnerable to nut jobs with guns.

How many gun crimes have been committed by NRA members?

"Reply 20 - Posted by: Kingbubo, 12/26/2012 11:31:54 AM (No. 9084219)

How many gun crimes have been committed by NRA members? "

Less than 100th of 1% of CCW/CPL licensed firearm holders commit crimes. I bet for the NRA it´s even less.

BTW - according to the news yesterday, Obummer´s daughters have 11 armed security professionals at their school.

The elite do for themselves what they won´t let you do for yourself.

This Luntz guy is a pot head and a phony. He and Sean Vannity can go pound sand.

That´s funny, Frank; they damsure seem to be listening to me...

Every public school in America will get armed protection when the armed guard becomes a unionized member of the TSA. Until then, nothing much will happen.....

A good chunk of the public is not "insisting", dunce. Personal observation: the gun stores are packed. In one of them nearby last Tuesday, there was no parking all day. AR´s were limited to one per person. 10 mag limit on 30 rd mags. 2 days later, one mag per person. The next day, you couldn´t buy one unless you bought a $1k rifle. Now they have none. Same story all over town. Many shops aren´t even picking up the phone they are so busy.

Tell me again what the public is after? From where I sit, it sure as hell looks like it´s firearms.

Seems to be some trolls trolling seemingly reasonable dissertations, supported by other non vitriolic seeming
"folks".

The NRA is the people. LaPierre is merely the face of the NRA. The largest paid membership group in America, or close to it, the NRA is rarely what it is accused of being, and all it advertises.

Listening to the projections of the left will leave you as ignorant as the unborn.

"See? I hate the NRA too. Will you love me now, alphabet media? Will I be allowed on you shows now? Can I have more media exposure so I can make more money now?"

The media has decided to turn the NRA into the most hated group in the country and some of the posters on this thread fell right into line like good little soldiers. Good job.

I see someone threw the troll bait out.
The NRA represents me. I am a life member. I dont want my rights wiped out forever just so someone can feel stylish today. Rights lost are very rarely regained.
Better to have psycho control. There is no right to be a psycho, so the legislation should be a lot easier to pass.
Are we linked from the Daily Kos or something?

Only an observation....the NRA is very much like the organization AARP. They must add to their membership or suffer the consequences. The best way to add members? This is NOT to ridicule either one (well, perhaps a little tweak to AARP...No, make that a BIG tweak) Guns are a part of America...so are America´s older citizens...citizens being the key word here. Frank Luntz is a quack who is more liberal and possibly a GOP. However, he is not Conservative.

Thank God that they NRA is not listening, look at what the so called public elected as President.

The reason that The NRA Is not Listening’ To
"Americans’" Gun Violence Concerns is because the concerns are driven by marketing types who are trying to whip up fear. It´s a hype.

0bama sends his girls to a very expensive private school that has many armed guards with real guns. Most of the Hollywood liberals who are screaming for gun control also have many armed guards. They all want your guns, but they will definitely keep their guns.

Hey Frank, the problem isn´t the guns, it is the morons who perpetrate these violent acts..as far as the Looney Left´s obsession with banning assault weapons and guns in general, it is not about gun control (that is just a means to an end) it is about control of the Indidivual! A majority of Americans (the non-low info crowd) understand this. Stick to encounter groups on FNC.

This and some posters here are amazing... The US Constitution does not give one patuty about the "mood" or the societal whims of the so-called public! That is what a pure democracy is...mass rule. Mass rule always fails. We are NOT a pure democracy, we are a Republic (Rep Dem) thank God! The Framers/forefathers knew exactly what would come about...suppression NOT freedom and liberty. Hence, the unwavering wisedom of the US Constitution and the BOR!

Enforce current gun laws!! For crying out loud, you have the ATF and DOJ (AG Holder) giving AR15s and AK47s to drug dealers and that allow the killing of Mexican & American citizens. Get real! This is the most corrupt gov´t in history!

When the NRA insists on the right of the mentally ill to own guns, (they really should be banned from owning weapons of any type), they are harming the protection of the 2nd amendment, not strengthening it. It is, itself, an insane concept.

go away frank

This just indicates how dangerous it is when the media- in this case,Fox- elevate people such as this weenie to a position where he actually believes he can tell us what to think.

luntz seemes to think he and his interviews are the rule of the land, its avery select group and also he is fos.

#9 I´m afraid you´ve fallen prey to several fallacies:

1) Frank Luntz is on our side. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Frank Luntz is for Frank Luntz and his ludicrous knob-twiddlers. Frank Luntz has turned elections and politics into mindless buzzword bingo games.

2) ´Common sense´ limitations involve common sense. Oh really? The same ´common sense´ laws banning so-called assault rifles and extended capacity magazines passed in the 90s that had absolutely no effect?

3) The NRA is responsible for determining the ´circumstances´ of gun ownership. Utterly false as a premise and a practice.

4) The strength of the 2nd Amendment and, by extension, the NRA is derived from the ´shall not be infringed´ clause. Those words have kept courts, politicians, police and liberal do-gooders at bay for 200+ years. You have already seen authoritarians in blue states and cities doing a bit of infringing wherever they can. How´s it working out for Chicago, Philly et al?

5) LaPierre gave a response. He represents his membership just as Sarah Brady does. Disagree with him if you like but don´t complain that he isn´t participating in the conversation. Suggesting that a gun rights group willingly cede those rights is somewhere between madness and naivete.

6) The ´participate or be left out´ gambit is currently bringing ruination to John Boehner and congressional Republicans. Why would the NRA engage itself in a similar ruse?

Finally, your post suggests that new laws and policies will fix the problem. Surely anyone participating on this site knows better that that.

There is nothing to listen to. It´s freedom or totalitarian socialism, one or the other. We a a majority taker nation, perfectly willing to exchange freedom for the illusion of borrowed prosperity and comfort. Some Americans aren´t willing to surrender. The NRA represents them.

Yeah, sure they are, #37. SMH....

Do NOT listen to leftists and liberals. Fight them.

Luntz is still a lefty...he never really has been on the right.

Mr. Luntz, I assume by "Americans," you are talking about the 47%? Because if you were talking about me or most of the other denizens of Lucianne, WE don´t think the NRA is wrong on this issue.

What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand? The Founders knew that there would be instances where people with mental or behavioral problems would have access to guns, but they felt that it was much more important to not limit the citizen´s ability to defend himself against tyranny. That may be mainly to protect oneself from the government, but the Founders also believed that EVERY body should have the ability for self-defense (including those who are mentally ill). If someone is truly a danger to himself or others, he should be institutionalized. If he is not deemed that way but is still incompetent, then he needs a conservator and then should not have any weapon simply because of his imcompetence. The family and conservator should make that move. But the government should have NO say in who can or cannot own a gun while they are a free citizen (not incarcerated or on parole/probation with the state).

Luntz is simply summing up what the rabble wants. We are supposed to have a representative republic so that reasoned debate, not raw emotion, guides issues.

Of course the public doesn´t want guns in schools. Guess what, current laws mostly don´t allow guns to be in schools already. That is why when a CRAZY CRIMINAL breaks into a school, all the people in it are sheep to be mowed down. All more restrictive laws will do is punish law abiding people for something they would never dream of doing anyway in a futile attempt to stop insane people.

Every time this happens, the experts state they cannot predict which people might snap. When such people snap, they will use any means available to carry out their plans.

Luntz is just an echo chamber. I don´t believe the public should get everything it "wants".

I will say that I don´t think the NRA explains its position well and forgets it needs to show a sympathetic face when these things happen.

Guns are already barred from schools now and thats working pretty well isn´t it...?

*...crickets...*

WhamDBambam: ‘I Don’t Think I´m Listening To
Frank Luntz.´

I don´t think Luntz is a GOP Pollster. He is like most libs...he dosen´t like guns. Remember, the first thing Hitler did was to confiscate all guns in Germany. How did that work out? Guns don´t kill. People with guns do.

Lutz is nothing but a potato head. Remember this self promoting putz´s performance during the last pres debate. Those chumps along with him just turned me off. Also when this Mr Potato Head become GOP? Yeah right! Hey Lutz I´m a CCM of the NRA and I´m proud of it. Have a nice day smuck.