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New tax increases in California stir
debate about adding to exodus

Fox News, by Staff

Original Article

Posted By:LittleHoodedMonk, 12/22/2012 3:47:35 PM

A vote last month that makes Californians among the highest-taxed residents in the country is sparking debate about whether the Democrat-back initiative will backfire, by forcing high-earners to join a long exodus from the cash-strapped state. Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown successfully pushed the tax increase by suggesting that high-earners must shoulder the largest burden in bailing out the state, particularly its debt-ridden public school system. However, high unemployment and government debt have already sent residents fleeing in large numbers – an estimated 225,000 annually for the past 10 years.

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When you add up the taxes that THEY imposed upon themselves, the Bullet Train boondoggle and other wasted projects like wind and solar power, who´s to feel any sympathy for these liberals. On top of those fleeing, are the illegal immigrants staying to capitalize on all the "free stuff."

I just hope that they stay out of Texas as I got here first.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: whyyeseyec, 12/22/2012 4:23:06 PM     (No. 9079767)

What people in other parts of the country don`t understand about the lunacy of Calif is this is actually what the Libs want. They want high earners and business starters to flee the state. Anything that smacks of manufacturing is verboten to them. In their perverted utopia the masses are jammed into stack and pack inner city 220 sq ft boxes while they move the what is left of the suburbs to enjoy the quietness what farm animals an unicorn frolicing about. Now that the legislature has a 2/3 majority in both houses, much like the Pelosi/Reid 111th Congress, they now have a free hand to raise taxes and crushing regulations at will. As bad as Jerry Brown is as governor, there is no shortage of lunatics lined up to take his job when he leaves in Year 2100.


Reply 2 - Posted by: kono, 12/22/2012 4:26:09 PM     (No. 9079771)

Please don´t write off fellow Ldotters who aren´t really at liberty to join that exodus. Some of us are pretty much stuck here ´til death (which, given a society gradually becoming more Soviet every year, might not be all that far off).

While we´re still alive, though, many of us will try to hold the line against the culture of oppressive taxation, profligate spending, exaltation of death, and derision of God. Think of it as a cultural Battle of the Bulge, and keep us in your prayers...


   

 

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Reply 3 - Posted by: jimincalif, 12/22/2012 4:29:02 PM     (No. 9079773)

I´ve spoken to three clients in the last two weeks - one has already changed his residency to NV, another is actively doing the same and the third will be in TX by this time next year. All three of them high six to low seven figure earners.


Reply 4 - Posted by: bhkat, 12/22/2012 4:30:53 PM     (No. 9079776)

The problem is that wherever these morons from California go, they will vote for liberals who will enact the same sort of policies that got them into trouble in the first place.


Reply 5 - Posted by: NorthernDog, 12/22/2012 4:31:43 PM     (No. 9079777)

Perhaps the super-wealthy will not leave, but the vast middle class will continue to look elsewhere. The additional taxes push-up the cost of living and discourage people from being upwardly mobile. Why work hard when you can punished for it, and can get so much for ´free´?


Reply 6 - Posted by: SheikYerBooty, 12/22/2012 4:35:00 PM     (No. 9079781)

Keep out! We already have our quota of liberal idiots here in Texas.


Reply 7 - Posted by: Heil Liberals, 12/22/2012 4:35:47 PM     (No. 9079782)

The joy that ex pat Californios express once they move to a red state is tempered with time. Once they experience the "lack of services" that they were accustomed to in the socialist paradise they left, they will begin to vote for the gimmes, once again creating the very thing they claim to abhor.


   

 

  


 
Reply 8 - Posted by: dvc, 12/22/2012 4:38:03 PM     (No. 9079785)

The makers move out and the takers move in. Pretty obvious where that trend will wind up. Born there but would not consider living in the state these days.


Reply 9 - Posted by: snakeoil, 12/22/2012 4:48:26 PM     (No. 9079798)

Strange Nevada doesn´t have a state income tax. If they elect the likes of Harry Reid you´d think they´d be all in favor of taxing everything. California used to be the envy of the nation. Best education from K-12 and university system. Expect Governor Moonbeam to point out to The Indonesian Imbecile that since CA voted by a huge margin for him that he needs to send a few billion to aid his devoted followers. Well you guys out there on the left coast still have great weather. Money ain´t everything.


Reply 10 - Posted by: noproblems, 12/22/2012 4:53:04 PM     (No. 9079801)

This is a concern for California. We need to get back to Federalism and let states decide what kind of state services they will provide to its citizens.

We need to get federal taxation to a minimum so that states have the ability to do what they think is best for them, even if it is short-sighted and drives business out of their state like what California is doing. It will be a good lesson for other states to see what happens.


Reply 11 - Posted by: otronome, 12/22/2012 5:03:23 PM     (No. 9079810)

Just closed on a place in NV.

We are part of the growing number of unwelcomed (in our own land) native Californian tribe. We earned too much, we work too hard, we expect too much of others, we are judgmental, we never paid as much in taxes as good people should pay, we saved too much, we invested too much, we had the wrong sorts of jobs, we went to the wrong sort of church, we donated to wrong type of charity, we supported the wrong type of activities, we thought the wrong thoughts, we associated with the wrong type of people, we spoke the wrong words...we will miss the opportunity to ride the $150,000,000,000 government choo choo train.

The self delusional Californnia liberal lights a fire, watches as the flames spread, demands a fireman put out the conflagration and blames the fireman for his efforts, then lights more fires, adds gasoline... and then is surprised when the fireman leaves.


Reply 12 - Posted by: TexasAllTheWay, 12/22/2012 5:15:49 PM     (No. 9079820)

Yes, yes, PLEASE don´t move to Texas! It´s not a place for takers, it´s a place of doers.


   

 

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Reply 13 - Posted by: chance_232, 12/22/2012 5:34:18 PM     (No. 9079835)

Here´s the dirty little secret concerning the "rich". They can AFFORD to move. The CEO of a corporation does not have to work at the corporate HQ, he can work from any location. A Hollywood actor can travel to the set. Many well off, who live on investments, can collect their checks anywhere.

If you want to collect MORE taxes from the rich, give them a reason to take up residence in your state.


Reply 14 - Posted by: krause, 12/22/2012 5:45:12 PM     (No. 9079842)

Apparently Jerry thinks ´don´t put all your eggs in one basket´ is just a myth.


Reply 15 - Posted by: leftcoastmom, 12/22/2012 5:57:41 PM     (No. 9079846)

As like #2, I cannot leave. I love California, hate the politicians. A few exceptions of course. I really believe they are going to give it back to Mexico...if not on paper, but by a wink and a nod.


Reply 16 - Posted by: deepthinker, 12/22/2012 6:26:04 PM     (No. 9079859)

Hugh Hewitt was suggesting CA will become a "180 day State" where retirees establish residency elsewhere and live out of state for sufficient time to avoid CA idiocy-taxes. I am 63 and looking into it.


Reply 17 - Posted by: deepthinker, 12/22/2012 6:32:54 PM     (No. 9079864)

It would be wise for Texans to consider a special tax on California public sector pensions, to recover the indirect subsidy, through the federal tax "system", that people in high tax states have gotten from the deductability of State Income taxes. If you scare them off, that is well and good--you know how these people vote.


   

 

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Reply 18 - Posted by: mitzi, 12/22/2012 6:35:40 PM     (No. 9079865)

I was just recalling the "good old days" when I lived in the S.F. Bay Area.

Proposition 13 in 1978 ... the 1987 tax rebate during the Deukmajion administration when there was a surplus ... those were the days!


Reply 19 - Posted by: JHHolliday, 12/22/2012 6:38:58 PM     (No. 9079869)

Exactly #13. The ´rich´ are your most desirable citizens. They don´t fill up the jails, if they need medical care they pay for it, they pay more taxes in every way....sales, income, etc and they don´t go on welfare and stress the social safety net.

Make your state welcoming to them. They are your best customers.


Reply 20 - Posted by: youngtexan, 12/22/2012 6:44:53 PM     (No. 9079871)

Exactly #6. I´ve been seeing vehicles with CA liscence plates here in Texas. Scary stuff.


Reply 21 - Posted by: ocjim, 12/22/2012 6:45:46 PM     (No. 9079872)

-- In engineering terms, Dems do static analyses of tax rate calculations while Republicans do dynamic analyses. I.E. The Dems don´t look at a growing or a shrinking tax pie. Dems think if you raise taxes 10 per cent then you raise revenue 10 per cent. A resulting worse economy and taxpayer flight reduces that 10 per cent. At some point you reach the top of the Laffer Curve and then when you raise taxes, you get no increase in revenue whatsoever. California is trying to empirically determine that Laffer Curve Top.

-- FTA:
The rate hikes range from 9.3 percent to 10.3 percent for families making $250,000 to 10.3 percent to 13.3 percent for families making at least $1 million annually.

TRANSLATION:
For those making $250,000 their top rate is increasing 10.8 percent. For those making $1,000,000, their top rate is increasing by 29 percent. In what mad Marxist world are these kinds of increases ´´just a little bit more?´´
By stating only the percentage POINT increases and not the more revealing PERCENTAGE INCREASE, the news media including FoxNews here, mask the true impact of the increases. At the federal federal level, an increase of the top rate from 35 to 39 percent is a seemingly modest 4 percentage POINT increase, but in actuality, it is a considerable 14.3 percent increase in the top rate.


Reply 22 - Posted by: hotcorner, 12/22/2012 7:11:52 PM     (No. 9079891)

We are early 60´s now retiring - leaving California with pensions, savings, IRA´s for a state income tax free State and lower sales taxes, housing costs, celebration of Christmas nativity scenes, Christmas music, etc. and never looking back. Seems as if many of our friends are planning the same thing. Insanity reigns in California. It´s going under. Revenues keep decreasing with the new taxes - duh! Liberals are the ruination of america and they don´t get it.


   

 



 
Reply 23 - Posted by: Hammock, 12/22/2012 8:53:46 PM     (No. 9079956)

Hey bashers of California conservatives - yo mamma!


Reply 24 - Posted by: ColonialAmerican1623, 12/22/2012 8:55:19 PM     (No. 9079958)

Sounds like France, doesn´t it ?

NY and CA will never catch on.


Reply 25 - Posted by: smcchk, 12/22/2012 9:45:36 PM     (No. 9079994)

I have long noticed the hypocrisy of Hollywood - what was the last film made in the USA? They spew their liberal nonsense and then "outsource." Jerks!


Reply 26 - Posted by: jimincalif, 12/22/2012 10:05:32 PM     (No. 9080006)

I can´t leave yet. Have sold my business but still need to work there for a bit while my wife and I wait for the kids to finish school and see where they will end up. Then we´ll be leaving, not sure where just yet. Breaks my heart, born in LA and lived in SoCal my whole life.

Please, don´t assume that all CA refugees will vote for idiot liberal policies. I am a conservative/libertarian, so much so that I don´t even feel welcome in my home state anymore. I started a business, built it for 25 years, created 35 jobs, put my kids thru private schools so they would not get brainwashed. I used to tell people I probably broke at least 10 state laws just unlocking my business door and letting the staff in every day.

Wherever I end up, I will NOT start voting for socialists, taxes, takers, bullet trains to nowhere and looney global warming nonsense.


Reply 27 - Posted by: chumley, 12/22/2012 10:24:02 PM     (No. 9080015)

#7 is right on. They come here to Appalachia, offer far more money than we can afford to pay for property (which drives up the prices), then they complain about the lack of services and vote to tax us out of existence. As I recall, this is the very thing they left.
Take your sun glasses, funny gas pumps and lawn mower catalytic converters and keep moving. If you must stay, live here for at least five years before speaking and then tell everyone you are from Nevada or Arizona.
Also, keep in mind that private property means just that. If you dont own it or have permission, you aint welcome on it. I dont care if you are taking a nature walk or a short cut or hiding from the rain. Ask first or stay off.
One last thing...your bicycle shorts make you look...questionable.


Reply 28 - Posted by: beancounter, 12/22/2012 11:13:47 PM     (No. 9080071)

Good news, #25. California just gave the film industry a tax break. Keep that in mind when the Matt Damon´s say they should pay higher taxes.


Reply 29 - Posted by: beancounter, 12/22/2012 11:22:55 PM     (No. 9080075)

My company just got our bill from the state of CA for self-funded workers compensation. 30% increase in the rates. The increase is as much as it costs to employ a couple of people.


Reply 30 - Posted by: KimoSaavy, 12/22/2012 11:24:08 PM     (No. 9080077)

So these liberals who created the mess are now leaving. I bet most are democrats who demand other people´s money to buy votes and other social policies which in the end hurt everyone.

The next battleground is exit taxation. Everything must be done to ensure such shenanigans are unconstitutional. But really, think about it. The people leaving created the problem. We know that because they don´t change their way as they infest their new home state. Do you really think these californians in Texas won´t vote for liberal candidates promising freebies, and screw that state too. It´s a state of mind, not location.

Californians - much damage to Oregon and Washington. Nevada is the next target state. Colorado and Utah looking good for them. It´s where the hollywood libtards live to avoid heavy taxes.

Florida - It´s becoming a blue state thanks to NY liberal fleeing the mess they help create in NY.

I realllllly hate the exit tax deal because we can´t determine who is leaving but my money is on liberals. A $20, 000 tax sounds about right. Just contradicted myself, I know but voting for liberals and democrats should bear personal consequences.

I would love to know what are Depardieu politics.


Reply 31 - Posted by: doctorfixit, 12/23/2012 1:13:05 AM     (No. 9080136)

One thing for sure, when I escape from this socialist hell I will never reveal from where I came. It´s not just their Maoist policies. Californians are the shallowest, most self-centered, supercilious, self-satisfied, smug solipsists I have ever encountered.


Reply 32 - Posted by: Trigger2, 12/23/2012 3:03:27 AM     (No. 9080169)

Look at CA taxing people & businesses into oblivion, then think about what Barry & his traveling demonrat freak show wants to do to the whole country.


Reply 33 - Posted by: Japanorama, 12/23/2012 4:19:18 AM     (No. 9080189)

Lots of people I know are looking east, to escape from the liberal hell that California has become.


Reply 34 - Posted by: ROLFnader, 12/23/2012 8:33:12 AM     (No. 9080374)

This is what it would look like if you ran Season 1-Episode 1 of the Beverly Hillbillies in reverse. Moonbeam should be made to watch it every morning while astrally projecting to his office.



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The Pentagon has placed its elite cadre of special operations teams on full alert to launch preemptive attacks against suspected al Qaeda targets across the globe, according to reports. The American special forces teams have spent the past week waiting for U.S. military and intelligence officials to confirm the whereabouts of the terror cell plotting to attack U.S. diplomatic outposts in the Mideast and North Africa. Unnamed sources told CNN on Monday that the teams were poised to carry out the preemptive strikes, but declined to comment on where the U.S. forces were located or which potential

Oprah Winfrey: ´Trayvon Martin
Parallel to Emmett Till...In My
Mind, Same Thing´

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Newsbusters, by Noel Sheppard    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 8/5/2013 5:42:18 PM     Post Reply
Oprah Winfrey on Monday said the killings of Trayvon Martin and Emmett Till are the "same thing." This transpired during an interview with The Grio that aired on NBC´s Today show. OPRAH WINFREY: It´s so easy during this time: Trayvon Martin, Trayvon Martin parallel to Emmett Till, let me just tell you. In my mind, same thing. But you can, you can get stuck in that and not allow yourself to move forward and to see how far we´ve come. Really? Martin and Till are the same thing?

Oprah To NBC: Trayvon Martin’s
Killing ‘In My Mind, Same
Thing’ As Emmett Till’s

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Mediaite, by Noah Rothman    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 8/5/2013 4:34:53 PM     Post Reply
In an exclusive interview for The Grio, NBCUniversal’s African-American news and opinion website, Oprah Winfrey weighed in with her unvarnished thoughts on the killing of Trayvon Martin and the acquittal of George Zimmerman. Winfrey said that, in her mind, Martin’s murder and that of Emmett Till in 1955 – whose killers were also acquitted – were the “same thing.” However, she added that it is important to keep in mind how much race relations in America have progressed over the last half-century. In a clip of the interview which aired on NBC’s Today, Oprah told The Grio’s Chris

McCain, Graham urge Egyptian
government to release Islamist
prisoners during Cairo visit

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Fox News, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: scottyboy- 8/6/2013 1:51:21 PM     Post Reply
Two Republican senators said Tuesday that they´ve personally urged the Egyptian government to release Muslim Brotherhood prisoners, after hosting meetings with top officials in Cairo as part of an Obama administration-sanctioned visit. Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who is in Cairo along with Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-.S.C., made clear that the two U.S. lawmakers are representing the views of Congress and "do not speak for the White House." Still, they are among the most prominent U.S. representatives in the country this week, as a wave of international mediators tries to nudge the country´s military-backed government to resolve the standoff

Pundits Ask: Why Won´t
Weiner Just Leave NYC Race?

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Associated Press, by Jonathan Lemire    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 8/5/2013 1:49:20 PM     Post Reply
NEW YORK — Why doesn´t Anthony Weiner just quit? It´s a question angry voters, pundits and fellow politicians have been asking almost nonstop in the nearly two weeks since the New York City mayoral candidate´s latest sexting bombshell, which has sent his poll numbers plummeting and turned his campaign into a chaotic sideshow. Weiner insists he´s staying in the race no matter what. And experts say that beyond the former congressman´s well-known ego and combativeness, his stance may just be rooted in political calculation. A leading theory: Weiner takes his hits on the campaign trail, gives the media a chance


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