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The disappearing independent
Politico, by Lois Romano

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Posted By:JoniTx, 12/20/2012 7:24:19 AM

As Republicans sift through the wreckage of the presidential election and Democrats brace for the 2014 midterms, there is one clear point of agreement between them: Independent voters no longer decide elections. In 2012, Mitt Romney became the first presidential candidate in recent history to decisively win the independent vote — yet just as decisively lose the election. Pollsters and campaign strategists — particularly Republicans — are scrambling to understand what happened — and more important, what it means for future campaign strategies. Romney trounced Barack Obama with independents in five of the eight battleground states that Obama won,


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Reply 1 - Posted by: dman, 12/20/2012 7:44:26 AM     (No. 9075770)

Yet the Pubs still blame Tea Partiers for their loss. Seems like they simply did not turn out their base. Blame Reince Priebus and the rest of the RNC for that. Corruption? Pat Caddell detailed it at Breitbart.com and Foxnews.com. Stolen? Where were the GOP poll watchers and the follow-up action? Incompetence and stupidity? That is a given. Who were the brain trusts that decided to put all their eggs in the economic basket?

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Reply 2 - Posted by: rochow, 12/20/2012 7:46:55 AM     (No. 9075776)

Why bother deciphering anything about this election .....it was rigged with preset computers....end of story....even zero knew he was going to loose.....why the phoney tears the night before....from the get go this guy only spoke to a fraction of an audience compared to the crowds that Romney drew....but no one is going to say anything, because the moron in the WH is black!

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Reply 3 - Posted by: planetgeo, 12/20/2012 7:47:00 AM     (No. 9075777)

Here´s a thought. What if they´re not disappearing? What if they (and others) are simply not bring counted? And what if opposing groups are being over-counted?

Here´s another thought. Who the heck is in charge of validating and confirming the legitimacy of candidates, the legitimacy of voters, and the accuracy of the vote nationwide? Answer: nobody. Of our right to vote is so dang sacred, why is no one treating it like it is?

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Reply 4 - Posted by: BarryNo, 12/20/2012 7:47:47 AM     (No. 9075778)

It´s simple, stupid! Obama won by falsifying the vote. That simple. The voting rules favor cheating and until that problem is solved no one will know the true values of the American voter.

Dozens of precincts in Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida had obvious, MASSIVE irregularities. The military vote disappeared in a convenient plane crash Laws, designed to reduce double voting at the polls were challenged and watered down or declared ´unconstitutional´. Early voting is never verified and often has ´Mickey Mouse´, or ´Vladamir Lenin´ (dead or imaginary) voters permitted to sway the electorate.

Freedom is dying in America.

But it can be revived. I ask you: what would any of our ancestors have done when faced with such obvious chicanery? What would any generation up till Vietnam have done to a political group so obviously set on undermining and destroying America?

When do we start?

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Davids918, 12/20/2012 7:55:16 AM     (No. 9075794)

So, take a firm stand, and show how the Democrat policies aren´t good for you, your children and the prospects of having a decent job.

Don´t attack unions, but illustrate that unions can´t have special deals either.

Acknowledge that most of the labor issues are now statute, and we are better for it as a country.

Illustrate how Democrat objections (EPA and environmental groups) to drilling for oil in America is costing jobs, good jobs, and reducing tax revenues to pay for government.
The EPA is not the Every Project Attacked agency.
There is ALWAYS a consequence to the environment, but that doesn´t mean we can´t do any projects, but the dept should be looking out for the taxpayers not just saying no because the agency wants to change our behaviors.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: heartlandconservative, 12/20/2012 8:02:42 AM     (No. 9075807)

Three pages of horse hockey. Need the independents, need the Hispanics, need the Blacks, need the Women. Well, the only way to get the majority of those votes is to put a D by your name and act accordingly.
Leadership in the repub party told the Conservatives to shut up and go away and it is obvious that they complied. It is no more complicated than that.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: dman, 12/20/2012 8:06:10 AM     (No. 9075815)

It is the job of the RNC to challenge questionable vote tallies like the DNC did in 2000. Ohio and Florida have GOP governors and legislatures.

The silence in challenging the results was deafening.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: mrduc, 12/20/2012 8:21:26 AM     (No. 9075838)

It was a rigged election, stupid.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: voxpop, 12/20/2012 9:36:05 AM     (No. 9075951)

Politics is just like a business. Grow or die. To grow, you not only need a good product, but understand your market and have a way of getting your message/product to that market. Usually that is the function of the marketing and sales department and ultimately, a sales professional.

This company (Republicans) sent in an accountant to do battle against an unethical salesman who wouldn’t know a debit from a credit. (But neither does the customer - low-information voter). No surprise, really, that Romney got whipped.

I like Mr. Romney, and thought he would win in a landslide, but he was not the man for the job. He started off OK, but in his second pitch (debate) to the customers, he dropped the ball. He had Libtard, Inc. on the defensive, trying to keep up with the features/benefits he had outlined in his first pitch. He just dropped the ball, couldn’t close the deal.

Please Repubs, no more accountants. Give us someone that lights up the room and can sell.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: killerbee, 12/20/2012 10:07:29 AM     (No. 9076015)

#7: the Republican party is barred legally from challenging Democrats on obvious vote fraud. I´m not sure who signed it, but an agreement was signed in the 80´s that consented not to challenge them because to do so would be racists, I believe.

Yes, the RNC cannot challenge. We didn´t know that until this year because nobody ever talked about it. The RNC continues to collect money even though they know they are hamstrung against election fraud. Which is why the Democrats can be as blatant as they were this time and still get away with it.

And why the Republican party should be disbanded in favor of a party not stymied by their predecessors´ self-destructive tendencies.

So, yes, these kinds of breakdowns are pointless because the Democrats stole the election. Who cares who independents voted for? The Democrats stole their votes by cancelling them out with fraud. Blatantly.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: 4LadyK, 12/20/2012 10:28:25 AM     (No. 9076057)

#2,3,4,8,&10 get it.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: woofwoofwoof, 12/20/2012 10:49:49 AM     (No. 9076101)

What happened is that the candidate was an empty suit and hired a staff of a hundred highly-paid professionals who can´t count, and none of them knew that you have to try for 100% of the vote, you don´t just target 51% of the independents.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: M Stuart, 12/20/2012 11:27:25 AM     (No. 9076160)

Rigged. It could be so easily fixed if the machines were made to print an audit slip which would be put into the box. Then all could be dumped out and counted when there are problems.

I´d like to see that "nice guy" who was "beaten" tell what he knows about what happened in this election. Write your book now, Romney, in time for the next election.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: whyyeseyec, 12/20/2012 11:44:37 AM     (No. 9076184)

Rigged elections in favor of the democrats will only lead to more republicans and independents not showing up at the polls.

Get ready for a democrat in the WH for many years to come. They have perfected the art of stealing elections. With no GOP pushback, there is nothing to stop this practice. This behavior can only discourage opposition voter turnout.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Marzon, 12/20/2012 12:31:11 PM     (No. 9076257)

I don´t think the Republican base failed to turn out. Most of us had been chomping at the bit to vote for anyone but Obama since 1/20/2008. Vote fraud was huge. In my state they passed same day registration when the dems took over in 2008 and in my city 30% of the votes were same day registrations by "first time" (in this city at least) voters. You didn´t even have to provide proof of residency, just show up and sign a form. I am positive that many of these voters were from out of state or voted in multiple towns in the state, or both. Then the dem sec of state certified the vote almost immediately before any challenges could be investigated. Afterwards we were told it didn´t matter anyway because Romney lost in so many other states it wouldn´t make any difference. But if you cheat in every state you can always use that excuse and unless the feds investigate (not going to happen with Holder) the cheaters are guaranteed to win.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: suedotsue, 12/20/2012 12:33:53 PM     (No. 9076260)

I agree fraud is a lot of it but one important thing from this article is the entire sales pitch of the poisonous GOP consultant class is rendered meaningless. Their pitch has been that you need independent voters in order to win and they´ll tell you how to get them. Now it doesn´t matter. Names like Steve Schmidt come to mind.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: BreakRight, 12/20/2012 12:39:48 PM     (No. 9076264)

#14, I don´t understand your logic: if the machine can be rigged to report the wrong vote (ie, a vote for Obama when a vote for Romney was cast), then why couldn´t the machine be rigged so that the "audit trail" printed would match the fraudulent vote?

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