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The Assault Weapon Ban Would
Have Never Passed If
It Wasn´t For Ronald Reagan

BuzzFeed, by Andrew Kaczynski

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Posted By:MissMolly, 12/20/2012 6:28:18 AM

In 1994, former President Ronald Reagan´s health was still good enough for him to, occasionally, participate in politics, and his agenda that year was clear: Helping President Bill Clinton pass the Assault Weapons Ban. Reagan had been an ardent supporter of stricter gun laws after his presidency for intensely personal reasons, as he wrote in a 1991 op-ed in the New York Times entitled "Why I´m for the Brady Bill." "´Anniversary´ is a word we usually associate with happy events that we like to remember: birthdays, weddings, the first job.

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Why would anyone want or need any guns beyond a handgun for personal protection and various hunting equipment?

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Mazeman, 12/20/2012 6:35:24 AM     (No. 9075653)

The first amendment rights of some people should similarly be limited to a sheet of paper and a crayon.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: patpgmr, 12/20/2012 6:36:35 AM     (No. 9075657)

Which just goes to show you that good people can be ignorant of the truth about firearms. That bill did nothing that they said it would do. It banned things that were trivial; just as well, in my opinion.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: ROLFnader, 12/20/2012 6:51:02 AM     (No. 9075681)

Hinkley´s ´assault weapon´ was a .22 caliber Röhm RG-14 revolver. When we´re talking about firearms, this one , though potentially deadly, is about as small as you can get. Even Ronald Reagan was capable of decisions based on emotion if he thought of this as an assualt weapon.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Jethro bo, 12/20/2012 6:53:25 AM     (No. 9075685)

The scary looking guns ban was not effective. THe exception is it might dry up the supply that Obambi and Holder use to run guns to drug lords in Mexico. So it might, just might, save some Mexican peasants lives. But it will not stop drug related deaths in this country. It will not stop domestic deaths in this country and it will not stop mass murderers from committing mass murder.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: antiquegolf, 12/20/2012 7:06:28 AM     (No. 9075706)

It´s strictly bad form to engage in pronoucements or speculation on the topic of what people "need."

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Reply 6 - Posted by: blueline, 12/20/2012 7:16:24 AM     (No. 9075723)

OP: Why would anyone want or need a car with more than 100 hp? It´ll get you to the same destination, and it is less likely to be used or driven in a reckless manner than a 500hp muscle car, right? As citizens in a land of liberty, we allow people to own and use items in a lawful and responsible manner even if the item has no appeal to us, and may occasionally be used by others in a reckless and dangerous manner resulting in tragedy. I personally enjoy shooting the semi-auto tactical rifle (derisively referred to as the "assault rifle"). As long as I am responsible and lawful, why do you want to take it away from me? Incidentally, my "assault rifle" has not assaulted anyone to date, but I´m keeping a close eye on it. You can keep your muscle car as well. As a law-enforcement officer, I can assure you that passing a ban on these or any other type of weapon will NOT keep them away from criminals. It will only disarm people who pose no threat or danger to you, me, or anyone else. There are other, better ways to make us safer. They´re just not as politically sexy. Please don´t fall for the leftist hype.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Manitouman, 12/20/2012 7:20:14 AM     (No. 9075735)

One bright sunny day, as I lay over the edge of a hill listening to the impact of bullets hitting the trees surrounding me, I remember thinking that something like a high capacity AR style weapon would be more useful than the single shot hunting rifle clutched to my quivering self.

There are a few places you shouldn´t go while under gunned.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 12/20/2012 7:36:42 AM     (No. 9075756)

No self respecting gunman, military or terrorist, would EVER commence an "Assault" without a fully automatic weapon.

It says: BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR (roll tongue for full effect)

Not: Boom..boom...boom.

Why is this critical point always lost ?

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Reply 9 - Posted by: god of irony, 12/20/2012 7:37:11 AM     (No. 9075759)

OP perhaps you should read the 2d Amendment and the history behind it to answer your question.

When the assault weapon ban was lifted crime rates did not go up as predicted however in Australia when they ban personal weapons crime rates went up.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: chumley, 12/20/2012 7:43:48 AM     (No. 9075768)

A liberal casual friend asked OP´s question when I brought out my then new AK. My answer was I don´t need it. I´m a free and I want it.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Brittany, 12/20/2012 8:04:39 AM     (No. 9075813)



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Reply 12 - Posted by: Brittany, 12/20/2012 8:08:54 AM     (No. 9075819)

Noted the snide remark about Reagan´s health while still in office. My son has the family guns and I was in NRA when guns were in my possession tho I don´t shoot. Thought we settled this in Supreme Court.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: sailor43, 12/20/2012 8:19:47 AM     (No. 9075836)

Goes to show that nobody, not even Reagan, is perfect.

He was weak on the gun issue, and the guns laws which prohibit responsible citizens from purchasing modern fully-automatic weapons were passed on his watch.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Liberal like Jefferson, 12/20/2012 8:24:17 AM     (No. 9075843)

The OP´s mindset is certainly ´progressive´. Using government to determine and authorize what people "need". That´s not the definition of a free society.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Davids918, 12/20/2012 8:24:19 AM     (No. 9075844)

So, why did the Democrats let the bill expire?
What, it would have been politically difficult?
So, they decided to protect their job as a politician instead of "doing the right thing"?

Then, they try to get cute by using the Fast and Furious scheme as means to illustrate the need for gun control only to bury the scandal because it´s killed 300+ Mexican citizens in Mexico, so isn´t as useful as they´d hoped.
Now, they want to use Newtown tragedy.



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Reply 16 - Posted by: Liberal like Jefferson, 12/20/2012 8:31:45 AM     (No. 9075853)

...also, the Second Amendment wasn´t placed in the Constitution to protect hunting.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Pluperfect, 12/20/2012 8:53:29 AM     (No. 9075878)

The OP didn´t say should have or could have, she asked "want" or "need". A constitutional right to own and bear arms wasn´t being questioned.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: TunnelRat, 12/20/2012 9:09:08 AM     (No. 9075907)

Now we´re parsing what the meaning of "is" is.

As a rule, when the gun-banners come around, they ask, "Why do you need that?", and "Why would you want that?"

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Reply 19 - Posted by: vulcanrider, 12/20/2012 9:10:34 AM     (No. 9075909)

No, 17, it was implied, just like a good progressive. Let me explain something, no one, especially the government, will EVER determine what I "want or need", from the car I drive, the food in my house, or the weapons I choose to buy (with MY hard earned money). Get it?

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Reply 20 - Posted by: StormCnter, 12/20/2012 9:11:05 AM     (No. 9075910)

Sheesh! Some of these automatically jerking knees should be brought under control. I think we all got along just fine with our various firearms in the years before these horrendous weapons were developed. I know I have the right to own one, but thank you, no.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: shamrock, 12/20/2012 9:39:24 AM     (No. 9075956)

Because OP, they are a hoot to take to the range and shoot. There are 8 of us gals that meet twice a month and turn alot of ammo into noise then we have dinner. Do I need it, no, did my hubby buy me two because I wanted them, damn straight he did.

How many pairs of shoes, etc, fill in the blank do you need?

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Reply 22 - Posted by: chumley, 12/20/2012 10:18:24 AM     (No. 9076038)

I think OP´s question is whats so baffling. Free people intuitively understand about rights. They rarely feel the need to articulate why they "need" a particular weapon. Other free people rarely ask because the answer is understood by all. Its like asking someone why they need a newspaper or a water heater. We immediately become suspicious of anyone who suggests we must demonstrate a need.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: LouD, 12/20/2012 10:28:40 AM     (No. 9076058)

#20 the automatic weapon has been around a long time, but the first practical automatic was the maxim machine gun, invented in 1885. War with Spain, WW1 & 2, for starters shows we didn´t get along all that well since then. And before then, there was plenty of crime, murder, assault, etc. So I fail to see what period you are talking about where we all got along fine.
As for those who mentioned Fast and Furious, that pales alongside the gun-running by Obama through Libya to Syrian "rebels", where at least 40,000 have died.
As for needing such a weapon, #21 answered it with the question about how many shoes.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: rmsimms, 12/20/2012 10:38:20 AM     (No. 9076078)

Arguing with seminar posters sent here by some Soros group as astroturf support for gun control is a waste of time.

Reagan did back the Clinton Ban because he had promised Jim Brady he would back him no matter what he wanted to do....it´s common knowledge.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: curious1, 12/20/2012 10:52:50 AM     (No. 9076104)

Yes, the LPs, if they truly were interested in learning, have had three decades to learn from the peer-reviewed studies and constitutional research and public discussions. That the apparently disingenuous though ignorant questions keep turning up shows they aren´t serious about learning anything, because they don´t like the cold hard facts. They´re just stirring the pot until they get their way - which is what LPs (collectivists/communists/socialists/fascists/etc.)do. It´s just another front in their war on the Republic.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: dvc, 12/20/2012 10:56:51 AM     (No. 9076110)

The reliable lever action rifle with modern cartidges only existed for 12 years (1873-1885) before machine guns were available. The imaginary time when "those bad guns" didn´t exist is essentially fictional. Muzzle loaders to machine guns was about 25 yrs.

ANYONE could buy ANY machine gun from 1885 to 1934, and many thousands did. After that law, gun crime stopped, right? Actually, it didn´t change at all.

The modern sporting rifles LOOK LIKE the miliary weapons, just like you neighbor might have a Indy Pace Car Corvette, not really the same, JUST STYLING. Oh yeah, they were banned for a decade and mass shootings went UP that decade.

On top of this side show of intentional confusion of semi auto (one shot per trigger pull, same as a revolver) and machine guns, the fundamental point is that the 2nd Amendment is NOT about hunting or protection in the mall parking lot, those are just fringe benefits. The 2nd Amendment is about having the civilian population armed well enough to deter a despot from tyranny. This means military type of weapons, and frankly we do NOT have access to them now, only lower capability rifles. Read what the people that wrote the Consitution left by way of explanation of their intent. It is called the Federalist Papers, and for the historically ignorant, but with an open mind, it should be helpful.

Of course, no government could EVER enslave the people and maybe send them to gulags by the tens of thousands or intentionally starve them to death by the millions after removing all the food from a region, right? Study the Soviet examples of what happens to unarmed peasants some times.

I could never happen here, right?

Yes - as long as the populace is armed.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: capt scurvey, 12/20/2012 11:29:18 AM     (No. 9076163)

O.P. might care to reflet on the original intent of the Second, and how it has become more meaningful than ever before...

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Reply 28 - Posted by: CentralFLMom, 12/20/2012 5:41:15 PM     (No. 9076678)

I´m sorry, but I don´t believe that President Reagan would ever support a ban on guns or support that C word on any issue. I refuse to believe this article.
President Reagan is the reason that my family owns assault weapons, hand guns, rifles and attack weapons. We absolutely embrace his doctrine of carrying a big stick to deter enemies.
We are unapologetic about arming ourselves 24/7!

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Question_Assumptions, 12/20/2012 6:27:55 PM     (No. 9076735)

Believing in liberty means no demanding that others justify their choices. If someone wants 20 handguns, a car with 500 horsepower, or a 10,000 square foot house, it doesn´t matter if I think they have a good reason for it or need it or even if they they think they have a good reason for it. It´s just not my business, nor should it be the government´s business. "You don´t need it," and, "I can´t understand it," are not compelling reasons to restrict someone else´s lierty.

In fact, the question that should be asked of every bit of legislation proposed in response to the recent massacre should be, "Would it have stopped the massacre?" If the answer is no, then the next question should be, "Why are you proposing this restriction?"

As for Ronald Reagan, I think he was a great President, but he made mistakes, including some big ones. For example, he signed California´s pre-Roe abortion legalization legislation.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: Hays, 12/20/2012 9:43:41 PM     (No. 9076913)

Before 1986, a regular citizen could buy a fully automatic gun (machine gun) for the cost of the gun plus $200 tax, generally less than $1000 total. Then the law changed. Now, some of those guns sell for upward of $50k. Maybe, just maybe, people are buying them as investments. Why do people buy baseball cards, comic books, and beanie babies. Certainly those are less useful or practical things to collect than a gun.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: NYbob, 12/20/2012 11:01:21 PM     (No. 9076964)

OP, you imply that some citizens should not be ´allowed´ certain weapons which make you and others uncomfortable because they are somehow deadlier than other guns you might be more familiar with. If guns are inevitably going to be misused, ban all of them. Understanding that more innocent people will die as a result of being disarmed. Otherwise enforce the 20,000 laws involving waiting periods, fingerprinting, complete background checks, judges approval, sheriffs approval, signs, fines, and prohibitions. At the end of that you will still find ARMED criminals. Why don´t you do something about them, like supporting Project Exile which the NRA has been pleading for decades to have implemented in cities? Instead the champions of gun banning, like Bloomberg, Rendell, etc. plea bargain criminals back to your street.

AKs and ARs are soft shooting accurate, effective rifles. In the case of the AK, it is simple, reliable and cheap. People do use them for hunting and others stand on top of their stores during riots to protect their life savings. I´m not interested in hunting. I´m interested in freedom. What I use to defend my home or person is really none of your business. It has no affect on you or anyone else who does not attack me. Compare VT gun laws vs CT or NY laws and the results of all that.

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When it comes to tracking the cost of Obama family vacations, there are two primary challenges. First, the Obamas are prolific jet-setters, so there are many details to track. Second, the Obama administration, clearly embarrassed by these lavish and frequent family vacations, stonewalls the release of records at every turn. But we have been relentless in pursuit of this information. Our attorneys file the lawsuits and make our case, and our investigators pour through pages of records and crunch the numbers. And the information we’ve uncovered – information that would otherwise remain under lock and key – shows that the

Pelosi assists in Holy Week
foot-washing ritual

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San Francisco Chronicle, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Harlowe- 4/18/2014 11:46:54 AM     Post Reply
To "honor the dignity and work of immigrants," Democratic House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi helps Bishop Marc Andrus wash the feet of two children Thursday at Saint John the Evangelist Episcopal Church in San Francisco. Pelosi also used the occasion to talk about passing HR15 - bipartisan immigration legislation that her office says would "reduce the deficit by nearly $1 trillion, secure our borders, unite our families, protect our workers and provide an earned pathway to citizenship." The Democratic leader´s ceremony coincides with Pope Francis´ similar ceremony in Rome to mark Holy Week.

Deadbeat on the Range
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New York Times, by Timothy Eagan    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/18/2014 3:52:52 PM     Post Reply
Imagine a vendor on the National Mall, selling burgers and dogs, who hasn’t paid his rent in 20 years. He refuses to recognize his landlord, the National Park Service, as a legitimate authority. Every court has ruled against him, and fines have piled up. What’s more, the effluents from his food cart are having a detrimental effect on the spring grass in the capital. Would an armed posse come to his defense, aiming their guns at the park police? Would the lawbreaker get prime airtime on Fox News, breathless updates in the Drudge Report, a sympathetic ear from Tea Party Republicans?

Illinois Dems to offer $100 million in
taxpayer money to lure Obama library site

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Investor´s Business Daily, by Andrew Malcolm    Original Article
Posted By: SurferLad- 4/18/2014 9:15:50 AM     Post Reply
First, the good news: We are close enough to the end of the Obama presidency for his crowd to talk about a presidential library. Now, the bad news: Obama´s retirement is still 1,008 days distant. Plenty of time though to round up the dough to build it somewhere. Figure they need Solyndra-style money, at least $500 million. The last two presidents – Bill Clinton and George W. Bush -- built their legacy edifices totally with private money. [Snip] However, Obama supporters have a different take. They think taxpayers should put up $100 million in public money for Obama´s library.

Every Media Outlet: Hillary
Grandkid the Most Consequential
Baby Since Jesus

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Mediaite, by Tina Nguyen    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/18/2014 10:34:40 AM     Post Reply
Less than 16 hours after Chelsea Clinton announced she was pregnant, a lot of major news outlets started staring into the crystal ball of Chelsea’s womb, wondering what this currently floating zygotic multicellular being meant for the prospects of Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign, which is also a floating, zygotic, multicellular being. Their answer: The immaculately conceived Clinton child could mean everything. And no, it’s not just the fact that having a grandchild could be personally fulfilling to Hillary and Bill (mazel tov, by the way), or that a cute baby would be a sweet cherry on top of Hillary’s already

Glen Campbell has been
moved into a facility

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People Magazine, by Gilliam Telling    Original Article
Posted By: Hazymac- 4/17/2014 6:58:48 PM     Post Reply
Glen Campbell has been suffering from Alzheimer´s for over three years, but the Grammy-winning singer, 78, has recently moved into a facility, PEOPLE has confirmed. "He was moved to an Alzhemier´s facility last week," says a family friend. "I´m not sure what the permanent plan is for him yet. We´ll know more next week." The "Rhinestone Cowboy" crooner first opened up about having Alzheimer´s to PEOPLE in an exclusive 2011 interview. Campbell and his fourth wife, Kim Woolen, decided to go public with the news because Campbell hoped to embark on a final farewell live tour. The couple wanted his

Even Hillary Clinton Isn’t Sure What
We Should Like About Hillary Clinton

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PJ Media, by Stephen Kruiser    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 4/18/2014 4:33:53 AM     Post Reply
The first step is admitting… It was a simple question to someone accustomed to much tougher ones: What was her proudest achievement as secretary of state? But for a moment, Hillary Rodham Clinton, appearing recently before a friendly audience at a women’s forum in Manhattan, seemed flustered.(Snip)So…no definitive successes and some clear-cut failures. And that’s the generous New York Times assessment. The Democrat fantasy story about Mrs. Clinton paints her as strong and accomplished on her own. In reality, this is a woman who is professionally defined almost entirely by two men in her life, both of whom happen to have

Those ‘rogue’ agents
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New York Post, by Editorial    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 4/18/2014 4:37:07 AM     Post Reply
Remember when Lois Lerner, in answering a planted question at an American Bar Association conference, admitted the IRS had targeted conservative groups but tried to pass it off as the work of rogue agents — “our line people in Cincinnati”? Today we know there were indeed federal agents involved. But they weren’t rogue, and they weren’t confined to IRS workers in Cincinnati. Thanks to a Freedom of Information request by Judicial Watch, we now have an e-mail Lerner sent to colleagues noting the Department of Justice was looking into criminal prosecutions of these tax-exempt groups. We know something else, too. These investigations


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