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Before wringing your hands at the
madness of American gun laws, read this

Telegraph [UK], by Jake Wallis Simons

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Posted By:Attercliffe, 12/16/2012 5:34:34 PM

Barack Obama´s emotional response to the Newton shootings was measured, heartfelt, and exceptionally moving. When seen through a political prism, however, it contained one a single highly charged line: "We´re going to have to come together to take meaningful action to prevent further tragedies like this, regardless of the politics." This has thrown America, once again, into a frenetic debate about the right to bear arms. However fervently Obama might wish for political concord--and even though, in the words of former Democratic congressman Bob Edgar, “nothing is more powerful than a classroom of kindergarten kids getting killed by assault weapons”

Comments:
Jake WS has put together a sane, logical column explaining why strict gun control is not the answer to gun violence in the US. While he admits to a personal belief that US gun laws should be tightened he logically explains why they are not. Good man. Doesn´t let his beliefs overpower the reality of our cultural, political and philosophical stance.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Country Boy, 12/16/2012 6:11:10 PM     (No. 9069726)

Get TF out of here. Obama is the last one qualified to comment on this problem. He goes out there 24X7 telling his base to be ANGRY that somebody screwed them, took success from them, gets re-elected. OK, this is just a vehicle to get low information voters voting for Progressive Dems. But when the 1% of mentally ill, mentally challenged don´t understand the nuance of voting versus the nuance of shooting, it remains the Progressive/Dem responsibility for stirring up this massive rage.

The Dems are the Party of Destruction, in their own design and in ways they didn´t even intend.

These shootings (ever more common) are blood on their hands.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: neanderthal, 12/16/2012 6:12:17 PM     (No. 9069727)

No matter what, the decision will be based on what will get the most votes in the next election. Nothing else counts. Nothing else ever counts.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: richwill, 12/16/2012 6:18:54 PM     (No. 9069734)

Let us look at the killers background. Is he an anti-gun advocate? How much influence did his mother have on his beliefs? The writer of the article comes close to developing a valid reason a wacko will kill children. We no longer can take the mentally ill off the streets. I blame the libs for these killings more than anyone else. What has happened to this country that these types of events are more and more common place. This never happened when I was growing up.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: neanderthal, 12/16/2012 6:24:20 PM     (No. 9069746)

People who want to cause mayhem will find a way to do it. The worst school killing in this country was caused by three home-made bombs. What´s creating these mayhem-makers? That´s the question. Answer: Divorce courts, Nurse-Ratched women bosses, the illiterate, uncaring
masses of day-care(?really)losers, the 40year-long successful emasculation of American men, frustrated multi-tasking (can´t be done)mothers that nobody´s happy when they see her drive up. That´s what causes boys to go mad and destroy anything they can find.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: jl80863, 12/16/2012 6:36:40 PM     (No. 9069762)

The "assault rifle" was in the car and was not used in the murder of the innocents. The writer sure woudn´t want to burden readers with facts.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: retiree, 12/16/2012 6:38:25 PM     (No. 9069764)

Hollywood liberals don´t have a problem making the films that promote violence. Game makers don´t have a problem with games that do nothing but kill. Does anyone know if this guy was into these video games?
That could have something to do with what happened.
These same liberals are the ones who want gun rights taken away.Morgan Freeman gave his take on it and I know he has been in films that promote violence.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Mai Bad, 12/16/2012 6:50:23 PM     (No. 9069774)

Yo..yo... AR15s have been available to the public since about 1965. What is different now??? That is the real question!! Why are people willing to use them to kill unarmed citizens?? We need more mental health answers.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Mai Bad, 12/16/2012 6:55:21 PM     (No. 9069780)

Yo..yo.. Cho blasted the Va Tech kids and what did the Virginia authorities do?? Why they enacted more gun control laws. AND Virginia is still 48th in the country for spending on mental health. 48th...got that?? The Virginia and US authorities don´ t give a crap about sick people!! Just put them in jail. IT´ CHEAPER!!

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Reply 9 - Posted by: dvc, 12/16/2012 7:16:46 PM     (No. 9069799)

Laws preventing institutionalization of mental defectives (not a politically correct term, but accurate) of various types causes the country to periodically have to deal with killings. Sometimes two or three, sometimes more.

There is an inverse relationship to murders and ease of firearms access. More guns = Less crime. Absolutely proven fact, and the hoplophobes have been frantically faking data to try to prove otherwise.

Millions legally and safely carry guns daily in the US, guns are NOT the problem. Evil and insane people are the problem. Brits are prohibited form handgun ownership, their handgun murder rate is higher than the US at times.


Humanity will never eliminate evil and insane, the only possible improvement is by identification, court proceedings and removal from society. Prisons and asylums.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Di Guy, 12/16/2012 7:17:28 PM     (No. 9069800)

Everyone will just have to forgive me...

But I don´t think that the slaughter of the children is a mandate for gun control. Rather, I think it is a mandate to allow God back into the public schools...and into all other areas of public list.

I just wish there were politicians with enough courage to demand this. We could pass a law tomorrow to override the Supreme Court. We won´t. But we could.

There. I´ve said it.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Udanja99, 12/16/2012 7:30:10 PM     (No. 9069814)

The writer lost me with the first sentence. If he´s that delusional about 0bama, then he has nothing to say that I need to read.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Lawsy0, 12/16/2012 7:51:36 PM     (No. 9069829)

We need to take meaningful action about mental illness, particularly as it affects children, preteens and young adults. We had a chance in November to take meaningful action against all this quasi-emotional grandstanding, but the majority chose this blow-hard instead.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Emmajustin, 12/16/2012 8:01:46 PM     (No. 9069832)

This isn´t just mental illness.
This is young kids with limited guidance, self responsibility and too much time on their hands.
Put these kids to work in long, hard, physically draining jobs.
Teach them to take responsibility for their actions, give them opportunities to succeed based on their own hard work and to fail based on their laziness.
Don´t just think they have a disease, give them a pill or lock them in a room.


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Reply 14 - Posted by: rocket scientist, 12/16/2012 8:06:10 PM     (No. 9069835)

I have mentioned this before but the way the Israelis deal with situations like this is almost every able adult over there carries a firearm. In a typical Israeli school the principal, the teachers, even the janitor all carry firearms. Their buildings are very secure also. If this bozo tried to break into an Israeli school he would have been shot dead on the spot, no questions asked.
That is how you keep a school secure, with am armed staff. Whether it is a determined terrorist, or a determined crazy man, they can be stopped before they are allowed to do their dirty work.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: LadyHen, 12/16/2012 8:10:58 PM     (No. 9069840)

Anyone remember Anders Behring Breivik in Norway, a country with very strict gun laws?

Google the Breitbart article
"100% Gun Control Can´t Stop Crazy."

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Reply 16 - Posted by: dcomd, 12/16/2012 8:21:36 PM     (No. 9069845)

AMEN, #10!

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Reply 17 - Posted by: 68BattleofBealeVet, 12/16/2012 8:47:05 PM     (No. 9069862)

No, I will not give up the ability to protect my family.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: flatwater, 12/16/2012 9:01:06 PM     (No. 9069875)

WHY did Barack Obama sell THOUSANDS of weapons to Mexico´s most murderous drug gangs?

Because he wanted to attack the Second Amendment.

Over 300 Mexican citizens are DEAD as a result of Obama´s treachery....

....while Obama and Eric Holder hide behind "Executive Privilege" and a compliant Leftist Media in order to avoid answering ANY tough questions.

Don´t tell me Barack Obama cares. He doesn´t. He´s hiding behind murdered children, more than happy to exploit a national tragedy in order to attack our Constitutional rights.

Barack Obama has the blood of over 300 innocents on his hands. Phony tears and heartfelt speeches won´t change this fact.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: novakid, 12/16/2012 9:40:02 PM     (No. 9069914)

I think I heard that, "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." Isn´t that the case in Chicago and Washington DC?

I seem to remember something about guns in Germany being removed from civilian hands by Hitler. Oh, but there can´t be a parallel....

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Reply 20 - Posted by: texaspast, 12/16/2012 9:54:45 PM     (No. 9069928)

Of all the things you hear about these men/boys who commit these horrible mass murders, you NEVER hear anyone say ´but they were in church every Sunday.´ Never.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Democracy First, 12/16/2012 10:11:37 PM     (No. 9069945)

3 things: 1- fast and furious. 2-Benghazi. 3-who really cares what some foreigner thinks of our gun laws? Supportive or not, it is none of his business.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: FormerDem, 12/16/2012 10:23:02 PM     (No. 9069954)

One more time - We don´t trust the government to be the only ones with weapons. That´s the Founders´ argument for the right to bear arms - the untrustworthiness of governments. Obama for example loves cramdowns and is in the middle of one now, slow-walking Boehner off a cliff. Wants to bring a gun to a knife fight. Wants to punish his enemies. Thinks IDs at voter stations are voter suppression. Actually these sentiments are perfectly normal for the kind of personality type that seeks the presidency. We don´t want those people armed when we are not. This is a sentiment from the late 17th century and remains true today.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: mustang flyer, 12/16/2012 10:44:11 PM     (No. 9069973)

Yes the Connecticut shootings were a terrible thing to happen...In a country of over 300 million people maybe ten flip their balance and do major tragic things. We have over 100 million guns in the country and when some are used in a wrongful manner the media, the left, the anti gun crowd, go nuts...they DEMAND the destruction of guns as if that will stop the senseless killings. How blantantly stupid they are. The state of Illinois and it´s main city of Chicago are adamantly ANTI gun and have been for years...check this for yourself, this year so far Chicago has had nearly 700 shootings...in a state and city that does not permit guns...it has been a week since a federal judge declared that carrying concealed is to be legal there. I doubt seriously that that long road to carry has yet been opened. The point is that 700 souls have been shot in an anti gun city...Connecticut lost 25 but Chicago 700...that´s 28 times more than Connecticut...where´s the outrage by the President, by the Congress, by the cops...just the grieving families...but no action. Do you think that banning guns will stop crime? It´s a MENTAL situation and we have hundreds of thousands of loonies running loose. A MENTAL thing and now we have three STATES that permit the open use of drugs that ALTER our thinking and the users behavior. Do we really think that things will get better? How foolish and stupid the whole issue is. Who is addressing the MENTAL problems? At least I want to be able to protect MYSELF from all the LEGAL nuts on the loose, a cop is too heavy to carry around.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: jorgecito, 12/16/2012 11:08:16 PM     (No. 9069998)

Well said, #4. I too think ´60s feminists are to blame for much of this.

Daycare, divorce, the stressed-out career mom who strives to "juggle" work and children -- all of these things have been devastating to thousands of children for over a generation now.

Add in toxic video games + toxic medications. We should not be surprised at the result.

And thanks #4 for reminding me of the Bath, Michigan massacre. WORST school mass murders in US history (44 children and adults killed). And that atrocity, in 1927, was committed with NO guns.



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Reply 25 - Posted by: Philipsonh, 12/16/2012 11:41:57 PM     (No. 9070047)

What Obama says is one thing . What his agenda is is completely different. It´s ALL about politics, power, money, and a left-wing driven agenda.

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The Obama administration is prepared to give prospective Obamacare enrollees another half-month to signup for insurance coverage through the Affordable Care Act website, healthcare.gov, treating the law´s March 31 regulatory deadline as a formality for Americans who claim they tried in earnest to sign up in time. During a March 12 congressional hearing, HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius told Texas Republican Rep. Kevin Brady that there would be no such extensions. ´Are you going to delay the open enrollment beyond March 31?´ Brady asked. ´No, sir,´ she replied. On the same day, Julie Bataille, a spokeswoman for the

It´s time for White House to start sweating
over legal challenge to Obamacare subsidies

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Washington Examiner [DC], by Philip Klein    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 3/26/2014 5:25:58 AM     Post Reply
As the U.S. Supreme Court weighed the constitutionality of a contraception coverage mandate Tuesday morning, a federal appeals court heard a separate legal challenge that could have much more sweeping implications for the future of President Obama´s health care law. And if the oral arguments before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit are any indication, it’s time for the White House to start sweating over a lawsuit that up until now has flown relatively below the radar. At issue in the case are the subsidies that the federal government provides for individuals purchasing insurance through Obamacare. Though the text

Andrea Mitchell Slams Hobby
Lobby: ´What Right Do They Have
to Interfere With Medical
Decisions by Women?´

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Newsbusters, by Kyle Drennen    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 3/25/2014 10:21:26 PM     Post Reply
On her 12 p.m. ET hour MSNBC show on Tuesday, host Andrea Mitchell interrogated attorney Mark Rienzi for representing Hobby Lobby in the Supreme Court case against the ObamaCare contraception mandate: "What right do they have, again, to interfere with medical decisions by women?...I mean, this gets to the whole issue of women´s health and why should women be discriminated against in ways that other medical beneficiaries are not?" [Listen to the audio or watch the video after the jump] Rienzi pushed back: "No one´s discriminating against women, Andrea, all they´re saying is that, you´re right, these are personal decisions,

Harry Reid: Obamacare Delayed
Because ‘People Are Not Educated
About How to Use the Internet’

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Mediaite, by Noah Rothman    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 3/26/2014 1:47:46 PM     Post Reply
On Wednesday, Obama administration officials announced a two week extension in the deadline to enroll in the Affordable Care Act or face a penalty defined as a tax. Asked about this “delay” in the implementation of the ACA on Wednesday, Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV) said that there has been no delay. He added that some of the users who experienced problems with the website early on need more time, partially because “people are not educated about how to use the internet.” “There’s no hiccup or delay,” Reid insisted. “We had hundreds of thousands of people who tried to sign up and


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