The massacre in Newtown, Connecticut is too awful for anyone to fully comprehend, especially from a distance. You watch the coverage of people you don’t know and will never meet, and yet you still find yourself nearly overwhelmed as the stories of terror, of immense sorrow and loss, and of heroism are told. Particularly as a parent, you cannot help but wonder: What if it had been my child gunned down in elementary school? And then you begin to realize there’s a reason the death of a child is said to be the hardest thing for a human being to endure, the “grief surpassing all.”
Mike Huckabee´s comments resemble other ignorant comments made during the recent Presidential campaign by Republican politicians and are why a lot of people just would not vote for the Republican ticket.
As long as a good portion of the Republican Party are deemed to be right wing religious fanatics who are seeking to regulate what goes on in the bedrooms of America, the Republicans will be having the same problem obtaining votes from a huge number of Americans.
Maybe Huckabee and Peter Wehner are both right. The increase in school violence happens to coincide with the removal of God from school and with the change in the way our society chose to deal with the mentally ill during the Carter years.
It is hard to argue that the systematic elimination of moral teaching caused a specific event. However in the larger picture, it is clear that the deterioration of our moral foundation combined with a relentless push to glamorize sex, drugs, and violence is going to have negative consequences.
Wehner apparently bought into Obama´s speech. I did not. Perhaps I am too much conditioned by previous performance, but I saw Obama´s speech as a phony baloney plastic banana performance to try to make us see him as an empathetic human being, which he decidedly is not.
God is being systematically removed from many parts of America. Atheists make demands, and America accommodates. Huck should have been more truthful. The ONLY truthful answer he could possibly have given is, "I don´t know."
The generic form of the question is as old as the hills, "If God is good, how can he allow bad things to happen to the innocent?" Huck stepped in ´it´ because "I don´t know" is very hard for spiritual leaders to say.
The athiests always have an impressive clinicle name for what ailes the poor unfortunate perpatrater.
Raising generations of kids in fatherless homes wear every deviant kind of behavior is excused and God is refrenced as superstition is the root cause of the many sensless and horific crimes we see today.
Whether its the inner city whear people are literally killed for a stinking cell phone at the rate of hundreds per year or a tragic event such as this.
God is not present in these peoples lives, they are not taught even the basic things that allow us to have the simpelest regard for another humans life.
progerssive liberalism is an evil that sucks the fundamental human aspect of love and respect for another from those who have bee raised with it.
The more we abhor the teachings of Christ and the love of God, the more of this we will see.
Peter is wrong. We didn´t just take God out of the school Wed and this happened Friday. We have been taking God out for years and replacing him with sex, violence, decadence, lack of responsibility and disdain. The decay of our moral spine and filth in our culture led to this guy not caring. I don´t buy that so many folks have mental illness. I think most would be "cured" by a strong kick in the %^^ and forced to work a hard day´s work in the yard and healthy food and no crap. Let them work the junk out of their system. What we have now are a bunch of lazy whining punks. I vow not to go to any gun free zones.
Mr. Wehner reveals his religious prejudice when he accuses Mike Huckabee of "theodicy" for saying that driving God out of American life sets the stage for tragedies of this sort. On the one hand, these children were innocents, so I believe that their souls are precious in the eyes of God, so His mercy is upon them. But on the other hand, many Americans today disdain God and seek to eliminate Him from American life. But by rejecting God´s presence, we also cut ourselves off from his protection and blessings. This is clearly the case now in America where hate and violence are on the rise and many people face hardship and deprivation from natural disasters and economic troubles. Therefore, the solution to these problems is not political or social action. Instead, we need to look to the One who is able to deliver us from evil.
[[[For Huckabee to assume Lanza went on his rampage because “God has been removed from our schools” is witless. ]]]
Huckabee suported Akin. Nothing more really needs to be said. God cannot *be* removed from anywhere. Women´s bodies do not shut down rape - legitimate or otherwise. Huckabee is simply a lost soul with a microphone who is seriously hurting the republican party.
Once again, both Huckabee and the folks who have posted have made a classic error: There is no connection between correlation and causation. To put it in a nutshell, just because one thing happened after another doesn´t mean the first caused the second.
God has been removed from our lives, not just from our schools. The sense of shame, accountability and responsibility have gone out the window. If you don´t think you will ever have to face a higher being at the time of your death, then you will be afraid of nothing that you do on this earth.
The people who are mad at Huckabee saw nothing wrong with trotting out the gun control mantra before the smoke had even cleared from the senseless shootings.
Talking about accountability for Benghazi was called "politicizing" and a "gaffe" by Romney and republicans. Scoring Brownie points by having liberals scream for gun control is just as odious at a time when we should be thinking of burying the dead and praying for those they left behind.
Gov. Huckabee didn´t make his point (that I think he had in mind) very well...which is that the disappearance of God in our general discourse, the loss of taken-for-granted acceptance of God and His Ultimate Judgement, the loss of trust in God...all this has coincided (caused by?) a general trend to selfishness, to digital and cinema violence, to quick-fix, high-voltage entertainment.
A couple generations ago, a fistfight was a good way of dissipating tensions and righting injustices. Now a weaponless fight is never enough...not when children go home from school to kill each other digitally through interactive games.
And less and less, while the concept of a Judgmental God has disappeared from our schools and in general societal interaction, it isn´t replaced in homes much...nor is digital violence controlled in many homes.
Violence to feel better or to solve problems can become addictive. I am glad I am not raising children in this kind of atmosphere. It isn´t as bad as raising a child in Gaza, for example, but it is much worse than it was in my time. I fear for my grandchildren...but their parents do keep a steady hand on the helm, so to speak.
An unhinged individual shoots 20 small children plus 7 adults and ´Elmer Gantry´ Huckabee asserts it´s because God is not in the classroom. If this individual had killed them at a little league or scout assembly, wonder what rationale Huckabee would have conjured up? Predictibly, the usual suspects are right on cue, defending this ax grinding moronic political hack.
Don´t know much theology. It boils down to the good Father´s line in ´Rudy´: There is a God. And I´m not him. We don´t know why there is horror and suffering. Most people, religious or not, do try to live the Golden Rule. But, in Huckabee´s defense, there seems to be a correlation in folks stifled from mentioning God and outrageous behavior. How many times have we seen it? The Nazis. The Communists. Perhaps, for troubled souls, there was a comfort and an assurance in God (as for us all) that is now submerged in our secular culture. And so we reap what we sow.
I´m not a big Huckabee fan but in this case I think he is absolutely correct and the author needs to get a grip. If Huckabee had made some statement about gun confiscation, the author would like have gushed all over that statement.
Liberals and communists have forced God aside and out and God said "Okay, you want to run things? Go run things yourselves without me and let me know how that works out."
I am an evangelical Christian and a rabid conservative just a shade to the right of Antonin Scalia. And I think Huckabee´s statement was stupid. Now maybe God isn´t pleased with the radical leftist bent (mostly being anti-everything He stands for and Is) of most education materials/educators, but I cannot correlate the murders of these children with God not being in the schools. Which brings me to another point - God can´t be forced out of anywhere. GMAB. There are still teachers and students (many, if not most in many areas of the country) who place their faith in God. There are still religious activities on campus legally.
I don´t think the status of the schools had anything to do with any of the school shootings. I think most of the school shootings had far more to do with interfamily dynamics than anything else. Huckabee is like fingernails on a blackboard to me.
I was reading Hillsdale College’s newsletter ‘Imprimis’ yesterday. It is an interview with Pres. Larry Arnn by Hugh Hewitt, titled: ‘Time to Give Up or Time to Fight On?’ Arnn said: “According to modern historicism, the only objective truth is that one can’t know an objective truth. President Obama [along with many graduates of top universities] embraces this view in no uncertain terms in his book The Audacity of Hope: ‘Implicit...in the very idea of ordered liberty,’ he writes, is ‘a rejection of absolute truth, the infallibility of any idea or ideology or theology or ‘ism,’ any tyrannical consistency that might lock future generations into a single unalterable course…’ So much for individual rights and limited government,” [Arnn concluded.]
Thus far, Gov. Huckabee has his right of free speech to say what he wants, as do we Ldotters to say he’s either an idiot or wise. And it’s important that we keep that right of free speech.
But, IMO, what we saw on Friday was EVIL in action. It could have happened anywhere – in a church or synagogue; at the mall or grocery store – and that random acting out is what scares us most.
All smokers don´t die of lung cancer. All speeders don´t crash their cars. All Sunday School kids don´t become perfect. All Grand Theft Auto players don´t steal and kill.
But there some kind of connection there.
Reply 24 - Posted by:
ann, 12/16/2012 6:27:28 AM (No. 9068619)
I agree with Huckabee. There is a war against Christmas and Christianity. When grieving people say ´Where was God´....do they reflect how much our culture hates God and any reference to Him?---We litigate Nativity Scenes in the public square at Christmas (or, as the secular crowd calls it ´Winter Holiday´)&....We shut God out of the classroom & have since the early 60´s when prayer was banned .....we yank down the Ten Commandments when anyone with courage dares to put it on display....our movies relish taking God´s name in vain......and then we ask...´Where was God´............and, for what it´s worth, can any one of you create a human being with every sinew, bone, muscle, ligament absolutly perfect?...No?...Well, God can.....and yet, our own country has systematically murdered 50 million created babies.----and you still ask, ....´Where Was God´
What Mike Huckabee was saying is just what Ronald Reagan (and many other people) warned about many years ago. President Reagan said, ´´In 1962, the Supreme Court ... banned the ... saying of prayers. In 1963, the Court banned the reading of the Bible in our public schools ... a series of assaults were made in one court after another. Without God there is no virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience. ... Without God there is a coarsening of the society. Without God democracy will not and cannot long endure. ... America needs God more than God needs America. If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under.´´
Ronald Reagan was right; our country is going under rapidly. #19 mentions the Golden Rule. My guess is that most Americans now days do not know what the Golden Rule is nor would they know that it comes from God´s Holy Word. It is not a natural reaction in a ´´Me First´´ Society. Ronald Reagan was right. We are reaping that lack of virtue and coarsening of society that results when teaching of God and our relationship to Him is lost to our citizens. The results aren´t pretty.
It is people like Huckabee, coming up with all sorts of non sequitar excuses, that block the way for an honest conversation in this country about mental illness. The fact is that psychiatric disorders are diseases of the brain in the same manner that Alzheimer´s is a disease of the brain. In olden days such people were put into institutions early on. As a society, we realized that was too much - locking people up for life due to a brain disorder didn´t make sense, especially when modern medicine could help many live a quality life without institutionalization.
But we as a society went too far. We emptied the institutions without bothering to put in place the community resources to help the mentally ill live successfully in the communities. And then we acted surprised when we found homeless people living on the streets - often the same people who would have been provided a bed and warm meals in the institutions we denigrated. We ´protected´ the mentally ill from being hospitalized, even briefly, by blocking their families, doctors and police from having them put inpatient unless they were deemed an ´imminent´ risk by a judge. So we waited until they committed crimes before treating them, and turned our prisons and jails into de facto mental institutions.
This tragedy had nothing to do with whether or not God was in the schools. It has to do with the ridiculous rules - only present in the USA - regarding the mentally ill. Fix the rules, including access to weapons by those diagnosed with specific disorders, and you fix the problem.
I agree with poster #29. Many forget that Huckabee is an ordained minister and was wearing that hat when he made the observation. I find many conservatives so up tight with their purist views that they are unwilling to give slightly differing views any credit. Huckabee made a lot of sense, and I agree completely with him. It is not just taking away prayer from schools, we could not even sing Christmas carols in plays, even though IT WAS NOT AGAINST THE LAW at the time. Everyone was afraid ACLU would sue us, so we dropped everything halfway spiritual. Think of it!! It did make a difference in the atmosphere. Big trouble in the schools started that very year. Check it out with the statistics. There is a definite increase in pregnancies and other failures among students. Unbelievers will say phooey, but believers know that is much in the spiritual world that impacts the physical, and Reagan was a believer.
Not going to comment on Huckabee, just point out what I hope many of you already know: those who state "there is no such thing as absolute truth" are in fact attempting to make their own statement of absolute truth.
Reply 30 - Posted by:
Mai Bad, 12/16/2012 8:18:08 AM (No. 9068719)
Yo..yo...Whether you agree with Mike or not, these particular types of weapons have been around since at least 1966. Why NOW are they being used with frightening regularity??? SOMETHING in the culture has changed. Think about it. What in our country´s "modernized" culture has brought about these killings. The guns have been the constant variable.
Heh #1. As long as a good portion of the Republican Party are deemed to be right wing religious fanatics who are seeking to regulate what goes on in the bedrooms of America, the Republicans will be having the same problem obtaining votes from a huge number of Americans.
Well if the Left wing religious Sodomites did not parade our streets, our State legislatures, and our halls of justice, demanding acceptance of what goes on in their bedrooms, we would never know about it would we?
´And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving on themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.´ (Romans 1:27).
The religion of Sodom destroys the moral fiber of any nation.
Folks... what Mike is saying (and not very well) is this: the culture is being seriously damaged because the Judeo/Christian ethic is leaving the mainstream and being replaced by secular, self absorbed worldview which is embracing and glorifying murder fantasy roles in just about every type of media. This, along with a culture "hopped" up on drugs is like a kettle awaiting to explode.
God (and most of the tenets of Scripture) are being shoved out of the way and fairly rapidly creating a wicked, narcissitic society. This event captures this devilish transformation occurring and I fear that much more of it will be seen in the not too distant future!
Huckabee is no better at preaching than he is at playing the bass guitar. I usually cannot get to the remote fast enough when I accidentally let him on my TV. That said,I did get a chance to hear his entire statement on this and have to agree in principle. If religion teaches right and wrong then God was present in that school. However, he did not reside in the shooter´s mind and we may never know why. Clarice Feldman summed it up better than anyone has or will.
If Huckabee meant that the difference between good and evil, right and wrong, moral and immoral has been systematically eradicated from our educational process and that the killer was a product of such secular humanist indoctrination, then perhaps it would make sense. But that is not what he said.
Reply 35 - Posted by:
Grant Hodges, 12/16/2012 8:35:32 AM (No. 9068758)
Mr. Wehner knows that he can interpret Huckabee´s comment in the narrowest context, make it out to be unfair or stupid, and count on the usual lamestream crowd to back him up. In other words, Wehner´s words are cheap.
By backing God out of our society, we have invited in every evil. Feeling sorry for yourself is dignified. Showboating for a moment of glory is celebrated. And above all we are urged to believe in ourselves. Well, America has. And look what we got.
And which god would that be? America is supposed to be a place where the people who live there have freedom of religion. So, would that god be the Judeo-Christian one, the Buddhist one, the Hari Krishna one, the Scientology one, the Islam one..., etc.? Freedom of religion requires that NONE are to be embraced by, encouraged by, respected by - government. Public schools are government run, so therefore cannot embrace ONE religion over another, say the prayers of ONE religon over another, and so on.
If you disagree with this, you do not understand what religious freedom means.
Every time one of these televangelists like Huckabee makes one of these idiotic statements, they show that they, not only do not understand religious freedom, they are determined to take that freedom away from everyone that does not follow the same religion that THEY do, because THEIR God is not part of government, and therefore, schools.
Common sense alone suggests that, if you want your children to have religious training in the classroom, then send them to a non-public school that provides this.
Only secular people can comment in today´s climate. Christians must shut up. That is how bad things are. We are approaching a time when all Christian speech will be labeled hate speech and many of us will be in jail. Get ready. Republican moderates hate us just as much as liberals and libertarians. Many who backed Romney pooh pooh any of us who see our being attacked as a sign of our ignorance. I see the ´writing on the wall´ clearly. As our influence is reduced we will be seeing the end of the USA. Personally, I am sad for the loss to others but not for myself. I will be just fine no matter what.
I read that Patrick Henry wrote in 1776, ´´It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great Nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For that reason alone, people of other faiths have been afforded freedom of worship here.´´
Joseph Story, appointed in 1811 as Justice to the United States Supreme Court by President James Madison, the ´´Chief Architect of the Constitution´´ wrote, ´´We are not to attribute this prohibition of a national religious establishment [in the First Amendment] to an indifference to religion in general, and especially to Christianity (which none could hold in more reverence than the framers of the Constitution).... Any attempt to level all religions, and to make it a matter of state policy to hold all in utter indifference, would have created universal disapprobation, if not universal indignation.´´
Which god? You don´t know your American history, do you? That would be the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
To concur with Melody... the God of the declaration IS the God of the Bible. And to correct other ignorance that has been spouted on this thread and is very popular among the ignorant masses - it is not freedom of religion, it is freedom to practice the religion of your choice, specifically fought among our founding fathers... i.e. Thomas Jefferson, was the freedom to worship God via the religious system of your choosing and no "denominational" group could cast itself as a the official religion of Virginia or the United States. Maybe a trip to Montecello would help the ignorant to gain the proper, historical perspective.
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