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Justin Webb of the BBC: US gun control could provoke ‘something like a new civil war’
Telegraph [UK], by Damian Thompson
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Posted By:Attercliffe, 12/14/2012 8:36:37 PM
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| Justin Webb, one of the presenters of BBC Radio´s Today programme, has tweeted something true, unpalatable and – in the circumstances – rather brave in response to the Connecticut school shootings. "A real effort to reduce gun ownership in America would result in a rural/metro and north/south divide and something like a new civil war," he wrote. That´s not a comment for or against legislation: Webb is drawing our attention to an aspect of American society that Europeans find very difficult to grasp, and also to the subterranean complexity of the gun control debate. The correlation between gun ownership and
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Reply 1 - Posted by:
novakid, 12/14/2012 8:55:38 PM (No. 9066354)
Truism: When seconds count, your policeman is only minutes away....
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
Fat Elvis, 12/14/2012 9:13:16 PM (No. 9066385)
Believe it. Gun sales have soafred under Obama. Do you think these gun owners will give up the firearms they paid several hundred, or even thousands of dollars with a happy little smile? I believe War is on the horizon.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
chance_232, 12/14/2012 9:23:28 PM (No. 9066399)
The civil war started about 3 and a half years ago. It just hasn´t gone hot yet.
The US right now is like a forest with little rainfall. Getting drier and drier by the day....waiting for either an end to the drought or the lightning strike to set the conflagration.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
trapper, 12/14/2012 9:26:56 PM (No. 9066403)
I´m not even going to read it. Have they learned nothing about us? The world has been watching America peacefully resolve our differences for over 150 years, and still they don´t get it. Some new effort at unlawful gun control will not result in a civil war. It will result in lawsuits, injunctions against their enforcement, and ultimately the reaffirmation of our RIGHT to bear arms. Silly Brits.
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
bobn.t, 12/14/2012 9:29:49 PM (No. 9066407)
TRYING to take guns away from Americans MIGHT happen.
TAKING guns away from Americans WILL NOT happen.
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KimoSaavy, 12/14/2012 10:05:00 PM (No. 9066463)
He may have a point. People wonder how Castro established his dictatorship. Why so easy. The first thing he did was confiscate the guns from the Cuban citizenry who gave them up without much fanfare. After 50 years Castro is stil there wielding the tyrannical sword and making life not worth living and pure hell for Cubans.
We need to eliminate craziness and criminals. You start by having morals and decent societal values. Since we are going the opposite direction with the help of politicians, is evidence craziness is what they want to establish tyranny. Look at the talking heads coming out of the woodworks.
Good luck trying to disarm the populace even if the military were forced on the people. That idiot in Michigan was right. There will be more blood. What a sad day. Children die and politicians polick against law abiding citizens (the 2nd amendment was intended ONLY for law abiding citizens).
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Nevadadad46, 12/14/2012 10:34:05 PM (No. 9066500)
Yes, of course they will surrender their guns- every law abiding citizen who now owns a gun will obey the law- properly and according to their belief in the law. It is not the law abiding I am worried about. It is the non-law abiding the government should have trouble with and so will the unarmed citizens who have surrendered their weapons. And, alarmingly, it is not the illegal gun owners/holders the government under Øbama cares about.
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bighambone, 12/14/2012 11:13:30 PM (No. 9066547)
Can you see Obama going down to Texas telling everyone there to turn in their guns to the gobernment, and to ignore the Mexican drug and other gangs coming across the borderline to murder a lot of Texans!
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
redink, 12/15/2012 12:06:44 AM (No. 9066594)
...and no one thought Obama would get enough votes or manage enough widespread fraud to win re-election either. Neither did we think Obamacare would be law. Nor did we believe the debt ceiling would be raised...this is a time to take nothing for granted. It won´t look like an outright ban...Obama and his media quislings know how to neuter the gun owners. Marxism is incremental. Media pressure. Petitions and demonstrations. The left is wild with the power they think they have. Civil war? Maybe...maybe not. A good radical knows when the people are ready to give up everything for safety. Guess we´ll see.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
erasmusrotten, 12/15/2012 12:35:35 AM (No. 9066621)
all your posts renew my hope in the American people. The real one. Thank you.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
Italiano, 12/15/2012 1:16:36 AM (No. 9066650)
After thoroughly surveying the national landscape and future prospects, I´ve heard worse ideas. Time to push back. Hard.
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
Kansas Conservative, 12/15/2012 1:44:35 AM (No. 9066670)
They can have my gun when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
Spidey, 12/15/2012 4:01:31 AM (No. 9066737)
`We now have burglars that are calling 911 because the homeowner took a shot at them. How dare they? I´m entitled to steal because of past injustices,so put that gun down.
We have a new breed of entitled criminal in this country that makes guns even more necessary. What about the rape victim who had to dial 911 withe her tongue? Did the cops get there to prevent her rape? Rapes are exploding in certain areas of this country and my guess they´re happening in big gun control states.
At the same time,in carry states more and more women are becoming locked and loaded and i say good for them.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
GringoinQuito, 12/15/2012 7:29:35 AM (No. 9066854)
BAN QUENTIN TARANTINO FROM MAKING MOVIES!
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
AltaD, 12/15/2012 8:25:27 AM (No. 9066940)
I suggest the Feds start with Chicago, come here and collect the guns from all the gangbangers. Then, if anyone is still alive, they can move on to Gary, Memphis, Detroit, St. Louis, any and all cities run by Dems.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
901AtTheRiver, 12/15/2012 8:32:22 AM (No. 9066952)
Two short paragraphs, 673 comments and counting. The writer´s point is well taken.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
JimS, 12/15/2012 8:34:51 AM (No. 9066960)
No, not at all. I AM FOR GUN CONTROL. Gun control for Liberals, and Progs only. Seems every spate of violence is from one of Obama´s voter groups. In this case the family of a teacher from blue Connecticut. In Gabby Giffords´ case, a deranged student. In probably 80% of gun cases, black people, who voted 96% for Obama. So the answer would seem logical. If you register or vote Dem, no guns for you. /s But seriously, this has more logic than other gun proposals I´ve seen.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
capt scurvey, 12/15/2012 8:45:53 AM (No. 9066985)
There´s the answer; let´s just make guns illegal, like we did with heroin...
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
gasmeterguy, 12/15/2012 9:00:01 AM (No. 9067022)
Perhaps if we put the Ten Commandments back on schoolroom walls, allow reading from the Bible every morning, and prayer everywhere else on school property, this kind of tragedy would diminish.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
strike3, 12/15/2012 9:19:41 AM (No. 9067070)
It won´t be a new civil war, it will be the same old one taken to the next level. My money is on us.
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Attercliffe, 12/15/2012 9:20:18 AM (No. 9067071)
#3--Your metaphor is superb. And your post reminds me that the period 1939 to 1940 was known as "The Phoney War" in the UK. And that´s a good name for what we have now.
You can find out more about that period by checking Wikipedia and searching on "phoney" with an E. In part:
Contemporaneously, the period had also been referred to as the Twilight War (by Winston Churchill), der Sitzkrieg[1] ("the sitting war": a play on Blitzkrieg), the Bore War (a play on the Boer War), and drôle de guerre ("strange/funny war").
The term "Phoney War" was possibly coined by U.S. Senator William Borah who stated, in September 1939: "There is something phoney about this war."[2]
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Attercliffe, 12/15/2012 1:33:40 PM (No. 9067657)
#4, it;s obvious you didn´t read the article. Had you done so you would have realized that it was a BBC--BBC--staffer who made the comment quoted. The BBC is a notoriously left-wing organization, unlike the Telegraph which is conservative. As
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Attercliffe, 12/15/2012 1:37:14 PM (No. 9067660)
#4, it´s obvious that you didn´t read the article and didn´t understand the header. Had you done so you would have seen that it was a BBC staffer who made the comment quoted, not someone from the Telegraph. The BBC is a notoriously left-wing organization, unlike the Telegraph which is known to be conservative.
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