Mitt Romney lost the election after an ‘extraordinary’ collapse in support among white men, the very group the Republicans counted on to turn out for him. As the official inquest into the defeat got underway, the former Presidential candidate’s own pollster revealed his lead among white males was cut from 27 points to as low as 12 points. Staff revealed that nobody had even read Clint Eastwood’s speech at the Republican National Convention which caused them deep embarrassment. And in another blow, Romney’s own campaign manager also admitted that his infamous 47 percent comment was ‘the epitome of low
Comments: I understand the Clint and 47% problems. Yeah, I know--the media. I thought Clint Eastwood was hysterically funny but not everyone has the same sense of humor.
But the precipitous drop in voting by white men?
Wow! As much as 15 points. Why? Was it because they didn´t like Romney or Mormonism--don´t like him so I won´t vote at all--so there! (Stamped-foot syndrome.) Was this, at least in part, the effect of resentful Ron Paul supporters?
Somebody with a good brain better get that analyzed--fast. 2016 is coming right up.
I dunno...I witnessed a ton more enthusiasm for Mitt than I felt or saw with Dole or McCain and if you didn´t care for Mitt there were a lot more reasons to "hold your nose" and vote for Mitt than there ever were in the past.
Romney tried to close the gender gap by appealing to women. Nothing wrong with that but he forgot that men are about half of the population as well. I haven´t been enthused about a Rebublican candidate since Reagan. Seems the Rebublicans want to run metrosexuals and it just doesn´t work for a lot of men. We want leaders, not metrosexuals.
I don´t doubt that Romney bled white males at the very end but it didn´t have anything to do with Eastwood.He started talking more and more about reaching across the aisle in the waning days of the campaign. He also said in the debates he would carry on a lot of Obama´s policies.This had to come form his moronic advisers who pounded him with various ideas to win the middle of the country.
It was also a tough sell saying he´d get rid of Obamacare when the plan was based on his own.He should have also picked a woman or minority as his running mate,Ryan didn´t deliver any discernible votes that I can tell.
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Country Boy, 12/5/2012 6:45:51 AM (No. 9049326)
Basic assumption here is that massive election fraud DID NOT happen. On the other hand, rumors abounded that the Spanish company that runs the electronic voting machines was in obama´s back pocket. Also disturbing is that the RNC is not allowed to challenge the DNC in an election. Voting Rights Act, whatever.
#4, ditto, dittos! Baby, it was fraud. You should see what the Dems did in the largest county in my state. They are still finding "lost" votes. The Dems in charge were not quite as slick as the Dems in battleground states and tried to do the same thing and couldn´t carry it off. Now that it is "settled", however, nothing will be done. West should have hung on. Hoping Fox gets him for a show. He is very articulate. And with zero having all of MSNBC over for tea, we will need all the media help that we can get to oppose marching orders given to Sharpton and the rest of the toadies.
Easily hacked computerized voting machines will override voter enthusiasm every time. There was every only one candidate on the ballot, regardless what your voting machine may have read. There will be no more free elections.
I believe it was the sudden emergence of Scytl software rather than the sudden popularity of Obama. I saw several speeches by Romney/Ryan to tens of thousands and the speeches by Obama/Biden to tens. I know of no one on our side who ´staying home´ to protest anything but know of many on their side who stayed home because they didn´t like their choice. They can tell me all day long about how this happened and that happened but unless their theory involves massive cheating, I ain´t buying.
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mean Gene, 12/5/2012 7:35:03 AM (No. 9049384)
This was exactly Obama´s aim. If you recall before election day, his cohorts were using every trick in the book to try to convince the lower-educated WHITE working male that his going out to vote was just a waste of time. Apparently it worked. People can be had.
Not to jump on the man( a decent soul with an important message) when he is down, but I can remember people like Larry Kudlow and many others offering real campaign advice, and never even getting a reply from said campaign. My own son in Denver paid for a Romney yard sign in a sea of Obama signs and it took over 6 weeks and three calls, plus me mentioning it on Lucianne, to even get that. And for me, most egregious, they made almost no use of Paul Ryan!!!!!!! They knew it all, and it turn out they knew little. But this white male thing just stuns me.
I think a lot of this retrospective analysis is ridiculous and a form of re-writing of history. The campaign is over. It´s important to move on and start re-building for the future. It can be done, and it will be done.
Stolen, folks. I know lots of high techies and they assure me that the computer software could be easily EASILY programmed to start changing Romney votes to Obama votes at some specific percentage of Romney to Obama winning. Suddenly every, say, third Romney vote flips to Obama, keeping the percentages just hign enough not to seem odd.
That day, or the day after, this could have been found by experts, but of course, the Repubs stuck their heads...uh, in the sand...and whimpered off, sniviling excuses and accusations against the R campaigns instead of screaming bloody murder. They like to lose, believe they should lose and therefore, LOSE. Bye bye America.
Lots of reasons, as there are for most complex human phenomena. One reason is that Mitt Romney ran a terrible campaign. A lot of people didn´t even know he was running for president until it was too late. Many of us sounded the alarm, cried warnings, pointed out that something was seriously wrong with the campaign. We were ignored or dismissed as naysayers. Only at the very last minute, beginning with the first debate, did Romney begin to campaign like he meant to win. Too little, too late. He just stood there like a cigar store Indian for at least a year while the Leftist-media slime and character assassination worked him over night and day seven days a week. He never once counter-attacked on any of Obama´s nearly limitless number of personal and political vulnerabilities. He called Obama "a nice guy." He thought he could win by acting like he was above the grubby, nasty, smelly sort of gutter politics that Democrats have long since mastered and which their tools in the news media use against Republicans and conservatives. Bad campaign, bad results. It is not impossible he might have won, though the odds were always against him. He could certainly have made a better showing. That he did not is no one´s fault but his own. The buck stops with him. He contributed mightily to his own defeat.
I agree that fraud was a major player in this election. I also think many young white males are more libertarian than GOP now. My oldest son did vote Romney, but he said after the loss he will never vote GOP again, he wants a libertarian option. I think the GOP is one small step away from death, it has become a useless party.
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god of irony, 12/5/2012 8:04:33 AM (No. 9049431)
I think the drop in white male support can be attributed anti-Mormom bigots. Go back look at some of the threads here at L.com. This place used to be run over by the "I´d never vote for a Mormon" crowd but when he won the party nomination it went silent. Those people didn´t change their minds, they just didn´t vote.
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R. Edgar, 12/5/2012 8:07:49 AM (No. 9049437)
Yes, the computerized voting systems seem to have the same level of integrity as those Cherrymaster video gambling machines you find in a dive bar or a questionable convenience store. They are all video, not mechanical, even though they look like they have slot machine reels. So you think you won the jackpot because for a split second you swear that you saw a bell and it´s now a cherry? It was a bell, but the microprocessor and the settings of the little DIP switches inside determine the payout percentage, which is whatever the programmer wants. Bell, Cherry; Romney, Obama.
I´m tired of the analysis and analysis of the analysis. It´s like Monday AM quarterbacking where everyone fantasizes about what could have or should have happened. Let´s move on-perfererably with a conservative viewpoint
I do not believe this. Flipping this on its head, do you really believe that white mails voted in droves for Obama? Or that they somehow switched from Romney to Obama before the election?
There may have been sour grapes types who sat out the election, or just couldn´t be bothered. They didn´t understand what was at stake, or they decided to make their own pathetic "statement" (which no one but them noticed).
There may have been the usual apathetics who don´t believe voting is all that important, or to whom it is a matter of mood on election day. Too much effort? Stay home.
There is no question in my mind that (1) the Democrats stick together and vote for the candidate who ends up with the (D) next to their name; (2) they do not divide up into factions the way Republicans do and are still doing, thus maintaining united strength; (3) they are more passionate about their cause, no matter how mindless it may be, and work harder for it than Republicans do. And they fight dirty.
I don´t like Mitt and did not want him to be president. I did, however, vote for him since I didn´t like his opponent.
However, I don´t think he lost. I think the democrats have refined stealing elections to an art. And the dummy Repubs just sit there and pretend it was a real election. It was over and done with by 5 p.m. California time. The crowd was waiting for his appearance screaming in victory. He and the wife and kids showed up, at 5 p.m. California time, took a bow and waltzed away to do whatever. We were set up.
Now on the other hand, I think the Repubs have one more chance to get it right. Do I think they got the message? No.
Romney´s pollster says they lost. Based on the Romney Campaign´s own polling data. Understand that. These are the people Mitt Romney paid to tell him what was happening--Romney´s people, not Obama´s, not Acorn, the Dems, or Spanish voting machines. Based on Romney´s polling data, they say he lost support among a crucial voting group. They say why: His 47% comment alienated people (there are a lot of decent Republicans who don´t pay Federal income tax) and Clint´s chair chat negated Romney´s convention bounce. At the time these things happened, some of us pointed these things out, and were excoriated by the Romney enthusiasts. Now that the same words are coming from the Romney Campaign, maybe they will listen and learn. But I doubt it. P.S. #20, Romney ran even with Bush 2004 among Evangelicals and ahead of Bush with Protestants overall. He lost votes in two major religious groups: Hispanic Catholics and Mormons. Presumably the anti-Mormon bigots you say decided this election were Mormon anti-Mormon bigots.
I think we have a problem until every old fart of the Akin/Mourdock mold has passed away. Not just women were repulsed by the ignorance of their opinions (and by the idiocy of saying them out loud). How many others in the party hold those views? To many Americans, they became the definition of a "conservative Republican".
Those who say we´re crazy to think the dimocrats might do something unethical ignore lots and lots of history and evidence to the contrary. Our election system has no auditing facility, no paper trail. Fraud is made easier by electronic reporting -- hacking is traceless and easy to centralize. On top of that, the polls were all saying Romney was going to win, when you factor out the dimocrat bias in the turnout models.
The prize is simply too big not to cheat for them. If they got caught cheating, whats the worst that could happen? Someone go to jail and they lose? People would give their lives for Obama and communism. Going to jail is a reasonable risk since they knew they were going to lose otherwise.
Vote fraud is like anthropogenic global warming. Yes it is happening but is it a material and major cause without which the climate won´t change? We don´t know and it seems unlikely. The widespread nature of 0bama´s lead and the p**s poor performance of key Senate candidates says we should not waste our time barking up this tree till 2016. The unanticipated drop in white male voters, which escaped even the last minute polls, is the key. We need fast answers on that.
I am sick to my stomach that Romney lost. But, most of us knew he might based on his lack of passion, blood and guts fighting, and reliance on staid ol white men from the ´club´. Posters who think they can win by making us vote for out of touch, out of idea men are crazy. The lack of any fight from Romney...yes I liked his debates but they only appealed to his supporters..not anyone on the fence. White men felt Romney was an empty guy..not someone they could trust to stay the course. All posters who keep supporting the Dole/McCain/Romney/Boehner types are damaging our country just as much as the Obama people.
Loss of support? That doesn´t explain my neighborhood and town being covered with Romney yard signs, in yards where I have never seen political signs in 22 years. Nor does it explain friends of mine, never interested in politics, then showing up at rallies and talking openly of this being our last chance. And it hardly explains the Obama with Bruce Springsteen rally held in Madison 2 days before the election and the turnout was less than a fifth of what the city planned for. There was great enthusiasm for Romney!
I vote fraud. With that said, I have a couple of thoughts. I believe Mr. Romney actually did win on November 6. So, Mr. Obama is governing a country that did not want him re-elected. That could prove to be difficult for him in the coming months. Secondly, for those who helped with the fraud, is this the country you want to live in? Is this the country you want for your children and grandchildren? A country where elections can be rigged? Lastly, for our friends in the media, is this the country you want? A media that picks the winners and losers? A media that hides the truth in order to serve an idealogy? Your children have to live here in the future too. It will be an interesting four years as Hilary begins her looooonnnggg campaign for the presidency. She will have to run against the present president and that could get messy.
Imagine who establishment republicans have already selected to run in 2014 and 2016. Imagine they will not imagine or cannot stop the ongoing transforming democrat coup. Imagine the political junky conservzative base will not be turning out ever again. So imagine establishment republicans are planning to lose even when their opponent is an unvetted anti-American, and a serial committer of high crimes, crimes against nature, and crimes against Christendom. Imagine there is no post-election plan for establishment republicans except to blame the blameless.
I know most posters here drank the Myth cool aid, but most conservatives didn´t.
The only reason to vote for Myth was to vote against Obama.
Given Myth was a slimey liar, who slandered actual conservatives during not one, but two, Republican primaries, many people just could not hold their nose hard enough to pull the lever for Myth.
The answer is not to be mad at actual conservatives as posters like to do here; the answer is to actively oppose fakes like Romney in the polifical process and give conservatives a conservative choice for whom to vote.
funny thing about white guys in flyover country. They don´t like being played. By crypto marxist urban troublemakers, or by boarding school club tie elitists. The establishment and the $tragists who love them assumed that as long as these guys were disconnected from the current White House occupant, probably because they were all redneck, bigoted duffeses ( duffei?), they´d vote for any old white guy, even if he did smell like the guy in the back of limo that smiled and waved as he drove the front of whatever line they were waiting in.
Once more, the 2010 elections and the rise of the T party, which establishment people remind us, like cosa nostra, doesn´t exist, was a repudiation of the bi partisan political class, which includes the republican establishment. So a primary that ignored the T party and pretty much denigrated any and all of their champions, pretty much disinvited those severe conservative white guys from day one.
I don´t believe this at ALL. Every conservative I know voted and every one of them voted for Romney. I also don´t believe this was any where near an honest election. In honest elections the voters wear purple thumbs after and the paper ballots are counted by humans.
Three thoughts: 1.Agree with #40, Romney and his people ignored the Tea Party. When Sara wasn´t invited to the convention I thought uh oh! Glenn Beck may have been a better candidate /s. 2. The corrupted software didn´t need to switch votes, it just needed to drop the Romney votes and shasam "white male vote way down" 3. Voter ID´s got to be there.
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