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Betraying Physical Books:
A Book Lover’s e-Dilemma

Time, by Tim Bajarin

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Posted By:MissMolly, 12/4/2012 5:58:18 AM

I am a very big fan of books. Over the years I have collected a library of close to 2,500 books of all kinds, with 300-plus dedicated to cooking and 200-plus focused on travel. I even have some first editions of Hemingway and Steinbeck favorites. And for decades, books were my travel companions on my many trips to Europe and Asia. In this regard, I am old school. I love the feel of the book and the tactile feel of turning a page. I can spend hours in an old used bookstore seeking out gems for my collection.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: JLoophole, 12/4/2012 6:21:45 AM     (No. 9047304)

We were talking about this very thing the other day, about how easy it will be, without written words in physical books, to adjust history and change the truth. My son in law made a very salient point...that not only are books in danger of disappearing, but so is information. We google "how to" when we need to know. If that source of information disappears or access is controlled, we will have an entire generation that doesn´t know how to find answers.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: proactus, 12/4/2012 6:30:41 AM     (No. 9047313)

Just wait until we see a noted expert interviewed on TV.
Instead of a full bookshelf behind them, we see an empty shelf with a tablet or kindle computer.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: chillijilli, 12/4/2012 6:42:19 AM     (No. 9047325)

And #1, also consider that the definition of intelligence is changing right before our eyes. No longer is intelligence measured by how much information and data one can retain, but rather how quickly one can *access* it.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Mazeman, 12/4/2012 6:42:51 AM     (No. 9047326)

This article is so 2010.

eBooks have won. If the author cherishes his first editions, he can now proudly display them on uncluttered shelves, not hidden by the 2,500 lesser books he´s amassed. *Those*, he can carry in one hand.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: jeffreyabigail, 12/4/2012 6:44:56 AM     (No. 9047332)

I must be the last person in the US without an e-reader and a smart phone.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Kitty Myers, 12/4/2012 6:51:31 AM     (No. 9047339)

#1 ...how easy it will be, without written words in physical books, to adjust history and change the truth.

That´s why I´ve been collecting recommended history books.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: MMC, 12/4/2012 7:08:26 AM     (No. 9047352)

I haven´t purchased a kindle or nook book yet... but am tempted as I sit through many sporting practices and travel...

However, I collect books. Scanned books can be altered... as can history with the click of a button.

I do not like the fact our library went away from the Dewey decimal system- to make it easier to find books. Anyway, I too collect history books written before 1950.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: StormCnter, 12/4/2012 7:09:08 AM     (No. 9047353)

No, #5. I join you. I am a devoted and enthusiastic reader of real, physical books and I get along just fine with my basic cellphone which provides me with the ability to receive and send phone calls. I´ve never even used the camera function.

To each his own.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Lawsy0, 12/4/2012 7:13:29 AM     (No. 9047358)

I´ve tried going through this site and I´ve tried going directly to TIME to read the entire article. The article has locked up my newly restored computer 3 times.

Makes me wonder how many posters have gotten all the way through it beyond the first paragraph.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: ramona, 12/4/2012 7:19:55 AM     (No. 9047366)

#5, you are not alone!
Ramona (the Pest)

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Reply 11 - Posted by: truthfetish, 12/4/2012 7:34:58 AM     (No. 9047393)

I empathize with some of the Luddite leanings here, yet I suspect the feeling is similar to what 15th-century clerics felt about that J. Gutenberg invention.

L-dotters, rejoice at the good technology brings. There has always been, and always will be, intellectual garbage propelled by new technology along with (and usually ahead of) great stuff like this site.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Judith, 12/4/2012 7:35:13 AM     (No. 9047394)

Whether something is printed in a real book or appears on an e-reader is irrelevant to truth and history. As we have seen in "newspapers" (nytimes/latimes wash.post)and read in innumerable books, distorting and lying about real events is very easy when you have a low-information populace who lack common sense. The vehicle of information is irrelevant. The people reading it that demand the source be held accountable is what is important and missing in today´s world.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: rollingcow, 12/4/2012 7:46:49 AM     (No. 9047412)

I use my Kindle to read the occasional trashy romance or to try a new author I´m not sure is worthy of my limited shelf space. If I like something well enough I buy the hardcover. As for cell phones, well, my old flip up phone died so Mr. Cow bought me an i-phone. It´s a handy way to tell time or to see the date, I love the built in calculator and find texting lists to Mr. Cow when he stops at the store for me a valuable tool. New fangled things aren´t bad, you just have to know how to make it work for you.
Mrs. Cow

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Reply 14 - Posted by: thelmalou, 12/4/2012 8:02:23 AM     (No. 9047434)

I don´t have an e-reader, but I do use Mother´s Kindle from time to time. GREAT space-saver for reading on the go. Otherwise, give me books!!! Love the idea of collecting history books. I don´t have a smart phone, either. Just don´t need one. Might check out the new Blackberry when they come out with their new OS in late January, though.


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Reply 15 - Posted by: Mazeman, 12/4/2012 8:14:22 AM     (No. 9047456)

#9

Site worked fine for me.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Rather Read, 12/4/2012 8:18:43 AM     (No. 9047464)

As you can see by my name, I am a reader. I have a house full of books and a kindle that is filling up. I like them both. I am determined not to be a luddite and I love the fact that I can carry my kindle with me and read while waiting in the doctor´s office, the auto repair shop and any other place I have to wait. I can then tune out the television which seems to be always set on The View no matter where or what time I am there.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: StormCnter, 12/4/2012 8:25:34 AM     (No. 9047478)

#9, the link works just fine. Perhaps your browser is the problem?

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Reply 18 - Posted by: RockingStrata, 12/4/2012 8:27:15 AM     (No. 9047483)

> We were talking about this very thing the other day, about how easy it will be, without written words in physical books, to adjust history and change the truth.

Especially because when you die, all your Amazon books vanish. Your children don´t get your collection, and there is no permanent record.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: pianogirl88, 12/4/2012 8:31:44 AM     (No. 9047493)

I love my Kindle. I still buy books, but the Kindle is easy to pick up, stick in my tote bag and head off to the college for the day. It´s easy to set up books in different categories to find them more easily. I have a couple books that I reach for almost every day for inspiration, so they are always with me. My best friend has problems with her eyes, and she is able to adjust the size of the print as needed. I was encouraged to buy one by a friend who is an author....she said she loves hers for travel and being able to take so many books with her.

All of my students have smart phones....when I rehearse with them, it´s actually nice for their ability to record accompaniments for them to use for future practicing on their own. I´m not sure I´m ready to take that step for myself, since I haven´t figured out how to use my old-fashioned flip phone.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: NorthernDog, 12/4/2012 8:33:20 AM     (No. 9047502)

Garage sales just won´t be the same when you can no longer poke through a pile of old books.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: MattMusson, 12/4/2012 8:45:59 AM     (No. 9047533)

From some guy who writes for an E-magazine.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: mrduc, 12/4/2012 8:59:56 AM     (No. 9047571)

Love my Sony E-Reader for travel and have had it for years. Love my hard covers for by the fireplace with the cat and the lap throw. However, I am very suspicious about history being altered with a keystroke, just like our last election was.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: earlybird, 12/4/2012 9:08:36 AM     (No. 9047590)

Re #5 and #8, ditto.

DH loves his iPad, his e-books and his iPhone. Anything with an i in front of it?



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Reply 24 - Posted by: earlybird, 12/4/2012 9:11:00 AM     (No. 9047596)

Re #9, I am getting entire article as usual. No problem. Sounds as though you may have a browser and/or firewall problem?

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Reply 25 - Posted by: chillijilli, 12/4/2012 9:18:07 AM     (No. 9047610)

"Mr Penumbra´s 24 Hour Bookstore" addresses these exact questions on a grander scale, within the setting of a quirky and mysterious half-hidden old book shop in San Francisco. Unusual characters come at all hours to rent books, which it turns out are filled with...codes.
The plot involves conflicts between Silicon Valley techies and an older generation of purists. Check out the reviews, no wonder it won Book of the Month or Year---it´s impossible to put down this whimsical but very thought-provoking book!

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Reply 26 - Posted by: Kitty Myers, 12/4/2012 9:40:57 AM     (No. 9047667)

#8 I agree. I was gifted a Kindle, which I like. It does have its occasional benefits. But I much prefer real books. I also have a basic cell phone -- a Tracfone which cost me $107 a YEAR for service! I can´t afford, let alone even imagine, paying more than that for any cell phone service.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: StormCnter, 12/4/2012 9:50:36 AM     (No. 9047688)

#25, I just finished that book and really enjoyed it.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Immanuel Goldstein, 12/4/2012 9:50:55 AM     (No. 9047690)

Human intelligence reached it´s peak over 4,000 years ago when people actually had to use their brains to memorize and keep their lives organized. Then cam the invention of writing, and it´s been down hill for human intelligence ever since. And with the invention of computers and cyber technology, our collective intelligence has fallen off of a cliff. For example, just reference the recent election. That having been said, I love Kindle. I have it on my laptop and smart phone. I don´t have an actual Kindle ereader yet, but I want one badly. My eyesight is failing me, and I like the fact that I can adjust the font sizes. And my library of old paperback books and hardbacks that I´ve been collecting since I was a kid has become almost unreadable. The pages have turned yellow, the print has faded, and reading them has become just too painful to bear.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: OhMy, 12/4/2012 10:03:08 AM     (No. 9047727)

I welcome the trend to publish ebooks and look forward to some of the precedents established with digital music publishing to be applied to book publishing. The prices should be much less than for paper books because the cost of printing, copying shipping stocking of digital books is near zero and much of this savings can and should be passed on. You can give a physical book away to a friend after you read it but not an ebook yet the ebook costs more and is a waste of paper! There should be DRM free versions for a little more so that the publishers cannot withdraw books which people have already paid for as they have done already. I also like the idea of books match where you could get an ebook version of physical books you can prove you own at a nominal cost. The problem with DRM is that it cuts out options for honest purchasers while being hacked and bypassed by thieves. I don´t know what the solution to this could be.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: pouncer, 12/4/2012 10:04:49 AM     (No. 9047734)

Better dig a hole and hide those books with your guns, you bitter clingers. No alternative intellectual resources or personal protections allowed, doncha know. /sarc?


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Reply 31 - Posted by: chillijilli, 12/4/2012 10:15:22 AM     (No. 9047760)

#27, why am i not surprised ;^D


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Reply 32 - Posted by: stablemoney, 12/4/2012 11:56:14 AM     (No. 9047984)

I love ebooks. They have made books available to me that I could not find or afford otherwise, delivered within seconds of my request. I am able to read many times the number of books otherwise unaffordable. Now I don´t have to spend all day going downtown. This article is written by Time - I don´t read Time -- despise everything they stand for.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: broken01, 12/4/2012 11:56:17 AM     (No. 9047986)

I had the standard NOOK and gave it to my son. I currently have a tablet with a Kindle App and love the thing. I do however still love physical books especially around Christmas time when they are really cheap. Tom Clancy´s new novel will be out soon and I´ll be buying that in hardcover.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: crunchycon, 12/4/2012 12:39:02 PM     (No. 9048098)

Like others, I have both physical books and my Nook Color. The Nook is absolutely indispensible when it comes to travel (carrying several books, Sudoku puzzles and wi-fi all in one little gadget), but at home, I like to read "real" books.

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The Rev. Fred Phelps Sr., founder of the hate-fueled Westboro Baptist Church, is at “the edge of death,” his son reports. Nathan Phelps, who fled the infamous Kansas church more than 30 years ago, claims his notorious father was kicked out of the congregation he built and is now spending his final days in hospice care. “I´ve learned that my father, Fred Phelps, Sr., pastor of the "God Hates (deleted to clear site filter)" Westboro Baptist Church, was ex-communicated from the ‘church’ back in August of 2013,” Nathan Phelps wrote on Facebook. “He is now on the edge of death at

MH370 flew as low as 1,500m
to avoid detection, says paper

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Malaysian Insider [Malaysia], by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: LittleHoodedMonk- 3/16/2014 11:59:43 PM     Post Reply
As the search for the missing flight MH370 enters its 10th day with few clues as to its whereabouts, the New Straits Times said today the Boeing 777-200ER dropped 5,000 feet (1,500m) to evade commercial radar detection. In an exclusive story, the government-backed paper said investigators analysing MH370’s flight data revealed that the 200-tonne, fully laden twinjet descended 1,500m or even lower to evade commercial (secondary) radar coverage after it turned back from its flight path en route to Beijing. (Snip) Investigators poring over MH370’s flight data had said the plane had flown low and used “terrain masking” as it

Boston mayor to miss St. Patrick´s
parade over exclusion of gay marchers

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Reuters, by Elizabeth Barber    Original Article
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BOSTON- Boston´s Irish-American mayor will not march in the city´s St. Patrick´s Day parade on Sunday after failing to hammer out a deal with organizers to allow a group of gay and lesbian activists to march openly. Mayor Marty Walsh had tried to negotiate a deal with organizers, the conservative Allied War Veteran´s Council, to allow members of MassEquality, one of Massachusetts´ largest gay activist groups, to join the parade. "So much of our Irish history has been shaped by the fight against oppression," Walsh, the city´s first Irish-American mayor in 20 years, said in a statement. "As mayor of

Obama Surrenders U.S.
Internet Control To Globalists

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Investor´s Business Daily, by Editorial    Original Article
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Error 404: U.S. officials plan to relinquish federal control over the administration of the Internet to something called the "global Internet community," which is full of tyrants to whom the free flow of information is a threat. In the wake of the NSA surveillance scandal, some might not be inclined to defend federal involvement in anything related to the flow of information between individuals. But the decision announced Friday by the Commerce Department to give up next year its oversight of Icann, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, to the "global Internet community" is a bad idea. Under a Commerce Department

We completely overhauled American
health care — to insure 4.2 million people?

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Washington Times, by Joseph Curl    Original Article
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The number bounced around for years — 46 million. President Obama said it in August 2009: “I don’t have to explain to you that nearly 46 million Americans don’t have health insurance coverage today. In the wealthiest nation on Earth, 46 million of our fellow citizens have no coverage.” He said it dozens more times, including in June 2013: “We are not a nation that accepts nearly 46 million uninsured men, women and children.” The Obama administration pumped the number with official reports. The White House Council of Economic Advisers said, “Perhaps the most visible sign of the need for health care

Designer L´Wren Scott was ´embarrassed and
millions in debt´ when she committed suicide
in her Manhattan apartment while ´devastated´
lover Mick Jagger was on tour in Australia

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Daily Mail [UK], by Meghan Keneally*    Original Article
Posted By: Attercliffe- 3/17/2014 5:51:10 PM     Post Reply
L´Wren Scott has been found dead after hanging herself on a doorknob in her Manhattan apartment on Monday morning. Scott was said to be distraught and ‘embarrassed’ over her failing business, as she owed nearly $6million to creditors, MailOnline can reveal. A spokesman for Mick Jagger said the singer, who is in Australia as part of the Rolling Stones tour, was ´completely shocked and devastated´ following the news of her death. When asked if they were still in a relationship at the time of her death, he replied ‘of course’. The designer, 49, was found by her assistant, hanged on a doorknob


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