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It´s Over: Why Everyone Is
Losing Hope For Green Energy

Business Insider, by Rob Wile

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Posted By:StormCnter, 12/1/2012 6:04:39 AM

On the surface, green energy sounds like a great idea. Unfortunately, it is extremely costly and requires heavy government subsidies. Last year, the epic downfall of Solyndra — the former solar cell manufacturer backed by the Obama administration — was one of the most notorious blows to the industry. As with most young industries, experts argue that green energy just needs time before it can reach economies of scale and become cost effective. But lately, those time frames have become extended. Meanwhile, fossil fuels like coal and natural gas continue to be devastatingly cheap.


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Spidey, 12/1/2012 6:30:51 AM     (No. 9042519)

It´s unconstitutional for the federal government to own land except where federal offices are established.The US could easily wipe out the deficit by selling parcels of federal land off and opening it up to energy development.I think 90% of Nevada is held by the feds.Alaska is probably around the same amount.

The environmentalist wackos have pushed for all these federal land grabs under different pretenses.One is simply "open space".Then you have endangered species like free range chickens or knob kneed turtles.

Part of what is holding up this failed economy is energy development on private property but Obama will claim his polices are responsible for any good news in the economy and any bad news is a Bush hangover.

Obama wants you to believe the economy is great while asking for another $250 billion in stimulus and going back to infrastructure.

Nobody asks why we need more unemployment extensions if the economy is so good.

Anyway,the left is in a quandary over how to make green energy affordable in the face of private energy production.Of course Obama donors and bundlers will continue to get free government money for green energy while it´s failing miserably in the private sector.

This writer has to be a brain dead idiot to say hope is being lost on green energy when it was a scam to begin with. Even if someone figured out how to make it work,China would have cornered the market a long time ago.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Now or Never, 12/1/2012 6:46:28 AM     (No. 9042526)

Green energy must be market driven, and sustained, it is neither.

Something the libs just can´t/refuse grasp.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: franq, 12/1/2012 6:51:07 AM     (No. 9042531)

The only thing green about that industry is the paper that winds up lining crooks´ pockets.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: pliades, 12/1/2012 7:01:15 AM     (No. 9042537)

The Noble gas Engine will be revealed to the World on Dec. 11, 2012 at the Power-Gen conference in Orlando Florida. Inteligentry, TPT, and Plasmerg will have 6 booths in the conference along with companies manufacturing the engine or selling products using the Noble gas engine.

On display will be an engine running a generator/alternator. Since the engine neither consumes fuel or expells waste, it can be run inside. It has no intake or exhaust. The engine on display will be a two cylinder noble gas plasma engine and possibly a prototype four cylinder engine. The six cylinder will come out some where around July or August 2013.

Researchers think it will run for at least 1 1/2 years 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, on one noble gas fill, maybe even longer. One prototype of an earlier version of the engine has now run 1 1/2 years in Michigan.


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Reply 5 - Posted by: ruready?, 12/1/2012 7:05:09 AM     (No. 9042540)

The Department of Energy has been hijacked from its founding charter to make the United States energy independent to its new lawless goal of green energy enabler.

You just can´t beat green energy, gay marriage, terrorism and Santa Claus.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: DaveFromTampa, 12/1/2012 7:19:56 AM     (No. 9042551)

Just like socially liberal strictly means abortion the meme that Democrats are the science party strictly means they believe in evolution.

On just about every other issue, liberals are truly anti-science and this includes "green energy".

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Reply 7 - Posted by: StormCnter, 12/1/2012 7:20:13 AM     (No. 9042552)

Business 101 teaches us that,most often, market comes first, product/service second. The emu industry collapse proved it, but not before a lot of investors were suckered into raising emus for a market that wasn´t there. Unfortunately, emu raisers didn´t have the clout and money of the federal government. The Feds have been doing their best to shut down any competition for green energy, while underwriting its products.

No, I never bought an emu, but I know some who did.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Crosscut, 12/1/2012 7:42:55 AM     (No. 9042570)

Green energy is another tactic being used by Obama and the left to destroy America. They don´t care if we are bankrupted by high electricity and gasoline costs. We can all sit at home in the dark for all they care. It´s what they want.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: jalo1951, 12/1/2012 8:04:18 AM     (No. 9042592)

There will come a time when green energy will be viable. That time is not now. Keep doing research until it is a reasonable alternative. Our country runs on energy. Almost everything we do requires an energy source. Make energy more expensive, more scarce and we will continue to deteriorate. Open up land for energy exploration because it will be many years before green can step up.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Bur Oak, 12/1/2012 8:07:40 AM     (No. 9042598)

The "green industry" is not new contrary to what the author states. Windmills have been used for centuries. What is new is the waste of taxpayer money "greenbacks" indebting us and our decendents by the government on projects that are uneconomical and unsustainable. This is not a side effect of "green energy" it is intentional.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: devnull, 12/1/2012 8:46:15 AM     (No. 9042653)

The problem of green energy is not the economy of scale for manufacturing. The problem is that you simply cannot get enough energy on a consistent basis from any "green" source (with the exception of nuclear). Let the universities and corporate r&d departments and even government laboratories continue to work the issues of collection, storage, and transmission of "green" energy. But right now, the federal government is throwing away money on manufacturing a product that does not exist. If they had spent a fraction of the money on r&d awards, we would be years closer to solving some of the underlying problems.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: bugboy, 12/1/2012 9:22:23 AM     (No. 9042729)

Green Energy! The boondoggle panacea of the 21st century.

If Detroit or the government was serious about green energy we would all be driving hydrogen fuel cell cars by now and energy companies would be building Hydrogen stations on every corner.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: pickle1, 12/1/2012 9:25:48 AM     (No. 9042739)

Well, it´s money laundering for one thing.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: kanphil, 12/1/2012 9:30:06 AM     (No. 9042753)

Any reasonably competent engineer could have done a cost/benefit analysis on any of these green schemes and concluded that now, if ever, is not the time. Unfortunately, politicians are mostly lawyers to whom cost/benefit analysis is an entirely alien concept. You want to know where to cut government costs? Begin by restricting politicians to activities that are Constitutionally mandated.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: strike3, 12/1/2012 9:35:03 AM     (No. 9042767)

It´s the physics, stupid. You can´t get something for nothing. Obama and his flying monkeys have managed to get us nothing for something though, failed green energy plants for trillions of dollars.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: JAN, 12/1/2012 9:48:40 AM     (No. 9042797)

Sorry, but it sounds like the scam it is now and always has been.

It´s all about stopping progress.

Aren´t the so called ´progressives´ brilliant.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: jackburton, 12/1/2012 10:55:58 AM     (No. 9042959)

´Green´ energy is a wonderful solution in specific situations where it works; it cannot be made to work or be economically feasible in every situation (or even in most). A unit of diesel or gas fuel is just more portable, delivers more energy and is abundant and inexpensive. Anyone, including the current White House, that thinks that you can just mandate feasibility (assuming that it has been kept from the public by evil capitalist types) is incredibly stupid or naive. It´s as if Nero mandated the incadescent bulb to solve Rome´s fire problems.

BTW: Checked out that Noble engine above.



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Reply 18 - Posted by: jglas, 12/1/2012 11:31:52 AM     (No. 9043038)

Green energy is a scam in service to the hoax of global warming. It won´t die because global warming and saving the planet has been seized upon by socialists whose ideas regularly fail when implemented, as a cause so important it should become the central organizing principle of mankind. It gives politicians and governments an excuse to control energy and consequently everything people and economies do.

That´s no secret. It´s a big agenda in the UN. It´s on the agenda in every nation on earth. Never mind the science is bogus. Never mind the earth hasn´t warmed for a period now longer than the previous period of increased temperatures. Never mind there are no statistics showing anything but rather mild cycles of warming, cooling, and sea level rises and falls. Never mind CO2 greens the earth. Never mind fossil fuels are plentiful, cheap, and drive prosperity. We must reorganize it all to save the planet from ourselves.

Thankfully people are beginning to figure out they´re being scammed

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Reply 19 - Posted by: oh-heck, 12/1/2012 2:59:39 PM     (No. 9043270)

The problem isn´t lack of energy, its getting it where and when you need it. A solar site in Nowhere NV still needs hundreds of miles of transmission lines to get the power into the grid. And that grid is already near capacity. Natural gas on the other hand is so cheap it is not worth drilling for, but comes along with the oil in ND and TX. As soon as we give up on sun and wind, we can start running the incredibly efficient back up gas fired power plants full time.

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