I am a pro-choice Republican. We are not an endangered species. Since the Republican Party declared itself pro-life, most of us have been in the closet. I appreciate that both viewpoints are sincerely held: Pro-choicers believe that the government should not intrude in such a private decision; pro-lifers believe that life begins at conception. I have supported each. Raised Catholic, I accepted the church’s doctrine that abortion was morally wrong. This was before Roe v. Wade, so in many states abortion was also illegal. A personal experience changed my view. At 28, pregnant with my third child,
Comments: Why should there even be two parties? Every day there is another article from these good intentioned Republicans that suggest Republicans become more like Democrats. I was sorry to see this from the usually astute Ms. Toensing. I do agree that Mourdock and Aikin were disasters for our party and we lost two seats that were easily winnable.
Victoria, you may choose what you wish to do, but as for me and my house, we will follow God´s commandments. Thou shalt not kill. I know this is a major sticking point for many. These babies are unborn and innocent and they deserve a body and a chance. Yes, many will die young and the parents will suffer in poverty, but I would rather have GOD on my side than any political party.
Forgive me Victoria, I have no personal experience of pregnancy to share. I am female, but I have never been pregnant. Forgive me for wanting to stand up for the life of the most vulnerable in our society. Forgive me for believing that life begins at conception. Forgive me for seeing the incredible amount of scientific documentation that tells me that this is a living human being inside of its mother and accepting that information as truth. Forgive me Victoria for believing it is better to err on the side of life than to err on the side of death. Forgive me, my beliefs on this issue won´t change. I may change my party affiliation, I may change how I vote, but I won´t change my solidarity with the unborn child. Forgive me.
#8, the Libertarian Party platform states that abortion is a private matter for each individual to give "conscientious consideration," and that the government should stay out of the matter (www.lp.org).
Maroon Victoria!!Pro-choice is an all inclusive term meaning "for choice". Your choice is between "for life" or "not-for life". Like all idiotic women who DO NOT understand English you think "pro-choice" is only a choice "for no life".
She may have a point but she makes very weak arguments. She mentions the two candidates who in her opinion confused rape with sex and also brings up a GOPer who had affairs. What do sexist views on rape or cheating on your spouse have to do with the legality of abortion and should they be funded by taxpayers?
She doesn´t even have the courage to say the words "pro-abortion", if that is what you support, say so!
There are too many people out there who are unable to have babies of their own waiting for someone to gift them with one for me to think abortion is a choice. I like sex as much as the next person, but I didn´t find that out until I was married and didn´t have to depend on the government to help me pay for birth control or a baby. Guess I´ll have to stay on God´s side here and be against abortion. Mrs. Cow
If you define the process of actual abortion, it is the taking of human life from a mother´s womb and killing it. So it isn´t so much that the government should be telling women ´what to do with their bodies´ but they should be protecting life either inside or outside the womb. I am completely pro-choice. Women have the choice to either become pregnant or not. I understand the issue with rape and I would certainly not judge a woman for terminating a pregnancy caused by a rate - but it doesn´t change the definition of abortion. Victoria´s argument to me is not moral - it is political. God doesn´t care how many Republicans don´t get elected because they refuse to support abortion.
My first child is due any day now. A little girl. She is not yet born but I have already learned so much about her personality, habits, and even her temperament. She is definitely a unique individual soul. To say that she is a part of her mother´s body to "choose" to do with as she sees fit ignores this fact.
It is one of Government´s only obligations to protect the rights of those such as my unborn daughter who cannot protect themselves. Being pro-life is not about curbing the rights of women to choose what to do with their own bodies, it is about protecting the rights of the child, who is an individual human being separate and apart from the mother and father. To suggest otherwise is to dehumanize us all.
My daughter will be born into an evil world but I will cherish and love her and do all in my power to raise her to value the virtue of life and her individuality.
FTA " Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels wisely counseled Republican presidential candidates last year: “Declare a truce on social issues”
What a maroon she is. Republicans could announce today a truce on social issues. Does this idiot woman think the press will play along? Will the press quit asking republicans about their ´extremist´ views on abortion?* if we declare a truce, will the Dems stop their progression towards abortion at 9 months?
*an abortion extremist is one who wants a baby to live. In DC, it is not extreme to vote for infanticide 4 times.
There is, in my mind, a difference between being what is traditionally understood as being *pro-life* and being chauvinist - which I notice several posts here sure seem to be. I like what Bobby Jindal said: "There is no reason to demonize those who view this differently."
It suprises me how many people cannot imagine that good people - yes good people - can differ on when they believe life begins. I, personally, agree with CS Lewis: "You are not a body, you have a body. You do not have a soul, you are a soul."
Just another tool forwarding the inevitable separation of the Republican Party from its base; from thence to announce one day in the not-too-distant future that Democrats and Republicans are at one on all substantive issues. The only battle left will be whether it will be the Republican Democrats or the Democratic Republicans...against all the ´extremists´ out there. Clever.
If the issue is returned to the states, there won´t be universal, unrestricted abortion up to the moment of birth like we have now. Some states will outlaw abortion, some will place tight restrictions on abortions and some will have looser restrictions. A few may even be as unrestricted as Roe has been held to require. But most will not. Let the people decide. Women are a majority of voters, so they don´t need the Supreme Court to protect their rights.
Difficult subject, but I wouldn´t be bragging about supporting a party and a position that allows a baby that survives an abortion, to cry on an abortionist´s table for 2 days in the hope that it dies. Because Victoria couldn´t figure out contraception after having TWO kids, she was almost scared about killing her third. This is how low the level of responsibility has fallen. This isn´t about a deformed, doomed fetus or the result of rape or incest, or even the life of the mother. This is about a convenience for a woman who refuses to call it what it is.
Good luck #19. Your daughter will make you nuts, but more often light up your life. You will be a great mother. She is a lucky little girl. You will be a great team. I hope you have a good man to complete your family and bring what we bring as fathers and husbands who do their best.
The article says the abortion issue hasn´t helped the GOP. I can guarantee the author that my parents, who grew up in the Depression as working class Democrats and thought JFK was a demi-god, left the Democratic party when Jimmy Carter started pandering to the abortion lobby in the late 70s, and no one in my large family has voted for a Democrat since.
Indeed, Victoria, you are not an endangered species. Sadly, the unborn of America are, thanks to you and your ilk.
I can´t believe anyone would listen to RINOs and liberals giving conservatives advice on how to improve their numbers. All the advice is just telling conservatives how not to be who they are. We need to ignore these people and stick to our conservative roots - both social and fiscal. Without strong social conservatism which includes the right to life for all and traditional marriage, what we espouse fiscally means nothing. We will fail because society will descend into a mire of greed and anarchy.
The wife of an abortion doctor (they were divorced a few years later) once told my wife that the babys he aborted would cry when he killed them. The problem is the GOP cannot or will not articulate a position on this monstrous evil. We are all told to shut up about it. Such moral cowards, we deserves Gods judgement on us.
Pro abortion women always come across as shallow and self absorbed. It´s always about them unwilling to make a sacrifice of 9 months to allow a human being to survive the pregnancy. Listen to testimonies of women who chose the child over their own selfishness and how glad they were to have chosen life for the child. No regrets or shame in the pro life choice.
I adore Victoria, but the article seems disjointed, as if she´s forcing the issue and grasping at anything she can think of to justify her POV. And what does tubal ligation have to do with abortion? Also, Akin and Mourdock were idiots who destroyed their own selves.
I am pro-life, but I believe this is a state´s rights issue. I don´t believe the federal government should be involved in any way.
Where and when was it decided that abortion should be the deciding issue in politics? Why is it a political issue at all? I reject the notion that a person must have a yes or no view on abortion in order to be a political conservative or liberal. How did we get so bogged down in social opinions and values that have nothing to do with government? Give me smaller government and fiscal conservatism and let the social stuff be decided state by state according to that state´s residents´ wants and needs.
Thank you, Ms. Toensing. But, I could have done without the "personal experience".
Baby-killing is wrong. Baby-killers are wrong. This benighted sophist Victoria probably thinks that the restriction of the privilege of casual infanticide is the last barrier to gender equality. Under what circumstances is a man free to kill his children?
Um...yeah....what the hell is with telling a woman that by LAW she can´t have a tubal regardless of her age or her number of children?? I´m all for doctors opting out and not giving her a tubal based on their own convictions, she can always go to someone else, but when it comes to a woman´s OWN body....I´m all for her doing whatever she wants when it comes to her own reproductive choices...period.
Abortion involves someone else, not just her. No getting around that. However, I think it is high time that we face the reality that this is an issue where neither side is going to be able to get 100% of what they want and instead concentrate more on what both sides can agree on, like the outrageous fact that abortion is legal for any unborn child past the age of viability. Reasonable pro-lifers and pro-choices CAN agree on that.
No infanticide for babies who survived abortion, and laws that empower women to choose life for their unborn child.....like making it so convicted rapists can´t claim parental rights over any child conceived from the crime of rape and spending money where our mouths are for actual resources for women facing unwanted pregnancy....REGARDLESS of how that child came into being. Either we decide that EVERY child deserves to be born, or we decide that women with numerous children by numerous fathers is undeserving of help....we can´t have both.
@43 So you are comfortable with an arbitrary declaration of when a person is actually a human being with a right to live his/her life and they can be summarily killed outside of that subjective definition?
Kind of sounds like the same logic the Nazis used to justify killing Jews, to me.
may I also submit, grandpa, that there is a high probability there will one day be a government review board to determine whether or not your life is worth the investment to save with expensive healthcare, also based on their subjective definition of "life".
I think when a perfectly healthy child can live outside the mother, that abortion should be illegal....and there are many pro-choice advocates who would agree with that. Stating that a child is not human or alive until it draws it´s first breath at 40 plus weeks, is philosophically stupid and absolutely false.
And, I submit, #45/46, that abortion simply isn´t a political issue and #43´s personal view of abortion should have nothing to do with his or her politics. We cannot make our political choices based on something you or anyone else is afraid might happen in an unknown future.
That said, I have had 2 children with birth defects where abortion is routinely advised. One died ( I brought him to term) and one lived. I have been in support groups where parents DID choose abortion as an option and AGONIZED over it and wept and wished it different for their child. Personally, I would never have one, but I can no longer, for the life of me, fault parents/women who find themselves in these kinds of circumstances.
While I am sure there are many women who use abortion as a form of BC, after knowing what I know, I am just as certain that there are just as many people who do the very best they can to make the best choices not just for themselves, but for their unborn child, as they possibly can. And, it should be that way.
At some point, when we have no skin in the game and don´t have to live with the consequences or situations that either choice brings, we have to trust that those we don´t know will make the very best choices they possibly can and accept the fact that the recklessness of others is also a fact of life.
The best we can do is help our neighbors and friends and befriend the ones we don´t know and do our best in our own communities and on a personal basis.....because that is truly where meaningful change actually happens.
#43, ask Grandma if she thinks a "fetus" only becomes a "real child" when it´s born. You might learn something.
Some babies are born, and survive quite well, at seven months. Some are born even before that and survive. Abortion on demand allows women to abort their child almost up to their due date, at nine months´ gestation. Are you trying to say that a seven-month "fetus" is not a child yet, because it hasn´t been born? If so, you´re wrong.
In the 19th century, Republicans led the fight against slavery.
In the 21st century we are leading the fight against murder, or ´abortion´ as it is euphemistically called.
In the future after murder is again outlawed, it will be incomprehensible to people that we could ever have believed that a baby is not a baby. More than 50 million murders in this country in 41 years. The American Socialist Democrat Holocaust.
The issue is abortion as a political matter. The results are in, Obama won. He likely gets to appoint 2-3 justices to the US Supreme Court (3 are more than 75 years old: Scalia, Ginsburg, Kennedy, and Breyer will be 75 next year). If Scalia retires and Obama appoints a Kagan clone, expect routine 6-3 decisions against conservative causes. Roe v Wade is safe for a generation. DOMA will be history.
OMG, being pro-choice does not make one pro-abortion or a Democrat. Give me a break. Being pro-choice can have limits on what is acceptable and what is not. I will say it again...conception is NOT life. Conception only becomes life perhaps 30% of the time. Look at scientific evidence. Just because an egg gets fertilized, doesn´t mean it will implant. And even if it does implant, there is still a high chance of it miscarrying in the first 6 weeks. Why can´t a person be pro-choice in the first trimester and still work toward persuading women to think twice about that choice? Forcing YOUR beliefs on others is not the same as respecting people´s different beliefs. Why not then force your Christianity on Jews, Hindus and Buddhists too? What is the difference? No, one can EASILY be a pro-choice Republican without being a RINO or Democrat in disguise. I am so sick of the hardline litmus test that people are demanding lately. Let´s support freedom. Don´t force your beliefs on others like the leftists do.
The Democratic Party has fully assimilated the self-hating, selfishly anti-human philosophy of radical feminism: ie, all gender differences are inherently "unfair" and must be eliminated. The natural physiology of the female body, being different from mens´, must be artificially altered with pills and surgery (at public expense.) Females are to be encouraged to have recreational, promiscuous sex as a matter of "equality." Traditional marriage and families oppress women. Men oppress women. Babies and children oppress women. Popes and bishops oppress women. Unfettered, free abortion is an absolute pre-requisite for their sexual utopia.
People who think reproductive/ cultural issues are completely private matters are mistaken. The birth rate in the U.S. has recently dropped to the lowest in history, below replacement level. Demographically, we are committing national suicide like the western Europeans; soon we won´t have enough native-born workers to maintain any social safety net, let alone the all-encompassing welfare state the Democrats salivate for.
A pregnant woman is arrested with traces of cocaine in her bloodstream. Does the state have an interest, a duty, to place her in protective custody until she brings the pregnancy to term?
One party has a lock on the culture of death vote, contraception for all, sex selection, over the counter morning after pills all the way to death panels. The same culture of death mentality that allowed for forced sterilizations in the thirties, applauds the forced abortion policies of China, places Planned Parenthood facilities in poor, urban ( minority) neighborhoods, establishes a uniform, centralized, publicly funded health care program which has cornerstones of health care rationing, death panels and euthanasia. THAT is the seamless garment prochoice republicans should try on in the mirror.
Why is abortion not a state-level issue? Because of Roe v. Wade! As long as that decision stands, the states have no say on abortion. Roe v. Wade is one of the worst decisions by the US Supreme Court ever. And not because of the result, which is bad enough. It makes up a right--the right to privacy--that neither mentioned nor implied in the Constitution. Griswold--the birth control decision--at least made an attempt to tie the privacy of the so-called marital bedroom(kind of outdated now, isn´t it?) to the 4th amendment and other amendments along with traditions favoring marriage (also antiquated). But Roe does no such thing. It rests on vague grounds of substantive due process that the Court rejected during the New Deal (ironically). And even worse, Roe makes decisions on things like fetal viability that are nowhere in the record and inappropriate for even a trial court to make. It is classic legislation from the bench. I learned all of this in Constitutional Law, taught by a liberal professor. Roe only stands because liberals like the result, not because it is good law.
Uh, was I surprised? No. Victoria and hubby are deeply embedded in the RINO DC inner circle. Just another day, another Republican bashing conservative voters, determined to keep us in our place. The pro-abortion faction of my party acting like put upon martyrs by those mean pro-lifers is truly pathetic. I stand on God´s side when it comes to life. Killing tiny human beings in the womb is EVIL.
Yes, state issue. Fine. A political issue that has no place in the federal government´s sphere. Fine. But let´s get down to brass tacks and stop talking in happy euphemisms that sterilize what we are actually talking about. The people who want to keep abortion at any and all stages of gestation want it that way so they or their daughters and sons (or grand kids) can screw up as many times as they want and then magically not be "burdened" with a baby. The baby is perfectly disposable but they or their wee 25 year old moppets who couldn´t be bothered to put on a condom or keep their knees together must be saved from themselves, generally continuously by mums and daddums. It is the baby boomer way folks. Selfish yes, but who said people who are fiscally conservative and small government can´t have their own little selfish child killing moments too. I mean, it is all about "me", right? If these people had to actually chop up these unborn children inside their own wombs or the wombs of their kids and then look at the remains when they committed murder they might think differently.
I have no time for people that justify the killing of unborn children. You do indeed make me ill.
Abortion is a political issue for the same reason the death penalty is - when the government sanctions or pays for the killing of human beings it becomes political. What greater power can the government exercise than to deprive an innocent person of life? Vicious criminals at least get a trial before receiving the death penalty.
And I guess it shouldn´t come as a surprise that the local Romney sycophants have no problem with abortion. Every day in some small way my lingering doubts about that man are confirmed. So sorry I was suckered into voting for him. I´ll go wash my hands now. Ramona (the Pest)
We can talk and debate until doomsday, but, the fact remains that God´s principles and precepts remain the same no matter how many laws man may make to the contrary, or how wise man may consider them to be.
When doomsday comes, we all will be held accountable to what is written in the inspired word that was given to us by the God who created us. That´s what the Book says will happen, whether we believe it or not. We are without excuse.
God´s will and wisdom, or man´s, that is our choice to make, and our rewards or consequences to receive.
I never got anyone pregnant, or even close. My sisters never got pregnant. Maybe because as teens we were not preoccupied by sex. My one sister did not have sex until she was 20 and out of the house. When SHE felt she was ready for it.
Some Republicans go to the pro-abortion side simply for the same reason the democrats do...they have had an abortion themselves, and framing everything in happy euphemisms as you put it lets them distance themselves from the horror of the whole thing. Hey, if it is legitimate and everyone is doing it and it´s even legal, why worry about it?
Same thing about most gay men you see posting on sites. They absolutely hate God and the Bible, because it makes them feel shame about what they are doing and run contrary to their belief system. So they have to belittle it, claim it´s all a falsehood, and so on.
In a horrific way, I agree with one of the other posters. Let technology show these mothers a color, clear video of their child in the womb, and let them use the tools to actually kill it, and see the results.
Hey, I wouldnt mind that experience if I had a bad tumor to get rid of, and since pro-abortionists say it´s just a clump of cells, this should not be a problem, right?
From all these posts it is clear that many in the GOP have gone over to the Left. It is clear that many in the GOP only care about money, not morality. Social issues mean nothing and money rules all. It makes me feel ill to hear you say "I am against abortion but I won´t stop YOU from killing the unborn". I will compromise on many things, killing the innocent, NEVER.
Whether it´s abortion or assisted suicide or euthanasia murder is still murder.Isn´t it interesting how as more people have become indifferent to abortion they have also come to feel the same way about assisted suicide and euthanasia.
Beautiful #19 This is one grandma who is very happy her daughter refused to listen to doctors that insisted she should abort because the fetus had a head lump. Today that little lump houses a near genius mind attached to an exceptional talented teenager as physically beautiful and nice as her wonderful mom. In the millions of wasted human starts how many exceptional men and women have we lost?
Toensing blames an arbitrary Texas law --regarding sterilization, not abortion-- for her conversion to a "pro-choice" stance.
I thought Toensing was smarter than that. You don´t even have to be a lawyer (as Toensing is) to see that there is a simple and conservative solution to laws such as the one that made her so indignant:
The simple and humane solution? Repeal the sterilization law! The stupid and cruel solution? Have a leftist court overturn all states´ laws regarding abortion, thereby opening the door to mass slaughter of unborn children at any stage of gestation, and in very state of our formerly beautiful country.
I Have always been a pro-choice republican......I´m more the libertarian branch of the party. The various incidents with mourdock and akin really hurt us this time around and while no one enjoys having abortions the legality should be left to the individual states......just my opinion.
If you believe in God there is no other choice but to believe that every human being is precious to Him, not something to be killed because it is a inconvenience or for any other reason that anyone can give.
For those that are pro-choice, do you favor abortion on demand up until birth? What about abortion because the fetus is female (or male)? What about after a pre-natal birth defect diagnosis? The reason even pro-choice Republicans should care about abortion is because Roe v. Wade allows abortions virtually without limitation. Originally, third trimester abortions were supposed to be only save the life or health of the mother. But health as been interpreted to mean just about anything--emotional distress, sadness, etc. We need a pro-life President who will appoint conservative Supreme Court justices. After Roe is overturned, I´ll happily let the states decide how to deal with abortion.
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The United States will temporarily shut down its embassies and consulates around the world Sunday, including those in Iraq, Afghanistan and Egypt, as a precautionary measure, the State Department said Thursday. State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf did not say how long the international installations would stay closed -- only that the decision was taken “out of an abundance of caution and care for our employees and others who may be visiting.” Sunday is a normal workday in many Arab and Middle Eastern countries. Embassies in Europe and Latin America would be shuttered that day anyway.
If we learned anything about Barack Obama in his first term it is that when he starts repeating the same idea over and over, what´s on his mind is something else. The first term´s over-and-over subject was "the wealthiest 1%." Past some point, people wondered why he kept beating these half-dead horses. After the election, we knew. It was to propagandize the targeted voting base that would provide his 4% popular-vote margin of victory—very young voters and minorities. They believed. He won. The second-term over-and-over, elevated in his summer speech tour, is the shafting of the middle class. But
American scientists claim the planet is undergoing one of the largest changes in climate in the past 65 million years. Climatologists at Stanford Woods Institute for the Environment have warned the likely rate of change over the next century will be at least 10 times quicker than any climate shift since the dinosaurs became extinct. If the trend continues at its current rapid pace, it will place significant stress on terrestrial ecosystems around the world, and many species will need to make behavioral, evolutionary or geographic adaptations to survive, they said.
[Video] Ouch. New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie turned down an offer by Sen. Rand Paul to join him for a beer and bury the hatchet in their ongoing -- and very public -- feud. "I´m running for re-election in New Jersey. I don´t really have time for that at the moment," Christie said in an interview on a local radio station. The New Jersey governor said if he finds himself in Washington, "I´ll certainly look him up." But he added: "I don´t suspect I´ll be there anytime soon. I´ve got work to do here."
Hollywood actor Kevin Spacey — whose most recent work includes the psychological thriller, “House of Cards,” about an unethical congressman — said in a recent interview that most Americans just aren’t grasping President Obama’s greatness. “President Obama will go down as having passed some of the most historic bills in the history of this country,” he said, in a recent talk with Hot Press magazine. “That despite constant knee-jerk opposition from the Republicans. A lot of people don’t realize how much he’s done in the most difficult circumstances.” Mr. Spacey is far less appreciative of Congress. “It’s maybe interesting