The women win again....wake up before its too late...men are their own worst enemies...

It´s not a man vs. woman thing - it is a corruption thing. We all suffer equally together when our leaders are unworthy of the office they hold, are unwilling to grow into the position, and are unable to exhibit self-discipline and moral turpitude of any kind.

I, with my 28 years service, officer and enlisted, agree with everything Peters wrote -- with the exception of his description of Panetta as a "good man."

I fully agree #3. The Panetta assessment is off, but the remainder of his thesis is on target and needed to be said.

Giving Peters the benefit of a doubt, maybe he wasn´t refering to Panatta´s record as a politician, but rather only with DOD.

Poor Princeton Petraeus got shafted more than his bimbo biographer. Let´s talk to his wife while she buys some more "frumpy" clothes making sure we come to understand her need for such style.

Perfumed Princes is what Hack liked to call these clowns...ask Wesley Clark (who does his hair and picks out his ties?) for advice.

Maybe we should draft democrat´s children for our all "volunteer" military...I like this idea, really like it a lot!

I am beginning to believe I agree with Sergeant Peters. Because of my background, I have always defended these guys; but I am beginning to believe my loyalty has been misplaced. At least the hijinks were kept much quieter in years gone by.

Don´t know anything about Panetta except he is a democrat which speaks volumes, I guess.

Oh, and while I am at this, let´s bring in our greatest "diversity" General of the Army, now retired, Gen. Casey...let´s ask him about "workplace violence" and how much the American taxpayer has footed keeping the beard on Major Hasan´s face waiting for his court martial.

Justice...it´s out there...somewhere, isn´t it?

I also remember Hack´s ´´perfumed princes´´ at the Pentagon. Some will always see their military service as political rather than military. Always looking out for their careers makes them into the yes-men for the politicians...

This should be a must read.

The printer won´t take back the "Petraeus ´16" stickers.

Like #3 I agree with everything Peters said except for Panetta being a "good man." Maybe he knows something we don´t know. Ralph Peters would make an excellent CIA director since his background is in intelligence. But we know that will never happen with this regime.

Interesting to see respected Ralph Peters take to the cleaners those who have, with zero supporting information, defended our "military" as though these generals were representative of our rank-and-file military as a whole.

Just the other day there were serial rants on a thread about General Ward finally receiving (less than) the punishment he should have received some time ago.

Unless we read about and inform ourselves about these people, we are speaking from what a Brit friend used to call "a storehouse of bogus information".

Ralph Peters has it exactly right. This old retired USAF Master Sergeant knew early in his career that the LtColonels and Colonels were the war winners, the Generals were the ones who would get people killed due to arrogance/incompetence. The current crop of general officers lowers the bar with each new officer added to their ranks.

PS. I have never been impressed with Panetta, but he is apparently the one who finally ordered the bin Laden rade when ObieValJar were waffling the thing into chaos. He may be the only relatively independent person in this sorry administration. And finally, Peters´ recommendations are not made loosely. He undoubtedly knows something - maybe a lot - that we don´t know.

Correction: the bin Laden raid

I am so tired of hearing that Patraeus is a war hero. He has no combat experience. Not in Gulf 1 or 2.
Neither does Gen. Allen. Just yes boys for bigger Generals.
Lap dogs for the politicians.

I was the senior pilot for an admiral who had been an active duty four-star longer than any other in the U.S. Navy. His flag flew over a very important allied command and he was very highly thought of by the foreign and U.S. force commanders under his command. But the factor I noticed was the care and consideration he extended toward the joint U.S. personnel that supported his command. (An admiral does not actually command his staff troops but he naturally sets the tone.)

I found that that was the way he had always been and never courted the idea of his being a "star." I think Fleet Admiral Nimitz was cut from this cloth too.

Many people are not aware that congress must approve the promotion of General Officers. Is it any wonder that the most ´´open minded´´ officers get the political positions?

After 0 is done with his purge, the entire military will be prancing around in pink panties, just like he does.

General Betrayus is what they called him. Remember? Limbs hung him out to dry. He danced and he sang, he even chased a gold digging slut. But in the end it didn´t matter. This is the modes operadi of totalitarians. A purge if you will. A public blood letting whose message is not lost on the rest of the officer corps. Keep your moth shut and tow the line, or you too will be exposed. I have no sympathy for any of these men. But this is certainly about more than sex and national security, bank on it.

Thank you, thank you #7 heneverlies. I have been upset since the idiot general casey pouted out those cowardly words. He removed any doubts as to his whiny, butt kissing character.

I’m most favorably impressed by Lt. Col. Ralph Peters, referred to, I believe, on Fox News Channel as an analyst or contributor. However, this is the first time I’ve ever seen anything he’s written. I’m impressed. I’ll have to seek out more. I like his no-nonsense style.

Somewhat off-topic: Bombastic Bill O’Reilly, he of ego enormity fame, bugs me no end, especially when he rudely interrupts and then lectures intelligent, well-spoken, accomplished people such as Peters as if they’re nine-year-old kids. Where, I wonder, would we be if Bill weren’t always “lookin’ out” for us? Ugh!

I had a lot of respect for Ralph Peters. I have less now.

While a lot of what he said needed saying, it infuriates me that this retired enlisted man is trying to write a revisionist history of a great man and a great General, David Petraeus.

He, and a lot of folks who´ve responded on this thread are in a class with Hillary Clinton and her disgusting remark prior to Petraeus´s Capitol Hill testimony: "requires a willing suspension of disbelief." Moveon.org also took out a full page NYT ad at the time, wherein they created the infamous title "General Betray Us." You´re in good company folks.

Before you continue helping the Obama regime destroy our good military leaders (this DOES NOT include that POS, General William Ward) do some research. Find out:

1) What Gen. Petraeus did to the U.S. soldier who shot him in the chest,
2) Why the Iraqis revered him,
3) And why they respected him enough to name him "King David,"
4) Why he always led from in front, and even visited Iraqi markets without body armor,
5) If he does, indeed, deserve great credit for the success of the troop surge in Iraq, and finally,
6) What the troops who served under him in Iraq and Afghanistan thought of him. Here, start with what Michael Yon had to say about him:
http://tinyurl.com/aqt4zg6

I read one of Peters´ "novels." Never again. Maybe he can be trusted on this topic. Or not. I´ll hold off until more facts are in.

That noise you hear is Gen. John J. Pershing and Gen. George Patton turning over in their graves.

I might add to #18 that he is quite correct that all general officers and in fact all officers are approved by Congress. When you progress above the 2 star level it gets real political. They all all interviewed by a congressional committee. It used to be that the spouse was interviewed also.

For the head of the CIA, his tradecraft was pretty weak, too.

If petraeus tells the truth to congress, perhaps we will find out what kind of a man panetta is. I suspect the stink of obama will have tainted panetta also.

#17 Was your admiral from Mississippi by any chance?

#23 Would your respect for LTC (US Army Ret) Peters be higher if you realized he was not a retired enlisted man?

I wish Hack were here to call this one.

Peters is spot on except his evaluation of Panetta. Panetta is nothing more than a yes man to cover for obama.

Either way, if Gen. Petraeus comes out and backs up Obama, we´ll know.

Maybe the reason so many top commanders are compromised is they´ve been chosen specifically because they are easily blackmailed/controlled. 0bama, for sure, wouldn´t want an intelligent, moral top general who might ask uncomfortable questions or decline illegal orders.

As the saying goes, the fish rots from the head.

The rotting began in full force during the derelict days of Clinton. How could we forget the hordes of glitterati who pee-shawed those who decried the immorality and dishonesty and hypocrisy? Anyone who objected was a dumb rube.

Romney´s a "square", isn´t he?

What is, really, this tawdriness all about? Unfaithfulness, the inability to keep one´s commitment, one´s word, a covenant.

We´ve had perverted Presidents in the past. But in the 1990s the behavior was heralded, vehemently defended or excused. Billy-boy even won re-election.

The President is the Commander in Chief. Military leaders ought to have complied with all the standards of military codes. And the lower ranks, why of course they obey: they WILL be punished if they don´t. Do the officers worry about their behavior? What we´ve seen, actually, is disrespect for the C-in-C.

It saddens me that General Petraeus behaved so utterly foolishly. But he behaved like probably the majority of people. And this is the saddest thing of all.

I will take from my shelf my volumes of Edward Gibbon´s Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.

The Empire might have withstood the depravity of the emperors had the military leadership stuck to a rigorous code of behavior. The sense of "civic duty" atrophied.

The vaunted Roman Citizen? he, also, was thoroughly debauched. A tiny minority of Romans hid in the catecombs while mobs and leadership alike watched animals and humans butchered in the circus.

Several hundred years of Darkness followed.

This nightmare we´re living is far from over.

I lost respect for Panetta when I read he was consuming half a million dollars a week for his flights from D.C. to his avocado groves in California, in a Defense Department jet complete with all the requisite security and communication apparatus/staff required. For such a powerful position, couldn´t he reduce his 3-day weekends in California to once a month?

As to Petraeus, if he tells the truth tomorrow to the closed-door Congressional inquiry, I´ll respect him. If he chooses instead to protect the Amateur, I won´t.

re #23. Admirals ex-aide de camp, or press secretary?

Leon Panetta is a giggling idiot.

I guess there is no one in the Coast Guard that #37 would have a kind word about to relate to us.

Did he resign to prevent them from blackmailing him or to run for cover? Hopefully, we will find out Friday

I think Conan O’Brien really nailed with his observation:
"A tip to you fellows out there — don’t cheat on your wife if you work with professional spies who don’t like you.”
Mr Obvious couldn´t have said it any better and Petraeus should be court-martialed for sheer stupidity unbecoming an officer!

OK. OK.. The Mrs. looks like Newt Gingrich in drag, but she´s put up with Peaches Petraeus and his ego for years. Give her credit.

#29: I stand corrected. As a former enlisted man, I hope I didn´t come across as condescending to the ranks; however, I´ve heard my share of unfounded sniping at O´s simply because they were not one of ´us.´

Te general is a desk jockey with no combat experience yet more mustard above his pocket than Chesty Puller, a really real hero.
Kinda hard to get hurt fluing a desk, so no Purple Hearts either.
An Administrative general....
and a phoney.....

sorry about my comment we are not discussing Coast Guard Admirals. And the Coast Guard has had it´s share of CO´s and extramarital sexist yada yada yada.

What I should have said would you be so generous to the Retired General had he been boinkin your better half?

Retired Masterchief Boatswainsmate sends

A reporter buddy of mine (closet republican) actually traveled with Panetta to South America and said he was the only one in his entire entourage plus the reporter, to go to church on sunday in rio de janeiro. The rest just headed for the fleshpots, for what it´s worth.

There is no honor today!

All Obama wants is power/control!

This current government has become a stumblingblock to success!

We, the people, need to stand up to this administration who lied/lies to US, disregarded/disregards common sense, constantly came/comes against anyone who got/gets in their way.

What will the outcome be from all this conflict?

We have lost our soul as a nation. Satan is laughing at US because we have forsaken what we once valued (honor/integrity), now only have political correctness, not God´s absolutes that once was vital to our country´s prosperity.

We need to repent, unite as a nation for righteousness!

Sin has accomplished its demonic plan that seeks to steal/kill/destroy the values we once held, only to embrace a new system of not being accountable.

The Blame Game is in full swing!

Seems also that "whatever it takes" is the mantra of the Progressive/Liberal party, led by President Obama. They have won the battle, but the war is not over. God is still on His Throne. He has His countless angels that can bring about exactly what He has in store for those who come against Him.

Daily we are learning more things that Obama has done to cause turmoil/discontent in this country, causing many to "demand" their fair share without participating in any kind of work effort or concern for others - only what they want, what they are told they deserve, just because they support Obama, thinking he personally is giving things to them instead of US being taxed to fulfill their wants, not necessarily needs.

God is our Supreme Provider and He says we need only call upon His Name and He will satisfy US, if only we repent, seek His will/way, live as His children, thankful and grateful for His intercession/intervention.

Is it just me? Or are Clark, Petreaus, etc. the sort of wimps that you would not have wanted protecting your back in grade school. Sure they know how to send someone else out to die. But do they have any other talent(s)?
We know that there isn´t much between their ears.

Unbelieveable.

Comments about Mrs. Patraeus and her ´looks´ are really over the top.

Not a syllable of indiscretion, yet she´s flame grilled on this thread - because of the way she dressed and because of the way she looks?

Seriously?

The truth is seeping out from under the door just like stench and muck are too much to be contained. I´m glad Ralph Peters wrote this in plain English. It´s time to examine the criterea on which Generals and Admirals are promoted. Very few have gone through the 90-day wonder training, which may be part the problem - those guys and gals are usually hard-working, smart, and conscientious people who really do want to do a good job. The military academies are maybe now so rarified that their graduates have forgotten their American roots (probably not but their commssions came with a huge price - enormous work). Perhaps they feel entitled. Just expressing some observations.

I have asked about Patraeus from people that worked for and with him in Ft. Leavenworth prior to his being snagged for Iraq. They are uniformly positive that he is 1) very smart and capable 2) a really nice guy 3) not a pompous sort.

I started with a generally favorable opinion of Peters, now looking for additional information to correlate - either Peters is wrong or Patraeus is.

Doing what I do when I get conflicting input from different sources. Evaluating the sources and seeking additional input sources.

Both David Petraeus and Stanley McChrystal graduated from West Point.
Unless you are a grad or an immediate family member,
you have no idea how rigorous and demanding
it is to get into and then graduate from WP.
Both men have post graduate biographies that include Ranger school for Petraeus
and Special Forces for McChrystal that again,
are unbelievably physically and emotionally demanding.
Unbelievably.
Both men also went on to earn multiple post graduate degrees.
Their biographies should earn the respect of every patriotic American.
It defies logic and common sense that these two men,
who have dedicated their lives to protecting America ,
would throw everything they have sacrificed for decades ,
into the toilet, to protect
this piece of garbage in the White House.

I´ve had lunch with Panetta (work -- table of 5 or 6 of us, if I remember correctly, it was probably 8 years ago or so). He is NOT a nice man. Very partisan, and power wielding.

Ralph Peters is the best. I always listen intently when he´s appearing on Fox. Very smart and very wise. He always leaves me wanting to hear more from him. Thank goodness for some of the hosts of these shows who actually let him talk enough to get his points across.

Would love to hear a regular commentary from him. He doesn´t need an interviewer - especially O´Reilly. I love the "Jumpin´ Jeepers" comment, so obviously he´s got a great sense of humor as well.

I wonder. First, I don´t agree with him about hypocrisy. If anything we need more of it not less. Second, Ralph Peters picks some odd causes, always throwing red meat to the right, trying to whip us up to various things. What I noticed before is we are always supposed to buy more weapons, always, we are never supposed to forget about Khrushchev etc. Now this. hm hm hm Arms merchants lending their hired guns to the WH? That they think have street cred with the right?

You can ask any soldier who served in Sarajevo, Bosnia while he was there. Self promoting wih his head up the Commander´s butt if he stopped too fast.

I agree with the opinion on the ability of the "Ring Knockers". Most of them couldn´t lead their way out of a brown paper bag with a map. I was an OCS "90 day wonder".

Let´s see, Gen Petraeus is 60, and I happen to be 60. We both are TOO YOUNG to have been much involved with Viet Nam. By then there was the draft lottery, the war winding down. I used to have high regard for him, but now all I think is "STUPID!" Men with great power who mess around with women are the dumbest people on earth. I have seen over and over examples of careers dashed to dust because of an affair. When the affair ends, it is payback time and the woman holds all the cards.

And I am the son of a Korea soldier that never saw his 27th birthday because of his Army Service.


Arses like him live better in one day than my mother ever did all her life after my father´s death.

++=+ Him!

I did 4 decades in our Air Force. "THEY" promote up to your "second" Star. "THEY" being your Service of choice. After "that" you are strictly a "political" promotion. Once you obtain the 3 or 4 "star" level, you CANNOT retire as such unless you have "political" permission. I´m thinking the rats had "Betraeus" figured out a few years ago. Sad, so very sad....