It´s barely been a week since President Obama´s re-election, and some people can´t believe, truly can´t believe, that things didn´t go their way. (Snip) Then I started thinking a little more strategically. Centuries of heavily enforced inequality in certain states have left them incapacitated for the modern economy. What do they contribute to the current union, anyway? What would happen if we just decided to let them go? Imagine the possibilities. After a short phase-out period (so that the panicked citizens of New Orleans; Austin; and Washington, D.C., can join us), we let these ungrateful states go.
Comments: LOL - try running your ´blue Utopia´ without all the natural resources and food that comes from the rest of the country.
Well Millner what will you do when the EPA shuts down the farming in the bread basket of CA over a smelt fish. What will you do when the Epa shuts down drilling and refineries. Oh wait, that has happened. Now comes the carbon tax to finish you off.
#3, or a wall to keep OUT the blue state refugees.
That idiot opinion writer assumes that the successfulin blue states are sheep who don´t mind being sheared constantly and left out in the cold. We´re already seeing out-migration from blue states ro reds, a friendlier region where success is not dirty word, where government is contained, and labor unions- private and public sector-are treated like interlopers.
Blues can keep their bloated bureaucracies, their thuggish unions and certainly their urban parasites.
Red staters are far more friendly, gracious, and generous, too. We´d rather not relegate charity to the faceless bureaucracy of government, either.
We don´t need blue states for reds to prosper. And we´ll be shed of a part of the country who foolishly deceive themselves that they´re indispensable to a successful America.
Give the country two choices and ten years, based upon the cultural divide, and there would be a huge migration from blues to reds.
Red states would have to clearly constitutionalize government so that the immigration could occur without importing blue state political poison.
Liberals just don´t get it. They need conservatives to pay the bills and come running when the wolf is at the door. He doesn´t realize that his half of the country would get 99% of the people that cost over $1T a year in welfare, most of the criminals, all of the illegal immigrants, potheads, urban outdoorsmen, OWS crowd and on and on? I´m all for it, draw up the papers I´ll sign.
What you don´t realize Callie is that if the Red states form their own union, the Blue states left will be not only totally broke but clueless, bereft of ideas and totally out of control...in other words, Red = Success, Blue = Disaster!
It´s the Red states that keep the USA going, the Blues are nothing but leeches!
California is a socialist diaster area and will soon be in worse shape than Greece but they have their "Socialist Sugar Daddy" in Washington to bail them out, while they are insulting the people that will have to pay for their socialist stupidity. Being hardcore Blue DEMOCRATS means that you never have to say your sorry for the corruption because the propaganda media will never report it, and will provide cover.
During the dust bowl hard working people from Oklahoma migrated to California and were met with derision. I encourage all hard working Californians to emigrate to Red states to survive the new "dust bowl". They will not be met with derision. Only those Californians who want to continue the entitlement mentallity will be turned back.
Welcome to the new world. Calis are the new Okies. Never thought I would see it in my life.
Typical Left Couast Metropolitan thinking. No idea what the REST of the country does for them... I don´t know how I´d make a living in Texas if I immigrated, but I´d do it regardless. Thats a single star I think I could live under.
Blue states are simply more wealthy than red states and it´s often the red states that are having money transferred to them from blue states and not the other way around (see the helpful map in this article http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/08/americas-fiscal-union ). The reason for this is that people in blue states are richer (and thus pay more taxes) and rural infrastructure is expensive to build and maintain relative to the number of people it serves (because people are further part). Bear in mind that there are also plenty of poor people and retired people in red states receiving Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and so on.
Yes, the red states have plenty of natural resources that the blue states don´t have, so what would the blue states do without the red states? The blue states still have quite a bit of farming in states like Pennsylvania and California´s central valley, but the blue states would simply do what the United States alread does because it could affort to. It would buy and import it, if not from the red states then from other countries. The blue states are rich enough that they can afford to buy and import food. Heck, plenty of blue state voters are already buying strange foods produced in foreign countries.
Secession was a bad idea 150 years ago and it´s a bad idea now, It´s not constitutionaly sound (see Articles IV and VI, in particular and apply them to secession), and the "North" (i.e., blue states) would wind up getting the better of the "South" (i.e., red states) for the same reason they did 150 years ago. Like it or not, they are richer and that does matter a great deal.
All of this secession talk isn´t going to amount to anything other than playing into the media´s narrative and making it even harder for conservative ideas to penetrate the rest of America. It not only plays into the narrative that Obama is somehow like Lincoln but also plays into the narrative that conservatives are racist because the last time states seceeded, it was primarily to preserve slavery. If you want to argue that it wasn´t, you can, but I invite you to read the secession declarations, the CSA Constitution, and the claims of various speakers at the time who suggest otherwise, and even if you can make a compelling case that secession 150 years ago was not really about slavery, that is not how the majority of Americans who we need to persuade are going to see it.
(Please note that I am not saying that the majority of the people who fought for the South during the Civil War were fighting for slavery or that slavery was the only reason for secession. I am saying that the state governments seceeded primarily because of slavery, which is not the same thing.)
"Step 2: Cut all entitlement payments. Leeches self deport"
Does this also count famers taking federal subsidies, veterans in VA hospitals, and military personnel on the federal payroll?
This is making Romney´s 47% mistake all over again. The Federal government has been so good at playing Santa Claus that most people don´t even realize how many things they´ve got their "claus" into. Plenty of people who are not deadbeats on welfare have come to depend on federal money including education funding, school lunches, Interstate highways, dams, levies, bridges, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, farm subsidies, research grants, military spendig, and on and on. The money all goes somewhere and eliminating entitlemens is going to be more like untying a large knot than slashing through the jungle with a machete.
Who do the demon crats think will pay the bills. It´s the republicans, dumb nuts! All the states run by liberal communists are bankrupt. California, New York, Illinois, Michigan..they have been run by communists for years. They tax the pea woden out of anyone with money. Detroit is a mess, ever look at pictures of Detroit, MI. I think we should divide the country along the Mississippi, put the military on the Republican side--dims don´t like them anyway. The left can have everything west of Miss. And Repubs. Have everything east. We don´t pay their taxes, they pay their own. I think that is a good plan. San Francisco can be their capital and Obama move out there with em. They get all the Hollywood loons. Guns on the Miss. To keep the looney lobs from sneaking across. What a plan. By the way, that will happen when the Lord returns. He will separate the left from the right. The left will depart into utter damnation.
#14 that´s what I like to hear, you have to bring your own ammo.
The Blue areas of the map have about three day´s of food on the supermarket shelf. Oil and Gas can be cut off immediately from southern refineries. Coal mines will reopen but we will not assist in making electricity that goes north. Union Linemen will no longer be needed because their is no electricity traveling down the lines. Tree huggers in San Francisco will be burning trash for heat and cool. Computers won´t running. Dream. If want to know how the Blue state folks will whether the situation just look at the aftermath of Sandy. Yankees need us a lot more than we need them.
I think all this talk of divorce is intriguing. If offers us hope from the over reaching federal government which shows no sign of controlling its power grab. Contrary to the condescending attitude of the writer towards the South, I´m convinced we would quickly work our way to prosperity.
Won´t Caille be surprised when the Blue States discover they have no food, oil or coal -- just brilliant left-wing intellectuals, entertainers and newscasters, plenty of latte and an entire population demanding free handouts.
What the hell do we have to be grateful to the blue states for? I think any red state can be a powerhouse once the blood-sucking leeches in the entitlement class go running to the blue states for all of their free stuff.
I do not wish for secession, but do wish for more states´ rights, in which states can declare that they are not just right-to-work states, but expectation of work states. You do not settle unless you will not be a burden to the states. That is how America used to be. You did not get in unless you had a job or a sponsor, period. Free stuff for non-citizens needs to be the first thing on the chopping block, and then it is time to wean the citizens off of "entitlements" that were never earned, such as welfare and Medicaid.
I will take a chance on it. For some reason liberals think blue state people will work and share the wealth they create...ha, ha. As for farming in Central Valley Calif., are they still farming there? Isn´t that where the liberals destroyed farming for some fish?
Nearly everyone is looking at economics and demographics. Please look at a map of the states wanting to secede and see if they cut the country into three or four parts with a V in the middle based on the Mississippi River. If the land is split by secession then the flow of goods from NYC to LA either goes by water to Mexico then on, or through Canada. Economics matter as well as demographics. Geography also matters when it comes to movement. Flyover country could literally mean flying over several different countries between NYC and LA. It is all in the details.
Before the seccession starts, there need to be some ground rules. I would propose no federal income tax, no capital gains tax, no corporate tax, no paycheck withholding, and no "employer contributions" . Only taxpayers get to vote. These and other ideas would tempt a lot of people to joint the secession movement.
Secession is the only proven way to extricate your state from an oppressive federal system in todays world. It is not the 1800s anymore, and the federal government in washington dc has supported secession in Georgia, Ukraine and South Sudan which gives the action of secession legal precedance making the argument of illegality or unconstitutionality utterly moot. There is NO prescribed manditory action anymore to proclaim your independance ie. permission or popular vote. Effectively your state governor need only walk into the UN and proclaim your states status as a soverign nation, and all of this thanks to the actions of the US federal governments support of countries like Georgia and Ukraine in their secession from the USSR.
To say that a state can not survive without the monetary support of the federal government is infantile. Your state leaves the union and it automatically does NOT pay out nearly 60% of it´s GDP to the federal government. Lands stolen from the states will be nationalized and returned to the states. If they say that your congressmen voted trillions of debt in your name, remind washington dc that FDR made all congressmen employees of the federal government eliminating your state from contractual liability.
The blue states have all the corporate headquarters, the financial sector, the tourist dollars, and a lot of transportation. Secession seems a lot like whistling in the dark. The red states couldn´t survive.
Keep shooting your mouths off ´progressives,´ events all around you are overwhelming you. Your stupidity is unleashing dogs of war around the world and your pandering policies are destroying the global economies. Those few countries that do have healthy economies won´t be strong enough to survive the coming storm. Look around. You can´t even keep your states above water and you think you will lead the world to a ´new´ age.
Whatever happens, I´m thinking San Francisco may not be the best place to sit this one out.
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